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There are several reports of poor build quality and missing quality assurance for Kawai MP7 / MP11.
Return the MP7 and get another one. If you bought it in a music store, then test the replacement unit in the store. Be aware, if you send it in for repair, it might be gone for some time.
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Sounds like a dodgy power button. Possible return.
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Not sure as I'm still waiting on my MP7, but the first thing I would try is using a different power cord. If that doesn't work I would be contacting the store you bought it from or the Kawai dealer for your country. Good luck!
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She is turning on and off perfectly now. Maybe there was an odd bit floating around and that dislodged when I tilted her up. Soon I have to move her to her permanent spot in my son's room. If she still works after that move she will stay but if the issue returns before that back she goes. Fingers crossed!
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I did try a different power cord. Not the issue as wasn't working with that one either. Then I move her around and out her back on the stand and used the original cord through the same outlet I started and working perfectly. It is heaven to finally have an excellent DP in the house. Instruments don't make you a better musician, but a better instrument seems to inspire.
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Glad to hear it's working! Hopefully it stays that way. Eagerly awaiting the arrival of mine (though the MP6 I have on loan from the store isn't too bad either)! Certainly agree with quality instruments inspiring you as you play. Has happened many a time for me
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Thanks. Hope you don't have to wait much longer!
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I have an MP7 along with a new iMac (Yosemite, Quad Core 3.5 GHz Intel "Core i7", 7200 rpm drive, 24 GB RAM). I have been messing with Midi for the first time since buying the Mac and MP7. I plan on purchasing Logic, but in the meantime have been using GarageBand since it is supplied with the Mac. I also have a Metric Halo ULN-8 as my interface that I have the Midi going into. I am relatively new to piano, as well as using DAWs/recording, but am not new to music and I have a few questions. 1) After playing for a short while, I will get a note or two that sustain on their own. I have noticed this happen specifically with the Steinway Grand sound in Garage Band. The note will continue to sustain as if I was holding down the foot pedal on that note. The problem won't fix itself and I completely have to restart Garage Band/Metric Halo. I haven't tried restarting each of them individually to see if that corrects it; however, turning the piano off does not correct the issue. This problem reoccurs consistently, and each time it happens, it is not always the same note or pair of notes. Has anyone experienced something similar while using MIDI/DAW? I have also not tried connecting directly to the computer via USB. 2) I have also noticed a slight delay while playing. I understand latency issues may occur, and maybe I am being picky, but it is distracting enough to affect my playing. I want to be able to use DAWs/plugins, but playing the piano on its own is much more enjoyable at this point. I am a bit frustrated that there is even a small amount of latency after spending quite a bit of money. I am not certain I provided enough info, and still need to experiment and do more research, but any suggestions are welcome.
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Hi dwdrummr1,
Not sure what might be causing the first issue. Possibly some note commands within Garageband itself. I mainly work within Logic and its a far better platform to use. Please try restarting both Garageband and the Metric Halo individually to see if you can narrow down the issue.
As to problem number 2, I would recommend using a USB cable from the MP7 to the iMac for MIDI rather than using the MIDI ports on the Metric Halo. I believe USB MIDI is faster (not 100% on this), but it certainly removes an intermediate step in the signal chain by going direct to the computer rather than being routed through the interface first.
My main live performance rig is using a DP with USB MIDI controlling sample library pianos in Mainstage and audio running out of a MOTU 828MK3 interface and I don't have any major latency issues running it this way.
Hopefully some of this helps!
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Plain MIDI link is a slow link, but the baudrate is enough to exhange an event in 1ms. Then the difference between a direct USB link and the use of a USB/MIDI cable should not be important.
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With regard to 1) it is the only SW glitch I experienced on my MP7 (latest SW available). Just one note started playing with sustain on its own, all others were OK. At the time I did not have anything connected to MIDI but I was using main and sub patch. It kept doing it even after changing sounds (from brass to piano, electric piano etc), and same after disabling the sub so I thought that it was the keybed but it fixed itself after a power cycle. Never experienced it again, I don't play multiple sounds very often.
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Had to call the reseller then call Kawai US today. Hope to get her to an authorized repair center soon.
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Good news! Unexpectedly received a call from the music store today to let me know my MP7 had arrived! As I wasn't expecting it to arrive for another couple of weeks it was a very nice surprise indeed! Picked it up and returned the MP6 I had borrowed and had a good play on it after setting it up this afternoon. A very happy man am I! As James predicted, the quality (both sound and feel) change from the MP6 to the MP7 was immediately noticeable and massive! The MP7 feels even better than the MP6 and sounds much better as well. From the short time I've spent playing it, I'm really happy that I went with the MP7 over the CP4 (which I got a chance to play the other week). I also much prefer the look of the MP7 to the MP6 (and CP4), it's a very handsome instrument indeed! Special mention to the Tenor Sax Growl and Overblown Flute patches, very cool sounds that I've not heard before in a stage piano or workstation.
