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The quality of the video is exceptional. You get an A plus for that.


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Originally Posted by DoelKees
Originally Posted by Maximillyan
Dear technicians, do your strictly verdict for Max's temperament, please
http://youtu.be/y5txSA4hT1Y

Sounds beautiful. Did he play it transposed to A minor or did you tune at A=415?

Kees

Dear Kees, I'm very glad for your estimate of my creation.
Particularly thanks for yours words:"Sounds beautiful."
I have to explain a things of moments:
Firstly. Young girl playing and neither "HE"
Secondly. Yes, Max indeed deliberately understated pitch. This is not transposition. A = 415 Hz realy.
This upright piano "PETROF" a long time did not have tuning service more than 25 years of . When Max found it's was A=G. It was decided to raise one semitone.
I believe that by our poverty and the lack of service parts Max did correctly is it so?
Regards,Max

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Originally Posted by Gary Fowler
You get an A plus for that.

THANKS,Gary Fowler.
A plus = B, is it so?

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Hi Max. It is OK to tune a semitone flat if there is concern about strings breaking.
But it is better to tune to A440 if you can.
If you are worried about breaking strings, have you learnt how to repair broken strings? It may be a life saver for you.


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Originally Posted by bkw58
This shows the greatest improvement thus far, Max. Looks like you took rxd's advice and have been working toward cleaner unisons. I detect a few beating unisons -mostly in the high treble. Keep working on these. Great progress, Max.

Hi, Bob.
I really took rxd's advices . He is chief curator for me. I continue to improve in pure unison is it very hard.
You rightly pointed out that several beating unisons -mostly in the high treble. It can be heard on the video, sorry. Max shall correct
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Originally Posted by Chris Leslie
Hi Max. It is OK to tune a semitone flat if there is concern about strings breaking.
But it is better to tune to A440 if you can.
If you are worried about breaking strings, have you learnt how to repair broken strings? It may be a life saver for you.

Hello Australia!
Hi,Chris Leslie
Very happy for your support.
I'll try to tune in to the A=440. I shall obliged to do so.
I myself try practice recovery breaking strings. I have to do it often in last times. But my concern is strings winding if its to break during a raise of a pitch.
Regards,Max

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Originally Posted by Maximillyan
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Hi Max. It is OK to tune a semitone flat if there is concern about strings breaking.
But it is better to tune to A440 if you can.
If you are worried about breaking strings, have you learnt how to repair broken strings? It may be a life saver for you.

Hello Australia!
Hi,Chris Leslie
Very happy for your support.
I'll try to tune in to the A=440. I shall obliged to do so.
I myself try practice recovery breaking strings. I have to do it often in last times. But my concern is strings winding if its to break during a raise of a pitch.
Regards,Max


It can easily happen during a pitch raise to A=440. That is why the skill will give you confidence to do full pitch raise and string repair at the same time if it happens.


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Originally Posted by Chris Leslie
Originally Posted by Maximillyan
Originally Posted by Chris Leslie
Hi Max. It is OK to tune a semitone flat if there is concern about strings breaking.
But it is better to tune to A440 if you can.
If you are worried about breaking strings, have you learnt how to repair broken strings? It may be a life saver for you.

Hello Australia!
Hi,Chris Leslie
Very happy for your support.
I'll try to tune in to the A=440. I shall obliged to do so.
I myself try practice recovery breaking strings. I have to do it often in last times. But my concern is strings winding if its to break during a raise of a pitch.
Regards,Max


It can easily happen during a pitch raise to A=440. That is why the skill will give you confidence to do full pitch raise and string repair at the same time if it happens.

We shall ask God so it is not happened

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Originally Posted by bkw58
I detect a few beating unisons -mostly in the high treble.

Yes. Several unison deliberately slightly overstated. When I tuned this upright piano May 2013. I found that the lower pins freely by 5-6 months. This segment keys from F5 to H5 I decided to set 1 beat loose lower pins this string . 4 keys only(F5,G5,B5,H5)

