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Originally Posted by bnolsen
Earlier this week over 2 hours we had a 40F temp drop accompanied by a 60% jump in humidity. Yesterday I brought a tuner with me to piano class and found upper notes as much as 20cents sharp and lower notes 10cents flat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretched_tuning


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thanks jtsn. So I need to find a better way of measuring and expressing the "honkey tonk" sound the steinways are putting out now.

Interesting read on the stretch tuning. The acoustic strings I've played I always set them up to be as close to on pitch as possible all the way up and down the frets.

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Do modern DPs have the facility to be detuned slightly or revoiced so as to sound slightly out, not quite honky tonk but what I call deliciously out of tune? A bit like in this video. I love the tone of this old Bechstein!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOwpGgGqfg


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Originally Posted by LarryShone
Do modern DPs have the facility to be detuned slightly or revoiced so as to sound slightly out, not quite honky tonk but what I call deliciously out of tune? A bit like in this video. I love the tone of this old Bechstein!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOwpGgGqfg


(AFAIK) I know no digital piano able to do this (maybe the V-Piano but not in a easy way?). But Pianoteq software allows very easily with a slider to simulate a custom degree of worn and deterioration of pianos. It's fun to use. At the interface, right over the keyboard you have a slider, where you can choose from mint condition to worn (and hundreds of intermediate states between them...)

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Do modern DPs have the facility to be detuned slightly or revoiced so as to sound slightly out, not quite honky tonk but what I call deliciously out of tune? A bit like in this video. I love the tone of this old Bechstein!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOwpGgGqfg


(AFAIK) I know no digital piano able to do this (maybe the V-Piano but not in a easy way?).

The V-Piano (& Grand) allows you to detune the unison strings very easily - at the turn of the main dial, in fact. From -100 (totally in tune) to +100 (far beyond honky-tonk.....). Or if you just want a 'general' honky-tonk, there's a factory preset called...."Honky-Tonk" grin, which sounds like your typical somewhat-out-of-tune bar upright piano.

You can also choose to detune specific notes, or groups of notes, or....just one note. Again, very easily. Also, you can vary the amount of 'stretch tuning', again with a turn of the dial.


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Sure, I'd expect digital pianos to way outsell acoustics. You can get them for a lot less money. And as mentioned above, a single buyer will often replace a DP with another after some years, whereas acoustics don't get "upgraded" much. I'd also add that many people who buy acoustics *also* buy digitals, because they still want something for silent practice, or something portable, or something with other sounds or fun features to play with. Heck, I have multiple digital pianos myself... but only one acoustic.

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Originally Posted by LarryShone
Do modern DPs have the facility to be detuned slightly or revoiced so as to sound slightly out, not quite honky tonk but what I call deliciously out of tune? A bit like in this video. I love the tone of this old Bechstein!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOwpGgGqfg


Some higher specification DPs allow individual notes to be tuned, if desired. It would take some patience, but I believe this would achieve a 'nicely out of tune' sound.

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Sure, I'd expect digital pianos to way outsell acoustics. You can get them for a lot less money. And as mentioned above, a single buyer will often replace a DP with another after some years, whereas acoustics don't get "upgraded" much. I'd also add that many people who buy acoustics *also* buy digitals, because they still want something for silent practice, or something portable, or something with other sounds or fun features to play with. Heck, I have multiple digital pianos myself... but only one acoustic.

+1. I have multiple digital pianos, but I still have the same acoustic baby grand piano since I was 6 years old!


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Different tools for different purposes.

I'd love to have a new acoustic, but, due to the fact that my house(s) are in the flood-prone zone, I'd rather lift a 40-kg digital upstairs than struggle to raise a 200-kg monster a foot off the ground like I had to when the flood hit Bangkok a few years ago(and may not even escape the water).

Also, it's the ability to play at any hour of the day/night that a digital becomes necessary. Although I live in a detached house, but the sound of an acoustic can travel and disturb the neigbours at 01:00 hr.

And I'm no classical player. So a decent action is just fine for me.

However, if I can afford to have the ideal environment for a new acoustic, even for an upright, I'd certainly get one. Nothing beats the natural sounds of a decent acoustic piano.


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Originally Posted by bennevis
How long will it be before acoustics will be relegated to just one or two main stores, and only in main cities


We are just a few years away from that time, I think. Surely within the next 15-20 years, if not even sooner.

The DPs will improve to the point that it will be near impossible for listeners to tell the difference between DPs and acoustics. And DPs will be much less costly to buy and maintain. At that point, very few will be able to justify buying an acoustic, because their cost will have grown even higher, as there will be far fewer people with the skills necessary to build and service them than has been the case in the past.

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The whole discussion about acoustic versus digital make me laugh........

Of course there is a difference. An acoustic sounds different to a digital. There are: Advantages and disadvantages about both.

But for all nice music depends of which music you play and how you play it. A good pianist will enjoy the listener.

My digital can: Growl, sparkle, dance, mourn, sounds happy etc. It's up to the player if you can move your public. It's the music and its spirit that counts.......

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Johan,

Very well stated.

"My digital can: Growl, sparkle, dance, mourn, sounds happy etc. It's up to the player if you can move your public. It's the music and its spirit that counts......."

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