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Good news! Unexpectedly received a call from the music store today to let me know my MP7 had arrived! As I wasn't expecting it to arrive for another couple of weeks it was a very nice surprise indeed! Picked it up and returned the MP6 I had borrowed and had a good play on it after setting it up this afternoon. A very happy man am I! As James predicted, the quality (both sound and feel) change from the MP6 to the MP7 was immediately noticeable and massive! The MP7 feels even better than the MP6 and sounds much better as well. From the short time I've spent playing it, I'm really happy that I went with the MP7 over the CP4 (which I got a chance to play the other week). I also much prefer the look of the MP7 to the MP6 (and CP4), it's a very handsome instrument indeed! Special mention to the Tenor Sax Growl and Overblown Flute patches, very cool sounds that I've not heard before in a stage piano or workstation. Nice! I've been pondering whether to get a MP7 myself. I have never had the chance to spend a decent amount of time on one to get an idea of its pianistic abilities. Does it get tiring to play serious piano pieces on it? I'm hesitant to spend too much money, but I'm wondering whether I should be getting the MP11 just for the action. I don't want to mess up my piano technique by playing too long on an action that is more work. What are your thoughts on this, Stellvia? I love the variety of sounds on the MP7 - that's a real plus over the MP11.
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Hey ando, I don't do a huge amount of classical playing these days (I'm a composer by profession, grew up learning classical piano) and a lot of what I play/write falls into the prog rock genres The action in the MP7 is quite nice, good amount of weight to it, but I haven't played it long enough to find out if it gets fatiguing. The stuff I do play is fairly energetic and I didn't have too much problems with the MP6 while I had it. It's a big step up from the Korg SV1 I previously had, and as I don't get to practice on acoustics as much as I'd like, I'm a little out of practice on a decent weighted instrument. The MP7 does feel great under the fingers, much more piano like in its response than my previous instruments (and the main reason I upgraded). I haven't played the MP11 (no one has them in stock and my MP7 was the sole one that came to the store), but I had a quick feel of the MP10 they had which has a similar action. To me, the actions between the MP7 and the MP11/10 feel quite different (as they should), the MP10 being maybe a shade lighter (though not by much), but the pivot of the action feels different to me. Quite hard to describe, so definitely worth trying out in person if you can. Onboard sounds on the MP7 sound pretty good, however, a lot of the time I'll be using the MP7 as controller for a laptop Mainstage rig (with Ravenscroft and Alicia Keys pianos) so I wasn't super concerned about the quality. That being said, the sounds of the MP series are definitely up there with the other big manufacturers. Perfectly fine for everyday practicing and piano engine is quite tweakable from having a quick play. The MP11 is mainly missing the tonewheel engine and the variety of extra sounds, and is quite a bit heavier, which ruled it our for me as I need my piano to be portable for band practices and gigs. Hope this helps!
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To me, the actions between the MP7 and the MP11/10 feel quite different (as they should), the MP10 being maybe a shade lighter (though not by much) To me, the MP7 action feels much lighter than the MP10. (I haven't played the MP11, but from what I've read here, I expect it would feel lighter than the MP10.)
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Thanks Stellvia, that's very helpful information. I guess I need to find an opportunity to sit down and bash away at the MP7 for an hour or so - that should give me an idea of whether it will get tiring. I'm also interested in the controller capabilities of the MP7, so in that respect, I really hope I do like the action. Did you get a good price on yours? I'm a prog-rocker too, btw! Cheers.
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If you are really going for "pianistic" practice, I'd go with the MP11, CA65 or CLP-575 - or directly for a proper accoustic.
I have been practicing with the MP7 at an intermediate level for 6 months now and start to feel its limitations, e.g. some clicky noise is getting louder slowly. Probably it needs some lubrication. Nevertheless the RH2 keyboard action is still a good one.
Stelliva, Which monitor speakers or headphones are you using with your MP7?
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No worries ando! Keyboard feel is a pretty subjective thing, each to their own! I'm pretty used to switching between synth, organ and piano keybeds, but I appreciate a good piano as much as any other player. The MP7 is meant to be pretty good controller wise, though most of the control for me is done by Mainstage. Got mine for $1995AUD, my store was happy to match a sale price from a store over east, which was rather nice them, and it's a heck of a lot of keyboard for 2K (this is from someone who bought a Moog Voyager last year)! Wicked, Australia needs more prog rock keyboard players, and proggers in general!!! lophiyomys - Using EMES Pink TV's and Yamaha HS-80's for monitors, and a really nice new pair of Yamaha MT-220 headphones.
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Stellvia, glad to hear that you've received your MP7 early, and that you're enjoying the new board.
Keep your eyes peeled for a new software update, which I hope to be able to upload before the end of the week (fingers crossed).
Cheers, James x
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