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Originally Posted by debussychopin
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A number of years ago I put a ton of work into Chopin's etude 10.3. I got it to the point I could play it all the way through but never...never... got it to where I could play some of those ascending and descending broken chords well. It always sounded like a train wreck. I've always loved the opening page of the piece, it just has to be one of the most lovely passages of all time, and returned to it last week (I think I can play it pretty well). But, the rest of it is still a train wreck. It's always so interesting to see how I can return to a piece and, being a terrible reader, will have to allow my subconscious take over to play it. It's almost like I have to sit back and watch this other person play just so "I" can figure out what I'm reading. I have gotten through the piece, again, mostly using my muscle memory or whatever it is, and now may try to see what I can do with the train wreck.

I hear you. I love this etude. It is the first one I learned and reason being someone or some people said it was the easiest Chopin etude to learn... what!? not even close.



first of all, the outer melodic parts of the etude are hard in the fact you have to voice it correctly . you cant just play the notes. it doesnt work. I remember for a long time I couldnt figure out why my playing of that part never sounded like in the recordings i heard. ( i was thinking, is the one I learned a simplified version>?) i found later through my friend (piano teacher a s well) told me I was not voicing anything. (this was years ago).

second, that middle section one needs ton of technique. it is harder than the whole of other etudes I feel. I still cannot get it right mine sound like a train wreck too. and that is after properly learning how to go about it.

so my point is, kudos to you for learning this etude. and being honest about it. Tons of people here and other forums say how easy it is. very dishonest. ok let me hear you then. you know what i mean?



I got somewhat intimidated by the middle part as well, I only learned the beginning then gave up on it to learn the schubert impromptu smile I might go back and attempt the middle part later.

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I've been playing Beethoven's Sonata in G Op.49, No.2 the first 3 pages.
Possibly one of the easiest of his to learn.
At the end of the first 3 pages there is a repeat sign, so back to the beginning.
So for now I can play it ad infinitum if I so wish, until I tackle the remaining 10 pages.


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Played Pathetique Sonata Movement 1 today. Was definitely out of practice but did OK. It took a long time for me to learn it as it is 7 or so pages. The passages with the eighth note octaves in the left hand and crazy right hand (2nd page on most sheets) require the metronome to get right. I was baffled at how to play it at full speed until I started really slow with the metronome and gradually worked my way up to full speed. It took a long time to get (almost) right, but totally worth it.


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After technical works and exam pieces, I'm taking break and relearning Beetle's Michelle, and Love Story, Richard Clayderman's version :-P


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Originally Posted by RaggedKeyPresser
I've been playing Beethoven's Sonata in G Op.49, No.2 the first 3 pages.
Possibly one of the easiest of his to learn.
At the end of the first 3 pages there is a repeat sign, so back to the beginning.
So for now I can play it ad infinitum if I so wish, until I tackle the remaining 10 pages.


Good luck RaggedKeyPresser,......make a kind of loop...... grin.....

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Originally Posted by LessonsOTW
Played Pathetique Sonata Movement 1 today. Was definitely out of practice but did OK. It took a long time for me to learn it as it is 7 or so pages. The passages with the eighth note octaves in the left hand and crazy right hand (2nd page on most sheets) require the metronome to get right. I was baffled at how to play it at full speed until I started really slow with the metronome and gradually worked my way up to full speed. It took a long time to get (almost) right, but totally worth it.


LessonsOTW,

Nice.....good idea thumb ...I played it last time for about one year ago......

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2, 3 & 4 August

Just playing and studying the Sonatas of Haydn, so nice..... 3hearts

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Originally Posted by Johan B
2, 3 & 4 August

Just playing and studying the Sonatas of Haydn, so nice..... 3hearts

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Had to be:...........2, 3 & 4 September.....of course ( oeps )

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5 September

Life is so boring........ grin grin grin

Sonatas of Mozart in the afternoon...... 3hearts
Sonatas of Haydn in the evening......... 3hearts

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I'm quoting another member, Joe80, who was responding to a recording of the Caprice from Bach's Partita #2, a very difficult piece. The section about slow practice is very revealing. This from a very fine pianist!! bolding mine.

