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Sorry you're seeing it this way.

Why should the question: "who is making C. Bechstein's current actions" be a criticism?
Or for that matter anybody else's?

Just to trying find out pertinent details about a piano is hardly criticizing the maker.

P.S As previous company consultant presumably familiar with this, do you happen to know the answer?

And if you do, are you prepared to share with us?

It has always been my habit to study in great detail all specs and details about the major makers, but this one eludes me.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Norbert

You know the answers to these question. Your questionable but consistent motives are obvious to the regulars here.

Funny, you weren't raising these issues when you asked to represent Bechstein in your market!!

In your reply you conveniently left out the relevant part of your post.

It's a criticism because you said:

"As opposed to recent models, older C.Bechsteins had the well designed Renner action which are well known and easy to regulate for experienced techs."

Not only that your comment about new Bechsteins had nothing to do with anything on the thread before your post. The OP's question was about a 35 year old Bechstein and not a single post on the thread discussed new Bechsteins.

How you have the nerve to claim you didn't criticize Bechstein is really astonishingly unbelievable.

Gentlemen, lets cool-it with the bickering just a bit, for Andy’s sake.

Rickster

Since English is not your first language, I provide the following:

Disingenuous

dis·in·gen·u·ous

/ˌdisinˈjenyo͞oəs/

adjective

adjective: disingenuous

1. not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Sorry Rick, I was typing my last post as you were typing yours.

I'll lay off!

cool it - Phrases/Idioms

1.Calm down, relax, as in John was beginning to seethe, but I told him to cool it. [Slang; c. 1950]
2.Stop what one is doing, especially stop talking or behaving conspicuously, as in We'd be wise to cool it until the scandal blows over. It is also used as an imperative, as in Cool it! We'll be in trouble if anyone hears you. [Slang; c. 1950]

http://www.yourdictionary.com/cool-it

Rickster

No worries, Steve…

I think we both are typing and posting simultaneously.

I don’t blame you or P-loverus, or Norbert for being enthusiastic about Bechstien. I’d love to have a Bechstein piano, grand or upright to add to my collection.

Rick

Steve Cohen and piano whiz pianoloverus in cahoots, nice going....

Coincidence?

Yet not giving answers.

Is it lack of knowledge or just inappropriate postering by the two?

Is there something to my question that is supposed to be "off limits" or not public knowledge?

Did I say Bechsteins have poor actions or the new ones are not as good as Renners?

Really don't understand why asking a question about a manufacturer's major components like what type action used is supposed to be "criticism".

It's an important part re any piano's specs.

Genuinely curious.

Norbert

Rick.

What did Norbert post her that sounded "enthusiastic about Bechstein" to you?

Yes.
"As opposed to recent models, older C.Bechsteins had the well designed Renner action which are well known and easy to regulate for experienced techs."

Everybody knows that Renner actions are indeed very well designed when it comes having to do regulation work, the original concern by OP

If other type actions are used by manufacturers such as Mason Hamlin, Steinway or Shigeru, they hardly make a secret out of it.

When on the other hand, a company remains continually silent about these details, it naturally triggers some curiosity.

Curiosity by itself is hardly criticism.

Criticism may come when proper answers are not being given or others are deriding those for simply asking the question.

You seem to be a proponent of this - for God knows what reasons...

Norbert

Yes but you are not "curious" ...YOU KNOW THE ANSWER!

Disingenuous

dis·in·gen·u·ous

/ˌdisinˈjenyo͞oəs/

adjective

adjective: disingenuous

1. not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.


[Sorry Rick but he won't let it go.]

Norbert,
The answer you seek is here, right at the top of the page, and it has been for years:
http://www.pianobuyer.com/fall13/155.html

This information was reviewed by Bechstein representatives for accuracy before publication, I might add.

I'm not one to usually argue with you on the forum, but you seem to be taking a lot of "shots" at the folks from Seifhennersdorf/Berlin these days on the forum for some reason (like anytime a thread about the manufacturer is posted for any reason)...

So, um.....Does this happen a lot here? Wasn't trying to cause a conflict...

As for Bechsteins movement, I've played older (30's), middle aged (70's), and ones from as recently as 2 years ago. They've changed dramatically- perhaps in part to differentiate themselves from the piano they seem to be compared to the most- Bosendorfer.

From all of the people I've spoken to, pianists I really respect- it seems to really be a matter of preference. Oscar Peterson said he preferred the Bosendorfer (which he played for many years.) but related he couldn't get 'thunder' out of it the way he could a Bechstein.

There's no perfect piano for everyone. Subtle digs at others preferences don't seem to serve much purpose.

Andy

Ladies and gentlemen… in this corner we have Norbert, who has questions and demands answers about Bechstein’s actions! And, in this corner we have Steve Cohen, who says Norbert already has the answers he’s seeking and is being disingenuous! And, in this corner we have Pianoloverus who is tag-teaming with Steve against Norbert (two against one?). And, in this corner, we have terminaldegree, who has informed Norbert where he will find the answers he is seeking, (Pianobuyer.com, of course) which some believe he (Norbert) already knows but is being disingenuous… Ding, Ding, Ding… (crowd thunders with applause, chants and wolf calls as the match begins…) (crowd chants… knock-down-drag-out- knock-down-drag-out-knock-down-drag-out…)


Now, let’s get this thread back on track… before the announcer gets a little too hot under the collar.

Hi Andy, just hang around... you ain't seen nothin yet. (Just kidding... this type of thing doesn't happen often, but it does happen on occasion. )

Keep us informed of your piano move and regulation, and we'd love to see pictures!

By the way, some of the best piano experts in the world are members here and contribute often…

Rickster

I really wouldn't care to see 1/2 ton of Bechstein being manhandled over a wall, even a fairly low one. Could you not remove a section of the wall then rebuild it after delivery of the piano?

Re-building a wall will cost you far less than rebuilding a piano.

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J-C.

Hi Andy,

I've only been around this forum for a few months, and this doesn't really happen 'a lot'. Although there are often some quite strong reactions when Norbert chimes in with off topic remarks aimed at discrediting brands which compete with the ones he sells at his dealership. Then often a moderator steps in to tell everyone to leave poor innocent Norbert alone.

On my first thread here, Norbert discredited a dealer in my locality whom he knows nothing about by telling me that information he gave me was lies. When pushed on this point and asked to back it up by myself and another forum member, he simply changed the subject to promoting Estonia and Sauter pianos (brands he sells).

https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...urchasing%20a%20used%20.html#Post2115284

I hope it's clear that I'm not launching a personal attack on Norbert here, rather pointing out that his behaviour speaks for itself. Although I'll never understand why we're not allowed to point out his disingenuous (thanks Steve!) behaviour and blatant promotional activities.

I agree. It sounds horrifying, and bearing in mind the prices you have been quoted for the move, perhaps dismantling and then rebuilding the wall wouldn't be all that relatively expensive. Worth it if it will prevent the possibility of some quite serious damage.

Even on end? Have professional movers confirmed that it's necessary to go over, or through, the back wall?