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I could upgrade for free from, say, the Ritmüller GH148R to the Kawai GE-30


Not sure if this an "upgrade"

Without playing any of the [differently sized] pianos, it will remain a wild card - at best.

Piano Buyer indicating pianos being in [slightly] different categories.

Notwithstanding size, calling anything "up-grade" may be a stretch.

Here's someone who had looked at a similar situation before:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...muller_from_Heritage_Pi.html#Post1777783

Nothing against calling another make "upgrade" but better play the pianos before deciding on term...

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A pricewise upgrade. It was just an example of something commonly available on all markets that costs more than the Ritmüller on all markets.


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A pricewise upgrade. It was just an example of something commonly available on all markets that costs more than the Ritmüller on all markets.


Fully understood.

But in today's market higher price no longer means automatically better quality. That's why it is important to check things on a "case-by-case" basis.

Irritating many dealers with more "traditional makes" but giving at same time incredible opportunity to savvy buyers in today's market.

Disclaimer: we're by no means only dealers offering such 'select' pianos. Increasingly, the whole market *is*.

By no means restricted only to "Consumer Grade" pianos... wink

By the way, why not make a call here to get perhaps more directions:
http://www.pearlriver-europe.de/english/

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Originally Posted by pinkfloydhomer
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http://www.pianobuyer.com/fall14/228.html
http://www.pianobuyer.com/fall14/238.html

there is quite a bit of difference in SMP between the two: GH170R at $15,590, GE-30 at $22,190 ...


The SMPs are only relevant in USA - here in Australia, they're not even worth looking at - some which were much the same SMP were in fact double (or half depending on how you look at it) the other piano, and I suspect in your case it could be the same.

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I know SMPs are not directly usable. But I still would expect that it would say something about the factory price, which shouldn't vary too much whether the dealer is in the US or in Europe. Also, freight from Japan or China to either Europe or the US shouldn't make SMPs vary 100% or more.

I know that many factors play a part here. The piano market isn't very effective or transparent.


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Things have changed a little bit now:

My dealer is taking home a GH148R and a R9 now, to check them out and to sell them to no one specific. That means that I don't have yo buy it sight unseen, it also means that he will probably prep them as well as he normally would for something in his showroom that he is trying to sell.

Good news for me, I can compare these two and the Kawai GE-30 at the same dealer before making a decision.

I just wish he would take home the GH170R (and GH160R) also. He says that maybe he will in the future, but at the moment he wouldn't even get one from Pearl River before April.


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