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One Max's client very strongly asked him choose the piano. In the frames of the film it's can be seen in the background of another piano "Belarus" the unfortunate part of 1972 year. The fact that so many piano of this party piano "refuse to keep a pitch". Therefore, I was a big responsibility not to make a mistake and find a decent piano.That "Belarus" is being demonstrated in the video we initially looked at it and came to the conclusion that we need to buy it.
It should be noted that the former owners this piano and no one ever tuning. We found preserved only some of the notes in the choruses which was in a factory (A = 435Hz ) . It was decided to hold the original tuning using the T- bar and a plectrum. But subsequently Max was clean tuning use tuning hammer .What came out of it judge for yourself.
I would strongly advise if there is no special need do not rush and do not immediately (A = 440 ) as it is likely fragility this pitch down after such a temperament . Need to consider the fact that more than 30 years the piano has been a common power load and a pins and can be subjected to excessive pressure on a hole of a pinblock.
Need note that upright piano Max tuned it's (9-12 ) when the handle is on the left only and move up . Why so ? The fact that this practice makes a pin during tuning only rotate along a predetermined path attached by hand of man . A pin does not bend as it comes with the usual practice, when the handle tuning hammer located to the right . And as a consequence more durable , and most importantly , stable of a pitch, I'm think . Although it is inconvenient to work.
To recieve your pleasure it's see
Regards,Max
http://youtu.be/ahAu-4ZSnwc

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Today I received this video. Lady plays music on grand piano "Bluthner". You could hear it in the sound of the video, which I did a year ago. Year passed as I tuned it's. Many technicians then commented this temperament. I was not invited to tuning this year. I'm think school officials considered the piano tuned. But I hear bad unisons in the middle register. Very bad sound treble. What do you think about this temperament?
Is that bad?

It was a year ago:
http://youtu.be/_5AfeXFmuHs

http://youtu.be/xd1vU_WrbEY

http://youtu.be/cIollNuEnmY

Now:
http://youtu.be/MQk-N8qbBV0

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Max made first test temperament for two pianos "PETROF".
Max is waiting for strong criticism from technicians
http://youtu.be/Kf1wlEnUntQ

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Upright piano "PETROF" 1968. Haydn Sonata in E Major. Before and after Max's temperament
http://youtu.be/URC_NyWGND8

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Max once again invited to tuning a Chinese grand piano "Yamaha". Because was need a video for the preliminary stage of the competition one lady. Dear technicians, Max waits yours verdict about temperament it's grand piano, please.
Regards, Max
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Hi Max.

In the final analysis it really doesn't matter what I think. What do you think? And of paramount importance: What does Ms Sidorovich think?

Here, again, is the Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 10. How would you compare the tunings? The first is yours. The second is by a tuner unknown.


Max's tuning.




Tuner unknown.

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I think Maximillyan is fishing for compliments. My advice remains the same: If you think your tunings are good, chances are that you have no talent for tuning.


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Max, from one novice tuner to another - keep working on creating solid and stable unisons. The temperament is of little value if your unisons and octaves are not solid.

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In this very thread, our esteemed colleague, the late Jerry Groot, RPT, wrote,

"I have found over the years and many people here in PW fit into this category, that in many cases, many of the tuners in here can't hear worth a crap. They all claim that they can but when comments such as I like the unisons out of tune come forth and they like it that way; all that tells me is that they cannot get them clean themselves. It also tells me that they are not all that experienced as they lead us to believe with attempting to get clean unisons and, it tells me that they have not had much experience with truly good, concert artists that they, themselves can hear the difference between in and out of tune. Most of which want pure unison's not out of tune ones.

"Even with a bad recording, that tuning is easy to hear as is the bad voicing on it."


This thread is almost two years running. Criticism - constructive or otherwise - and words of encouragement can only go so far. Ultimately it is the tuner who must hear the difference between a wobbly unison and a clean one. No one can do this for him.

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There is talent and there is the voluntary to read, understand and try methods.

I have seen beginners tuner that could not hear a beat , learn to listen correctly in a very short time under adequate supervision.

Basic exercises are necessary until some result is obtained. unison, tempered slow intervals without moaning. stability.

I did not want to answer as I dont know what to say. It is finally up to the tuner to hear is his tuning is sounding good.

Look at the feet of the pianist and how she is obliged to use a lot the sustain pedal to hide a little the defects. Of course music limits that, but if whe where playing only arpeggios she would left the pedal on at all times, a little like with the sitar and cymbalum (no dampers). On pianos the tone have a begin, a body and an end, this is very different and the pianos may be capable of articulation.
BTW asking about temperament analysis is totally something else than what those videos provide, as it have been explained yet.


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Originally Posted by bkw58
Hi Max.

In the final analysis it really doesn't matter what I think. What do you think? And of paramount importance: What does Ms Sidorovich think?

Here, again, is the Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 10. How would you compare the tunings? The first is yours. The second is by a tuner unknown.


Max's tuning.




Tuner unknown.

Hi,Bob
Matters to me until today. Mary unfortunately forced to play on my temperament, because no other grand piano or tuner do not have in this province. She does not like this piano, but she had to creat a video for the contest. That's the sad saga of a grand piano. Thank you all for your sincerity. I stop here forever. I'm sorry if someone is offended here
Forum Moderator can delete all my threads that wrote earlier here.
Regards,Max

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