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Hi there

A week ago I made a post in the piano forum to ask about buying a 86-year old piano. Since then I have asked my dealer to send me some more detailed pictures of the inside (since the dealer is located pretty far away).

So here's my question (and I know it's probably not very smart to ask this based on pictures but): does this grand on first sight look worthwile to go and have a look at?

As stated before I'm aware of the fact that I'll probably need a technician to come and look at the instrument, but you might be able to see things that I don't. (perhaps something with bigger pins being used?)

Any help is welcome, thanks!

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Pictures seem a bit out of focused. Perhaps by design.

If a 86 year old piano has had nothing done then I would expect you would need to make some restoration. Strings, pins , maybe even pin block. Then you have to worry about the condition of the soundboard and action.

If the dealer is not giving you a full representation of the piano then it's for a reason. When I was shopping I had some dealers give me full information on the piano and based on my expectations some were honest enough to tell me that the certain piano in question was not for me.




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Originally Posted by Miguel Rey
Pictures seem a bit out of focused. Perhaps by design.

If a 86 year old piano has had nothing done then I would expect you would need to make some restoration. Strings, pins , maybe even pin block. Then you have to worry about the condition of the soundboard and action.

If the dealer is not giving you a full representation of the piano then it's for a reason. When I was shopping I had some dealers give me full information on the piano and based on my expectations some were honest enough to tell me that the certain piano in question was not for me.


I forgot to mention that the piano "has been fully revised 30 years ago" ~dixit dealer.


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These photos are junk.

I regularly do preliminary evaluations of pianos by photos and many pianos today are marketed that way. But either the dealer is not knowledgeable about what is needed or is trying to hide something. You need a series of 20 or so photos that show the action out of the piano with hammers down and raised, you need closeups of the bridges and overall photos all around. You need photos of each subject area taken from multiple angles. Closeups need a wide-angle shot to establish context. And, of course, they should be high-definition and in focus.

Typically, really good photos are too large to email, so they need to be hosted on a site like Google Drive, Box, Dropbox or one of the photo sites. When they are downloaded they should be able to fill the screen at their native resolution. They should still be sharp if you zoom in on the computer.

Any opinion offered on the piano based on these photos is no better than the photos themselves.

Hope it works out to get quality photos. This "could" be a nice piano.


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Originally Posted by AdrianR
Originally Posted by Miguel Rey
Pictures seem a bit out of focused. Perhaps by design.

If a 86 year old piano has had nothing done then I would expect you would need to make some restoration. Strings, pins , maybe even pin block. Then you have to worry about the condition of the soundboard and action.

If the dealer is not giving you a full representation of the piano then it's for a reason. When I was shopping I had some dealers give me full information on the piano and based on my expectations some were honest enough to tell me that the certain piano in question was not for me.


I forgot to mention that the piano "has been fully revised 30 years ago" ~dixit dealer.


30 years still a long time & who knows what was done 30 years ago... Just send in a outside tech to take a look if the starting price is cheap enough.




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Today's smartphones take better pictures than these!

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I guess I'd think of the piano as a rebuild core. It probably needs everything. Also, make sure you like the sound of the Grotian. There are some nice concerts played on rebuilt ones on youtube. The sound is not to everyone's taste. Also see the thread "Revenge of the Grotians" from a few years ago on Piano World. If you are buying it as a core, price accordingly.


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Some signs tell me that it will be an ok piano. Sure, you have to count with new parts as hammers, strings, pins, dampers etc. But to me on the first sight the piano looks usable. I can't see any signs of worms/mothes, it is quite clean, no big stains on the strings and board, dampers in position (they look like 30 years old). One can't see the action but usually the action is a mirror of the view you see from above. If you see rust, holes after mothes etc., then the action will be crap. You have a chance. But what is the price for it? Everything has its own price... Hehe.


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