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Originally Posted by Brian Lucas

Agree. Most people who complain about playing to a metronome do so because they lack a solid sense of time. (I know because I used to be one of them. smile )


I disagree. I might agree if you say "most beginners who complain about playing to a metronome..."

Ask any intermediate, advanced and professional pianists whether they play/practise using a metronome. I doubt you can say most, and I doubt you can claim that they lack solid sense of time/rhythm.



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The best way to use a metronome is to sit in a chair - away from the piano - and work with the music by audiating it at different tempo speeds.

Everyone I know who has done this, after a short time, realizes the music is in you mind not in your hands, and finds playing along with the metronome a waste of time. Try it, and then let me know -


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Originally Posted by DakarDave

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If you asked me a year ago, I would have said that "I'm an adult learner, so I'm not trying to be a concert pianist.. I just want to play it so I'm happy with it"

Its funny as you learn more the piano, you stop being happy how you really start to develop a desire to want to play it "correctly" smile


+1.

As your musicianship develops, you find that "playing it so you're happy with it" becomes the same as "playing it _right_."



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I finally had a listen to your recording, even if I'm not sure I have much to say as a fellow self-taught adult beginner. It sounds very peculiar to me, as it was played on a guitar, and it's quite fascinating, but so very different from the way it's written, extremely irregular and pretty weird, if I may say so.

Some interpretation is unavoidable and even desirable, but I am firmly convinced that we need to be extremely faithful to the sheet music for a long time, especially when we don't have a teacher listening and correcting. The paper is your teacher, you have to learn how to read and understand every detail of the written music, and then find the best way to turn it into sound. It's a puzzle you need to solve, provided you have the proper tools (which you can learn by gradually going from easy to harder material). Listening to other people's recordings (not by other beginners, by actual pianists) while reading the music is also extremely useful. We adults have our own ideas about the way things should be, but we need to be extremely humble here and just listen, most of the time. To others and to ourselves.

No offence intended, but with a post like this, you're kind of asking to receive the "get a teacher" comment wink

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Originally Posted by sinophilia

No offence intended, but with a post like this, you're kind of asking to receive the "get a teacher" comment wink


No Offence taken. This is exactly what I was looking for. I'm glad to have this forum to "go to" to get advice, and all of the constructive feedback has helped me target my practice.

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may I ask how long have you been playing piano and how long have you spent playing this piece?

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Originally Posted by DakarDave
Originally Posted by sinophilia

No offence intended, but with a post like this, you're kind of asking to receive the "get a teacher" comment wink


No Offence taken. This is exactly what I was looking for. I'm glad to have this forum to "go to" to get advice, and all of the constructive feedback has helped me target my practice.

Thanks everyone!

Get a teacher.

















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Seriously, though. Get a teacher.


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Originally Posted by Tubbie0075
Originally Posted by Brian Lucas

Agree. Most people who complain about playing to a metronome do so because they lack a solid sense of time. (I know because I used to be one of them. smile )


I disagree. I might agree if you say "most beginners who complain about playing to a metronome..."

Ask any intermediate, advanced and professional pianists whether they play/practise using a metronome. I doubt you can say most, and I doubt you can claim that they lack solid sense of time/rhythm.


I learned with a metronome as a kid, but stopped using it. It wasn't until college where a professor made me play to it. I hated it, but because my sense of time wasn't solid. I wasn't a beginner, but still needed to solidify my sense of time. I'm very grateful he pushed me to do it.

Now, I play to click all the time, both in the studio and often live as well. I would say that a lot, if not most non-classical music is played this way, especially in the studio. The players I encounter that complain about playing to click are usually those who have a weak sense of time. And if I meet a drummer who doesn't like playing to click, he's usually not working too much. But I come across tons of people who play music for a living that don't have a solid sense of time and complain about having to play to a metronome click.

Just my personal experience. I know those in the classical world may have different feelings about it.


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