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Just read something in passing where someone mentioned some sort of problem with the pedal delay on this model but there were no further details. Can anyone shed any light on this as I'm supposed to be suggesting either this or the Roland F20 at £100 more to a friend who doesn't play yet, and don't want to give him a bum steer. frown


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I think better place to ask is on the main page where that was mention: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2200715

I am on the process of investigating what is the problem, but something I learn is that the delay apparently is cause by the pedal F-10H, not the ES100 digital piano. I am using a switch and there is no significant delay (around 0.02 seconds). When using F-10H pedal, the delay is 0.12 seconds.

Question is if the 3-pedal unit also have delay or not. It use a different connector and might use different electronics so there is a chance there is no delay using that pedal unit.

BTW this means that the F-10H pedal should have the same delay on any kawai digital piano. No confirmation on that yet ether.

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Gotcha. Bit techy, but thatnks for replying. From what I understand, you can't use a three pedal system wuth the ES100 as it doesn't have the software/hardware for it, so it would be impossible to try it out to test the theory. It'll physically plug in, but that's it. I presume that's why they make the KDP90 as this is pretty similar to the ES100 except it's in a cabinet, a few others bits & bobs, and designed to actually work with the three pedal control system.


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What do you mean? The ES100 have a 3-pedal unit model F-350 that allows half pedal capability and the 3 pedals. You need the furniture to install the F-350, though.

Don't know why you say "the ES100 doesn't have the software/hardware for it".


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Sorry, yes, you're right. I was getting confused with the chat I had with the guy at Roland UK the other day who said the F20 wasn't compatible with the three pedal system so the F120 would overcome that.


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. . . You need the furniture to install the F-350, though.


I tied the Casio 3-pedal unit to the bottom of my X-stand. It's ugly, but it works.

Depending on the size/shape of the F-350, something similar might work.

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After contacting Kawai, this is what they say:

"An internal problem was discovered in a small number of early production units of the ES100 which caused the pedal to operate in the manner that you describe. This problem was quickly corrected and new ES100s now respond correctly to the pedal. The problem was never in the pedal, but rather in the keyboard, so a different pedal will produce the same results on your unit."

I first though the problem was the pedal. They say is the digital piano itself.

If you choice ES100, make sure you get one from the new ones where they say they correct this.


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Good morning,

Information regarding the ES100 pedal latency mentioned above can be found at the following page:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/support/es100.html

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Hi Charles:

Which Casio 3-pedal did you tried ? Does the connector fit ? I would like to buy one. Casio pedal is a about half price of Kawai F-350. Beside I have problem getting it in Canada.
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Daniel I've reading your posts about the dampening delay, and I don't see why you suppose the problem is the pedal itself, perhaps the piano has the ability of using correctly on/off data but gets messed in some way when processing all the intermediate values of the continuous pedal.

Anyway it is pure speculation, the correct thing to do is having a look to James' link

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As I mention before, Kawai contact me and told me the ES100 was the problem, not the pedal as I though before.

Also, switch pedal behavior start to have issues later on, witch prove is true that the fault is the ES100 (since switch pedal actually was fine).

Kawai say they fix this issue in ES100 units, although no prove of this is yet known to me. I would love an actual latency measurement for fix units.

Since I don't have that data, I will return the ES100 and maybe buy a Yamaha P-255. I am working to get the money to return it (I need to pay to get it in to US), and also the money to pay the extra 500 US$ to get the P-255.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Good morning,

Information regarding the ES100 pedal latency mentioned above can be found at the following page:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/support/es100.html

Kind regards,
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Hi James, The Technical Brief says US and Australia, does that mean if I purchase an ES100 here in the UK, which I'm considering at the moment, I can expect no problem with the pedal latency issue? Regards

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Hello bluebilly,

Yes, the pedal latency only affected early production units sold in the US and Australia. Europe introduced the ES100 a little later, long after the latency issue had been resolved.

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Hi Charles:

Which Casio 3-pedal did you tried ? Does the connector fit ? I would like to buy one. Casio pedal is a about half price of Kawai F-350. Beside I have problem getting it in Canada.
Thanks.


There's no standard, among manufacturers, for "half-pedal" implementation! As far as I know, there's no standard for "3-pedal" units, either.

So if you're thinking of using a Casio 3-pedal unit (I used an SP-33) on a Kawai --

. . . forget about it.

Also, the Casio SP-33 has only three damper pedal effects:

. . . dampers down (pedal up)

. . . dampers partway down (a range of movement,
. . . which translates into _one_ MIDI value,
. . . set by the PX-350 "Function" menu)

. . . dampers up (pedal down)

So it's _not_ a "continuous" half-pedal.

Maybe that's why it's only half the price of the Kawai pedal?<g>

. Charles


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