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You know something, I think the older take, take 2, is better. The breathing spaces have to be calculated in Bach, and are there because of the placement of the upbeats. In this movement, a lot of the up-beats are the last three semi-quavers before a downbeat. Think about it from that point of view and see what happens. Go back to very slow practice. In my experience, practising incredibly slowly is one of the most efficient ways to increase tempo, but use very small hand movements, minimum amount of movement necessary, and practise it pianissimo, feeling the balance of each key, and in very small sections.



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Originally Posted by Forrest Halford
I'm quoting another member, Joe80, who was responding to a recording of the Caprice from Bach's Partita #2, a very difficult piece. The section about slow practice is very revealing. This from a very fine pianist!! bolding mine.

Originally Posted by joe80
You know something, I think the older take, take 2, is better. The breathing spaces have to be calculated in Bach, and are there because of the placement of the upbeats. In this movement, a lot of the up-beats are the last three semi-quavers before a downbeat. Think about it from that point of view and see what happens. Go back to very slow practice. In my experience, practising incredibly slowly is one of the most efficient ways to increase tempo, but use very small hand movements, minimum amount of movement necessary, and practise it pianissimo, feeling the balance of each key, and in very small sections.



Thanks Forrest (and joe) for this practice tip. Will give it a try today. I'm not sure what 'feeling the balance of each key' means, unless it is to make sure your fingers are solidly on each key?

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6 September

Played a lot of Haydn Sonatas, and also......Suites of Georg Böhm
Böhm, Suites page 28
Nice baroque music..... 3hearts

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Playing and studying Haydn, Haydn, Haydn and Haydn......Sonatas.....for about four hours.... 3hearts

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The last few days, going through a lot of Carl Czerny exercises.


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Originally Posted by RaggedKeyPresser
The last few days, going through a lot of Carl Czerny exercises.


RaggedKeyPresser,

Czerny......good for the fingers and velocity..... thumb thumb

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8, 9 & 10 September

Playing Haydn Sonatas........and a lot of organ literature, Bach, Händel, Böhm, Zipoli, Lefébure and others........preparing for my annual performance during 'Open monumentendag', 12 September, every year one day opening of monumental churches in the Netherlands.

Open monumentendag 12 September 2015
H.Sint Willibrorduskerk, Kloosterburen-The Netherlands 3hearts

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Thanks, Johan B.
I really find them interesting and pedagogical to work on.
If I manage to stick with them, my playing should rise to a new level.

And beautiful churches you have over there!
Good luck with your annual performance.


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Working on Satie's Gnossienne #6. It is so weird and out in left field that Im really starting to like it. I played the 7th at a recital to a luke warm audience (One friend said it sounded like Satie was tuning his piano) and I'm guessing this one will meet an even more tepid response.

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Originally Posted by Johan B
8, 9 & 10 September

Playing Haydn Sonatas........and a lot of organ literature, Bach, Händel, Böhm, Zipoli, Lefébure and others........preparing for my annual performance during 'Open monumentendag', 12 September, every year one day opening of monumental churches in the Netherlands.

Open monumentendag 12 September 2015
H.Sint Willibrorduskerk, Kloosterburen-The Netherlands 3hearts

Best regards,
Johan B



11 September

Last 'finishing touch' for my annual performance.....12 September 10.00-17.00h.....at 'Open monumentendag' St.Willibrorduschurch - Kloosterburen - The Netherlands
Adema-organ, H.Willibrorduschurch

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12 September

At my afternoon performance during 'Open monumentendag' some sixty visitors enjoyed Bach, Böhm, Pachelbel, Händel and Lefébure. Among them even five people from Sweden and a couple from Richmond-Texas. In the morning only five visitors were in the church. Had a nice day, playing the beautifull organ and also talking about the organ and music with visitors who came up to keyboard.......

Tomorrow just playing piano at home......perhaps some Haydn-Sonatas, grin grin... my favourites these days....

Adema organ at H.Willibrorduschurch, Kloosterburen-The Netherlands 3hearts

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