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I saw this when I was inspecting a new grand piano that I considered buying. I called off the deal because I was not sure how serious the problem was. Can you tell me if this crack is a serious problem?

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Yes, it is.


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Yes, it does.


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Not only is it a bridge crack, but a pretty nasty one. The good thing is that it is on the very upper-most treble notes that are rarely played. The bad part is that it will only get worse, and other parts of the bridge may be vulnerable to the same issue.

The reason? Improper seasoning of the wood bridge? Improper installation of the bridge-pins? Who knows...

It can be repaired (or bridge replaced), but I wouldn't pay the going street price for the piano...

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Yes. What brand is it and how old is it?


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It is a Weber W150 made by Yang Chang and it is new.

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Originally Posted by Pneuma
It is a Weber W150 made by Yang Chang and it is new.
The dealer should send the piano back to the manufacturer.


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Actually, the dealer should just junk it and have the manufacturer replace it. Maybe one of the techs would want the action and other parts.


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The wood appears to be flat-sawn rather than quarter-sawn. The bridge pin stagger does not appear to be excessive. VERDICT: Improper grain orientation and possible weak wood sample.


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Actually, the dealer should just junk it and have the manufacturer replace it. Maybe one of the techs would want the action and other parts.


Based on my experiences with this particular dealer, I believe this piano will eventually be sold to a less informed customer. I looked at the manufacture date on a label under the piano and it was manufactured 2 years ago. That means the piano has probably sat on the dealer's floor for a long time and he has done nothing. When I visited the store, the piano was just tuned a few days ago and I can't image a tuner not noticing the problem.

By the way, how would a bridge crack like this affect the piano in turns of sound and touch?

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It should have no effect on the touch, but those notes will not stay in tune and eventually lose any semblance of tone.


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What did the dealer say when you pointed this out?

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He said he will look into it.

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Reminds me of when a large sink hole appeared in Manchester. There was a headline that council workmen were looking into it.

No reputable dealer should sell that piano in that condition without warning the purchaser. If it is a bad piece of wood, for whatever reason, there could well be other problems later.


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No reputable dealer should sell that piano at all. The manufacturer should replace it.


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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
The wood appears to be flat-sawn rather than quarter-sawn. The bridge pin stagger does not appear to be excessive.


I cannot tell whether or not the wood is quarter sawn from this photo Ed, but I would be very surprised of it was not.

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VERDICT: Improper grain orientation and possible weak wood sample.


Yep. I totally agree with that.

If the bridge is otherwise sound, this could be repaired by unstringing and replacing this very small section of the treble bridge. It may only need a new cap. If the dealer sent this same photo to Weber, I am certain they would authorize such a repair.


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The dealer should return the piano to the maker, who will likely re-sell it as B stock to another dealer. Perhaps this is already B stock from the maker to the current dealer? It is repairable, but reduces the value of the instrument, even if properly repaired.



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O believe it is flat-sawn because you don't see any relatively straight and closely spaced grain lines running parallel with the line of the bridge. You see very few grain lines far apart and very wavy in the picture.


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Wouldn't the person who buys this find out after the first tuning, and then immediately make a warranty claim? I don't understand how the dealer didn't know about it already and fix it after a minimal prep and tuning upon arrival?


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Wouldn't the person who buys this find out after the first tuning, and then immediately make a warranty claim? I don't understand how the dealer didn't know about it already and fix it after a minimal prep and tuning upon arrival?


My guess is that the dealer will wait until someone to purchase it and make the claim. At that time, the dealer will send a technician to repair it and charge it to Young Chang/Weber. That way, the dealer can sell it for the price of a new piano and the repair won't cost him a dime.

Another trivia information is that the dealer requires his customers to use his tuner for the first two tuning (the dealer pays 50% of each tuning). Since the tuner also tunes the piano in the dealer's floor, he must be aware of the problem. Maybe they are working together, I don't know. I checked the name of the tuner and he was not a member of the PTG.

How do I know all this? Because I actually purchased another piano from this dealer and after delivery I found problems with the finish. The dealer was very slow and reluctant to respond to my inquiries. Finally, a piano finish specialist came and inspected my piano, and his conclusion was that the piano needs a total refinish. He recommended I get a replacement since I purchased it anew. The dealer, however, tried everything to delay the process and eventually I lost any confidence in this dealer and I asked him for a refund. He then just ignored any communication attempts from me for 2 weeks until I threatened to report him to BBB and other online reviewing sites. Within 24 hours, I got my money back and he had his piano. I am done with this dealer and I will not have anything to do with him anymore.

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