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#2285134 06/03/14 11:35 AM
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Greetings,
I have been asked to weigh in on the decision for a school to purchase a 1995 Steinway B that has had the disc system dealer installed. The intended use of the piano will be in a small choral hall/concert venue, and it will be moved around a lot on a dolly. The piano is like new.

My concern is about the pedals,(these systems compromise what is arguably one of the best designs in the business), since it would be used by a variety of pianists. The repro system will probably never be used again. $ 40K is not a bad price, I don't think, for a lightly used B, and if it was still in stock condition, I wouldn't be posting this…. Have others seen these modified pianos in heavy use?
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One thing nice about Steinway is that parts are readily available, so that any parts that have been modified could be replaced. If they are not going to use it, take out the player and replace any parts that are problematic.


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Originally Posted by BDB
One thing nice about Steinway is that parts are readily available, so that any parts that have been modified could be replaced. If they are not going to use it, take out the player and replace any parts that are problematic.


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Well, there is a hole about 40" long and 4" wide that goes across where the trap work used to be. I have removed these before and inlaid braces to span the gap, etc. It isn't rocket science, but a fair amount of work to do cleanly. There is also the question of missing half the back-rail.

I haven't seen a system like this used heavily, thus my concern about putting it in a concert venue.

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Given the price why not just chase after one without the system?


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I have experience trying to use a C--like you describe--in a concert setting (i.e., as a secondary rehearsal piano). As far as I have observed, everything seems to be correctable, but there are a few issues that are somewhat irritating. Of particular note was the cutout portion of the keyframe: this made the bedding of the back rail challenging (i.e., it was only bedded at the ends, where nothing had been cut: the middle was more-or-less suspended). Naturally, that was not ideal for a concert setting and needed to be corrected before put into use.

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Take the player out, it's old technology and reconstruct the keybed and back rail.


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Or talk to one of my clients who has a pristine, very low use 1995 B for sale for $40K...needs no messing around, just sit and play. PM and I will give you details if you like.

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Greetings,
I have found that there are other disc equipped pianos out there than are not doing so well in the resale market. In fact, I have found three that would have been sold at the same price if they didn't have the player installed. Is someone selling these "additions" as added value? Seems to be the opposite in those situations I am seeing.

In replacing the original function on an "un-install" I had to bridge the gap with several tie-ins made of Falconwood pin-block material, let into the bottom boards and glued and screwed tight. The hole for the sostenuto had to go in one of them, as well as some of the trap work screws. It allowed the pedals to be returned to original set-up.

So, it was a Steinway, then all this stuff got changed, so it must have been a Steinwas. Then, it was returned to almost original shape, ( how much back rail do you need?), so it might be a Steinback?
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I reconverted a newer B pianodisc a few years ago. I routed out both sides of the keybed to inlay two lengths on spruce that came together somewhere in the middle of the gap. I made them slightly too thick and then removed the excess back to the original surface contours. You really had to look to see the repair. You would not have known it once was a player without looking really carefully.

I also rebuilt the keyframe with a lap joint. Got the stock trap-work from Steinway.

I also have a tuning customer, (older and downsizing) with a pristine 2001 ebony B at $40K.


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IMHO, a player install devalues the piano. Being in the used piano business I encounter this first hand. I could have sold a grand numerous times had the player not been there. I have one customer who bought a new grand and had a player installed by the dealer. They regret it now and are considering having it removed. The dealer will not give them the trapwork (or even ones removed from a new install). That is a pet peeve of mine. The trapwork should be archived with the piano for reversion. It is a disservice to the customer (and piano) to remove valuable parts and discard.

Even when I install a piano on a truck or leg dollies, I archive the casters in a box (DC Humidistat box) and place it on the support plate above the bass leg. Especially true for caster/socket integral units. For verticals placed on trucks, the casters are placed inside in a box on the bottom board.

For the B in the school, the pedals will always be a major problem. The system has been bastardized and it needs to be reverted for performances.


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