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depending on my research glenn gould has the best technique ever in piano history I don't know if liszt is even superior than him or not because not hear any recording of him. But gould is such a giant if you listen his beethoven and mozart recording or bach chromatic fantasy or well tempered clavier nobody achieved both clarity and incredible velocity at the same time.
After glenn gould there are richter, busoni, rosenthal and hofmann as giants. But nobody achieved the glenn gould level of playing because I think Gould's technique is different than all the other pianists. He used a technique called finger tapping. Which allows him to play at incredible speed with incredible clarity and musicality.
If glenn gould take Liszt seriously and made recording of his b minor sonata or transcendental etudes every other pianist could give off playing piano other day. In some article I read that Rosenthal had a superior technique than Liszt and this approved by the Liszt's own pupil and It is clear that gould is superior than rosenthal in technique and I can't imagine how would they reach to Glenn Gould technique if he were live in 19th century he could easily burned for sorcery. I can clearly say that Glenn Gould is the Paganini of piano not Liszt. I even doubt that Richter had superior technique than Liszt too. I Love Liszt as a composer but I think his technique is exaggerated way too much. Because the non existence of recording he remain mystic on our minds.

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This is quite debatable but I do enjoy listening to Gould. That said, how can one say his technique is better than Rosenthal? The recordings that we have of Rosenthal were done when he was way past his prime and had declined considerably from his days of being a thunderer. It was said that his technique was greater than Liszt and the same for Karl Tausig. Even toward the later half of his life which sadly ended too soon Gould slowed down considerably. No doubt Gould was a genius and even in his early twenties he changed the perception of playing Bach on the piano no small feat.

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Originally Posted by kbrod1
This is quite debatable but I do enjoy listening to Gould. That said, how can one say his technique is better than Rosenthal? The recordings that we have of Rosenthal were done when he was way past his prime and had declined considerably from his days of being a thunderer. It was said that his technique was greater than Liszt and the same for Karl Tausig. Even toward the later half of his life which sadly ended too soon Gould slowed down considerably. No doubt Gould was a genius and even in his early twenties he changed the perception of playing Bach on the piano no small feat.


wish there is a recording of rosenthal at his peak but also there is no recording of gould on chopin etudes



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greatest contrapuntal technique, sure, but I really doubt he had the best technique for virtuosic Liszt type works. Why do you think he didn't play that stuff? Notice how he always had a very hunched-over posture and low hands. With that technique, he wouldn't have been able to produce the energy and power for fast octaves and leaps.

Cziffra was the pianist with the most extreme all-around virtuosic technique.

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pray tell, what is technique?

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For the sake of balance, some would call Gould's technique too "fingery." But, I like him. smile


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I do not know how to define "best technique", but Gould's gestures (technique) seems to be quite natural and reflective of who he is. Everyone's spirit is unique thus their natural artistic expression will also be unique. I wouldn't attempt to duplicate Gould, I just play as myself.

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If by greatest you mean different then I would have to agree. He is my favorite pianist for many reasons, one being that he was much more than a pianist. His sound was quite his own which I think is part of "technique". If by technique you mean playing difficult passages, velocity, dexterity, flexibility, well, there are many, many pianist, some right here on PW that can do those kinds of aerobatics. I don't know what technique means, but he had tons of it.


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Originally Posted by jonnyboy126
pray tell, what is technique?

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I enjoy watching videos of Benno Moiseiwitsch, to me his technique is among the best.


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Originally Posted by preludetr
greatest contrapuntal technique, sure, but I really doubt he had the best technique for virtuosic Liszt type works. Why do you think he didn't play that stuff? Notice how he always had a very hunched-over posture and low hands. With that technique, he wouldn't have been able to produce the energy and power for fast octaves and leaps.

Cziffra was the pianist with the most extreme all-around virtuosic technique.

That's basically what I was going to say.


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Gould, hoffmann, Richter and others you mentioned?

Sorry... they had great techniques, but...

I might have to remind to you a few other names: Argerich, Hamelin, Volodos, Cziffra, Yuja Wang, and, perhaps, Pletnev. (I didn't add Lisitsa because she has nothing but technique. boring.) Those are the greatest technicians of the recorded era. Hoffmann may actually qualify, but not the others.

Some said Thalberg had a greater technique than Liszt. Some said that Tausig and Rozenthal did. Liszt himself said that Alkan had the greatest technique he's ever seen on any pianist.

It's a massive shame that recordings didn't exist back then...

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pray tell, what is technique?

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Originally Posted by jonnyboy126
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Absolutely Gould produced extremely impressive results.

But the physical things he did (techniques?) would pretty quickly injure mere mortals. He had that worn out old chair with most of the seat missing, he sat way too low by conventional standards.

I never much cared for Bach until I heard Gould, but he has to be one of the greatest eccentrics in the history of music.



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Here's an interesting article to add to the discussion:

http://www.pianotechnique.net/artic...ticles/glenn-goulds-piano-technique.html


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Not to hijack the thread, but am I the only one amazed that he sat so low? I probably sit a bit higher than most players, and can't understand how he managed any control from down there. Obviously he did, but it just seems so weird...

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Not to hijack the thread, but am I the only one amazed that he sat so low? I probably sit a bit higher than most players, and can't understand how he managed any control from down there. Obviously he did, but it just seems so weird...

He managed it by lifting his wrists really (relatively) high.


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Gould seemed to pull down the keys, instead of pushing them down. Also his keyboard had an extremely light touch which worked well for baroque music. He really tweaked that piano until it was far different action from most. That chair was pretty strange, one he used until it was way beyond usable.

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Originally Posted by Svenno
It's a massive shame that recordings didn't exist back then...


Same could be said for Penicillin. wink



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Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by Svenno
It's a massive shame that recordings didn't exist back then...


Same could be said for Penicillin. wink



Hey, let's be selfish here. It's true Penicillin would have helped people but all those people would have died anyway. Recordings!


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