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Finally got around to starting to shop for an acoustic piano. I particularly enjoyed hearing and sorta playing a Schimmel K125 upright. It had such a strong and clear bass register compared to a C120 sitting next to it. Of course it was kinda pricey.

So suddenly on SF craigslist, a couple of used Schimmel grand pianos show up from 2004 and earlier. One is an SP189 and the other is a CC213. Before deciding whether to contact sellers, I was wondering how these compare with the current K and C series?

All I have figured out is that SP = Salon Professional and CC = Concert Chamber... Still to be figured out is how to fit a grand piano in the house.

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I'll reply until Sam likely sees this and clarifies...

The 189 and 213 were generally the same scale and level of quality throughout their history. They eventually became the K series (with a special version called the NWS), and as the current K series uses a concert grand action in all sizes (along with other refinements/changes) is now called the C189/213.

If you like the current Schimmel feel and sound and were shopping for that size, I'd absolutely consider the used 189 and 213 options against new ones.


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I started to reply sooner but had customers... wink

Schimmel made 2 different model 213's in rapid succession. The first CC213 replaced the CC208. Both were excellent, but the K213 was much wider and heavier, and became the basis for the 3 smaller Konzert series grands (originally K169, K189, K213).

I believe the first of those K213 were still called CC213 (meaning, you'd have to see it or provide photos) because the Konzert line was still in development. The SP182 was replaced by the K189, but some of the first may have been called SP189. I do not recall an SP189 because it was introduced after the K213 & K169.

If either are the early Konzert K213 or K189 by design, the SP189 would be somewhere in between the current K195 and the C189; the CC213 would be between the current K219 and C213 in terms of quality and design. There were some important later design changes, but the build quality of the Schimmel grands in the early 2000's wasn't tiered by series, it was all same top build quality.


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I liked the Schimmel's from this time period. Before the action change over, I thought that the older action worked a bit better for the smaller pianos in this series.


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