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27Jan #2265801 04/23/14 11:31 AM
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I don't like the shape of the RD-700NX, the weird angle on the back makes this overly long, overly bulky, and overly heavy DP that much harder to pick up and tote around. But at least the I/O on the back is angled up and clearly visible. All of the I/O on the RD-800 is angled down, so the weird shape it inherited from the RD-700NX serves no useful purpose (outside of a questionably appealing rakish fashion statement).

Roland, please fire your style guys and switch to an efficient boxy shape for your flagship stage DPs. Sometimes less is more. Form should follow function. Etc.

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"Lol, yeah. Like there will even be one person on the planet who stops playing their R800 because of this warning."

That's precisely the point, after the warning was issued, it's up to the individual to take the "risk" ... but at that point, the corporation is (at least in theory) no longer liable.

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Originally Posted by MiguelAngel07

"Lol, yeah. Like there will even be one person on the planet who stops playing their R800 because of this warning."

That's precisely the point, after the warning was issued, it's up to the individual to take the "risk" ... but at that point, the corporation is (at least in theory) no longer liable.
Not that a person couldn't sue them anyways. It's pretty funny to read stuff like this though.


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Lol sueing corporation for your own stupidity is possible only in the USA.

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It's only funny until the unlikely happens and comes back to bite you ... What if a fire gets started as a result of the shorted circuit?

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It's your faul because of wrong connecting. They for sure have written it in the manual.

Would you sue any carmaker after dropoing the burning match into the feel tank that the car blown up in a second, just because they didn't wrote in the manual "don't throw the burning matches into the open feel tank"?

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Originally Posted by kapelli
Lol sueing corporation for your own stupidity is possible only in the USA.
Can I sue if I spill really hot coffee on my keyboard?


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I fully agree that the situation with lawsuits is completely out of hand in places like the USA ... All lawsuits get to be very expensive, even the ones that have no merit and are eventually dropped or settled out of court ... This situation, quite often drives corporations and individuals to extremely ridiculous behaviors ... Such as the one depicted on the topic at hand.

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Unfortunately, there is also the second side of it. Like two years ago we had in Poland police case, when some special forces attacked one flat becaue they were haunting for one bad guy, but they (you will laugh on this) miscalculated the Floors in the bulding and went into the flat one floor below... Attacking innocent couple... And destroyed girl's teeth on the floor and other things.
It was very loud story in my country, but nobody knows what was the money that get after the court case. Probably not more than a 30-50 k USD?

I can be really wrong, but I suspect, that if in USA police would get into my house with force, destroying its interior, and damaging peples health and body parts, i most probably would get some indemnity worth hundreds or even millions of dollars. But if I am wrong, correct me please.

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No, kapelli, you're not wrong...what happens with lawsuits in the States is usually two parts: the damages / injuries, which are intended to restore you / make you "whole," or roughly the same as you were before the incident.

So, in the case you mentioned, the cost of new teeth, be they dentures, oral surgery, whatever. The intent is to make it a net neutral gain. You didn't lose on the deal, nor did you gain. I'm guessing they also paid for the damages to the flat, but again, only as much as it would cost to replace equal value, at no gain or loss.

The second part, that usually goes nuts here, is the "pain and suffering" phase, which in some cases is perfectly valid, such as requiring physical therapy the rest of your life ( the duration of which is non-quantifiable, but they sue for the max, say, the injured party live to be 100+ ), follow-up medical services, etc.

The non-perfectly valid is usually the mental / emotional / intangibles, which may or may not be real, exist, or as bad as it's played up to be before the court. "I wake up in a cold sweat / I have nightmares / I can't enjoy _______ at all or as much as I did before." Usually quality of life issues, but that's a moving target from person-to-person. THAT'S where it usually gets nuts.

Another issue is that it's almost impossible to sue the government, be it local, state, and especially, the federal. IF you're even allowed to bring that suit, the odds are WAY against you that you'd win, or even break even.

Now we're really off the rails, aren't we?

