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Hey,

So I recently got a Steinway Model K. It's beautiful and I lubs it. I should state first off, in case it affects the answers, this was delivered 3 weeks ago from London to Czech Republic and then moved up 5 flights of stairs. The front action was taken out to move it up the stairs. It has not since been tuned or regulated.

Anyway, I have noticed a little quirk. There is a certain point in the travel of the damper pedal where if I hit that point while depressing a key at the same time it sort of hinders the note and makes it die out. It almost feels like before that point there is sort of half pedalling, at that point is acts as a damper and after there is the full effect. Is this just a quirk of an upright action? Is this something I should have looked at? Or am i imagining things ? grin

Any advice appreciated.

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Sounds about right.

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I'm not sure exactly what you are describing. It sounds like you are describing the normal effect of the dampers progressively engaging with the strings, which is similar on uprights and grands. Are you used to the way the pedal works on a particular piano, and notice that yours is different?

If the dampers are in good shape and properly regulated, you should be able to make the end of the sound less abrupt, with a short diminuendo, by playing a chord with the pedal held down, then slowly releasing the pedal. Does this work?

In any case, now that you've had the piano a few weeks, it's time to have it tuned. See what the tuner says about the dampers.


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+1, I am also puzzled with your description

if you press the damperpedal such that the dampers still but barely hit the strings, they are indeed half-damped. You can also get twangy sounds, or short-sustaining notes. You can also hear this effect if you releas the dampers very slowly. The twangy sounds can be minimized with proper adjustment of the dampers.


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Just to be clear this is on the way down, not upon releasing and maybe to describe it better it's almost like it goes full damper, half damper, full damper, full open. That is journeying from no pedal to pedal. I guess I should just have it looked at. To be honest I may be feeling it wrong and I will try experimenting with positions to confirm. Also, it is not actually a problem it just forces me to be more careful which is a good thing.

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Just to be clear this is on the way down, not upon releasing and maybe to describe it better it's almost like it goes full damper, half damper, full damper, full open. That is journeying from no pedal to pedal. I guess I should just have it looked at. To be honest I may be feeling it wrong and I will try experimenting with positions to confirm. Also, it is not actually a problem it just forces me to be more careful which is a good thing.


It shouldn't be working like that. That doesn't only force you to be more careful, it means that subtle pedalling tricks such as flutter pedalling become horribly hard to control.

It should be simply that the lower the pedal, the further the dampers are from the strings. Get a tech to take a look at it.


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Just to be clear this is on the way down, not upon releasing and maybe to describe it better it's almost like it goes full damper, half damper, full damper, full open. That is journeying from no pedal to pedal. I guess I should just have it looked at. To be honest I may be feeling it wrong and I will try experimenting with positions to confirm. Also, it is not actually a problem it just forces me to be more careful which is a good thing.


It shouldn't be working like that. That doesn't only force you to be more careful, it means that subtle pedalling tricks such as flutter pedalling become horribly hard to control.

It should be simply that the lower the pedal, the further the dampers are from the strings. Get a tech to take a look at it.


OK great. Will do.

I am away from the piano at the moment but it has occured to me that perhaps my perception of this is due to the damper needing regulated and being set differently for different notes currently. That would make sense actually as if I play C first and progress the pedal as I move to say D and the D chokes it may simply be that the D damper is not set correctly whereas the C is. Ok that sounded confusing but I guess I can check that tonight when I get home.


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The simplest way is to look at how the action works and get familiar with it. It's not that complicated.
Just open the top lid and study how all the dampers are gradually moved forward and away from the strings. They should all move in the same fashion.
E.g if one of them is still engaging one string/s then there is a problem, but that can be adjusted.


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Originally Posted by RaggedKeyPresser

Just open the top lid and study how all the dampers are gradually moved forward and away from the strings.


+1. Watch the dampers as you very slowly press and release the pedal. Is there a place where they move with a bump despite the pedal moving very smoothly and gradually? If so, follow all the moving parts, watch where they connect to each other, and see if there's an interface that's causing the bump.



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