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I am considering purchasing a Seiler ED-186 and would really like to hear from other buyers who either purchased this model or considered it during their search for a piano. If you purchased one, what factors swayed your decision? If you did not purchase one, what did you purchase instead - and why? Any information would be greatly appreciated!

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I have played a few in the last few years. If you like the German Seiler sound (I find it rather distinct), a good ED 186 (a copy of the German SE186) looks and sounds an awful like it's more expensive sibling. The Piano Buyer brand profile talks about the distinctions in some details between models.

In my case, I wasn't shopping that market segment at that time, I was looking at more expensive models in roughly that size range.


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Hi, all. I wanted to post an update on my decision-making saga in the event that someone else is considering the Seiler ED 186. After much online research and test playing and dithering over spending more money than I had originally intended, I chose the Seiler ED 186. It was delivered yesterday and I'm in love. Everything about this piano is perfect for me - the tone, the touch - everything. I couldn't be happier.

I also want to thank all of those who have posted on this board with information, opinions, or advice. It gave me much to think about. And I want to specifically send many thanks to terminaldegree, whom I contacted through the messaging feature, for providing extensive expert guidance with incredible patience. This guidance was invaluable to me as I negotiated through the process of selection.

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Congratulations on your piano find! Thanks for letting us know.


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Congrats. I just got a Seiler ED126 and couldn't be happier. I really like the Seiler sound. Was not what I thought I wanted when I first started looking. Worked out great in the end.


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Congrats on your ED 126! I too love the Seiler sound. If I hadn't determined to "extend my budget," I would have bought a Seiler upright. Once that sound got in my head, it just seemed to haunt me until I made my final decision. A sure sign this was the piano for me, I guess. Nice to hear from a fellow Seiler owner!

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Hi soundfiber
I'm in the market for a seiler ed, probably a 168 as my dealer has it in stock. I'd prefer the 186 but it's a bit out of my budget. Can I ask how much you paid for it?

Did you buy one you played in the store or did you have a new one shipped?
I find the upper middle register to be a little bright, especially the e5, but it might just be the strange acoustics in the piano shop.

Did you play the 168 by chance?

Thanks for any feedback--I'm very close to pulling the trigger and just can't find much information online.

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I find the upper middle register to be a little bright, especially the e5, but it might just be the strange acoustics in the piano shop.
I would ask the dealer if he can adjust the tone in that register and on the particular note. I would ask him to first minimally voice a few notes and see how those sound(you don't want him to go too far in the other direction). You could even ask to be present while the tech adjusts the tone so you could give input about your preferences.

By doing the above before you buy, there is a greater guarantee you will fully like the tone after you purchase the piano.

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I asked the dealer about that and he said it would risk it just needing to be voiced again, as it's in a huge, high ceiling concrete space, and will need different voicing once in our smallish low ceiling hardwood floor living room. Should I insist on this anyhow? They have a 168 in stock which should be good enough for my smaller room, but I am tempted to get the 186, which is not in stock. I had a bad experience with this when I bought a yus5 upright 4 years ago--the one I got was not the one I had played and I had to spend a lot of money on voicing and tuning to bring it up to my liking.
I should be able to negotiate better with the in-stock piano as well.

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I asked the dealer about that and he said it would risk it just needing to be voiced again, as it's in a huge, high ceiling concrete space, and will need different voicing once in our smallish low ceiling hardwood floor living room. Should I insist on this anyhow?
While it's true that it could sound different in your home, I think it's best to try and getting it sounding as close to your preference before you buy it. This wouldn't guarantee it can be voiced exactly to your liking in your home, but I think it's better than not doing anything before you buy it. Or get the dealer to agree in writing that if you don't like the sound after voicing in your home, he will refund your payment.

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It is reasonable to expect the grand to benefit and perhaps need significant voicing in your space. When addressing one note or a couple of notes, its easiest if you can sit with the technician as they voice it down. Maybe you can arrange to come when the tech is available and sit with them. This is how it would be in your home, and it would go a long way to give you confidence in your purchase.

That said, if you like the ED168 and are considering the ED186, I think you'll be very happy with the larger size. It very consistently builds upon the strengths of the smaller ED168.

Given your past experience with the YUS5, while no one likes to go to extra expense, you could handle this next purchase either way...either make a good faith purchase to include prep and in-home voicing OR set whatever terms are necessary for the dealer to bring in, let you evaluate and voice to your preference in the store before delivery. I suggest discussing the in-home voicing process with your dealer and have a clear understanding of what is expected as this is how most orders are placed for pianos not kept in stock.


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