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Originally Posted by dje31
No, kapelli, you're not wrong...what happens with lawsuits in the States is usually two parts: the damages / injuries, which are intended to restore you / make you "whole," or roughly the same as you were before the incident.

So, in the case you mentioned, the cost of new teeth, be they dentures, oral surgery, whatever. The intent is to make it a net neutral gain. You didn't lose on the deal, nor did you gain. I'm guessing they also paid for the damages to the flat, but again, only as much as it would cost to replace equal value, at no gain or loss.

The second part, that usually goes nuts here, is the "pain and suffering" phase, which in some cases is perfectly valid, such as requiring physical therapy the rest of your life ( the duration of which is non-quantifiable, but they sue for the max, say, the injured party live to be 100+ ), follow-up medical services, etc.

The non-perfectly valid is usually the mental / emotional / intangibles, which may or may not be real, exist, or as bad as it's played up to be before the court. "I wake up in a cold sweat / I have nightmares / I can't enjoy _______ at all or as much as I did before." Usually quality of life issues, but that's a moving target from person-to-person. THAT'S where it usually gets nuts.

Another issue is that it's almost impossible to sue the government, be it local, state, and especially, the federal. IF you're even allowed to bring that suit, the odds are WAY against you that you'd win, or even break even.

Now we're really off the rails, aren't we?


There's also punitive damages (in ddition to the factors you mention) that may apply in such cases in the US - effectively a "punishment" intended to be that painful feeling left after being smacked, that serves as a reminder for them to not do the same thing again.


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Originally Posted by 36251
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Lol sueing corporation for your own stupidity is possible only in the USA.
Can I sue if I spill really hot coffee on my keyboard?


There's no point. Really hot coffee hasn't got any money.

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Lol sueing corporation for your own stupidity is possible only in the USA.
Can I sue if I spill really hot coffee on my keyboard?


There's no point. Really hot coffee hasn't got any money.

But you could sue yourself, and get damages that way.


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Now we're really off the rails, aren't we?

This is exactly what the man wants you to think - which should make you at least a little suspicious as to how that thought got in your head.

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"Warning RD800 owners. We are pretty sure that you should NOT connect your RD800 to your car battery. We think someone somewhere actually did this, but no known cases reported so far. However, DO NOT use your RD800 until further notice until we have thoroughly completed our testing and determine a resolution"

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LOL.

But remember ...it's not Roland's fault ; they didn't wake up one morning and then thought : "O dear, someone could stick the power cable in the wrong socket, we have to warn the world !". It's some guys who actually DID this and then reported it somewhere and perhaps even threatened to sue Roland for it. So they had to respond in this matter; there's simply no other way to protect themselves from the potential lawsuits they may face in the US. Don't blame them for being forced to send such silly emails.

P.s. at least you can happily keep your RD Marko ; no hardware modifications announced, just some add-ons that will be send to current owners and shipped with new boxes.

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Originally Posted by JFP

But remember ...it's not Roland's fault ;


THIS JUST IN: IT IS ROLAND'S FAULT. We at Roland have just determined it IS VERY BAD to connect your RD800 to your car battery. Please contact Roland Support if you are still alive for further instructions. Again DO NOT use RD800 until we find a cure for human error"

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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
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But remember ...it's not Roland's fault ;


THIS JUST IN: IT IS ROLAND'S FAULT. We at Roland have just determined it IS VERY BAD to connect your RD800 to your car battery. Please contact Roland Support if you are still alive for further instructions. Again DO NOT use RD800 until we find a cure for human error"

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Looks like you have some extra time on your hands, since you can't play your RD800 until Roland sends you the caution label. wink


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Excellent job again, Marko! First LOL of the day.


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Originally Posted by 36251
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
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But remember ...it's not Roland's fault ;


THIS JUST IN: IT IS ROLAND'S FAULT. We at Roland have just determined it IS VERY BAD to connect your RD800 to your car battery. Please contact Roland Support if you are still alive for further instructions. Again DO NOT use RD800 until we find a cure for human error"

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Looks like you have some extra time on your hands, since you can't play your RD800 until Roland sends you the caution label. wink


LOL you two! laugh


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