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Not Piano, but I truly think the 4th movement of Mahler's 9th Symphony is the most profound and beautiful movement of classical musio (only my opinion of course). This is Bernstein giving analysis of it if you guys are interested.


Lenny gives comments on 9th Symphony


Thanks for bringing up Mahler. I'll give Lenny a listen, but my first thought wasn't the 9th Symphony it was the one that came after, Das Lied Von Der Erde. Der Abschied (the farewell) kills me every time I hear it. It was after all Mahler's farewell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_bwuSK7U34


Voce, the person you are saying "thanks" to, last posted anything here over a year and a half ago, and is showing as last being online here in November of last year.




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Chopin's Opus 55/2 and 62/1 jump to my head right away. The beauty of these works cannot be quantified. It is almost infinite.

55/2 didn't do anything for me.

Really? Even those amazing moments at, for example, 24-26, 34-38, or 58-62? I find that hard to believe. Give it some more listens.


For real. This and 62/1 are the two best nocturnes in my opinion.


One can have favourites, or perceive some music as ultimately more beautiful than other music, but I don't think one can realistically try to know which is best (same as with the two Mozart sonatas mentioned in a different post, and Polyphonist's ranking of the composers with Beethoven in 1st place).


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Chopin's Opus 55/2 and 62/1 jump to my head right away. The beauty of these works cannot be quantified. It is almost infinite.

55/2 didn't do anything for me.

Really? Even those amazing moments at, for example, 24-26, 34-38, or 58-62? I find that hard to believe. Give it some more listens.


For real. This and 62/1 are the two best nocturnes in my opinion.


I agree with how good they are, but I end up coming back to 9/1 and 27/2 smile

I think I'll learn 9/1 next semester...

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Chopin's Fourth Ballade, Fourth Scherzo, Rondo a la mazur, Krakowiak Rondo -- Chopin's Rondos should be played more often.
Beethoven's Piano Sonatas, No. 28 Op. 101 & No. 31 Op. 110
Schubert's Piano Sonata, D 960
Feinberg's Berceuse, Op. 19a
Faure's Nocturne No. 2, Op. 33 No. 2
Schumann's Blumenstucke, Geistervariationen
Scriabin's Poeme, Op. 59 No. 1
Brahms's Violin Sonata No. 1
Dohnanyi's Piano Quintet No. 1 in C Minor, No. 2 in Eb Minor (The intermezzo melts my heart).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vak0Qn22Euc

Medtner's Sonata Romantica, Op. 53 No. 1

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I suggest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRvlMz6pBXI ...just off the top of my head and quickly; got to go...but listen! laugh
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And why did I guess it would be Stanchinsky?! (God forbid that you should ever become predictable, FSO!) laugh

I did listen to the entire piece. Not exactly my <insert name of beverage favoured by Brits>. He was certainly ahead of his time, but to these traditionalist, pedestrian ears, that is not necessarily a good thing. smile

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This piece by Alan Hovhaness is wonderful (as any of his piece) :


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How about the Preludium of Bach's Bb Partita?

It's hard to beat that...


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How about the Preludium of Bach's Bb Partita?

It's hard to beat that...


Indeed, a most beautiful piece.

What about this one :


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I miss Saul. At least he made the discussions interesting.


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Someone mentioned they could not think of any beautiful pop music. Well depends on how you define pop and what era of pop music you're talking about.

Most people in this group are not familiar with the pop music (sometimes called jazz) of the 20s,30s, and 40s.

A couple of my favorite pop tunes from that time period are:

Star Dust and Deep Purple. (Not the Deep Purple song of recent years.)

I've read that Star Dust is the most recorded of all popular songs.

George Gershwin was NOT the only great pop music composer.

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Originally Posted by Bech
George Gershwin was NOT the only great pop music composer.


Of course not. I'm not a Beatles fan, but I am a Paul McCartney fan. Paul is the most consistently great songwriter alive in my opinion (Lennon was great too, but I'm on the Paul side of the fence). It takes an exceptionally brilliant musical mind to come up with a pieces like Yesterday, Hey Jude, Let it Be, etc. I won't go into all his other fantastic hits, nor will I mention his wonderful work after the Beatles.

I get a lot of crap from people, even [one of] my own classical-listening friends, for supporting Paul McCartney. If one truly loves music without bias, they won't have such an uninformed, bigoted attitude. I accept great music when I hear it, and I certainly don't allow popularity to skew my perception.

Honorable mentions: 1, Freddy Mercury. Bohemian Rhapsody. Need I say anything? 2, Michael Jackson. Again, need I say anything? 3, Jimmy Page at his height. The Rain Song is one of the best pieces of music ever written.

PS: I think it's absolutely hilarious that many classical listeners think good music ended a long time ago, as if all of the talent dropped off the earth. There are still brilliant composers, it's just that the style has shifted to a less complex, but not inferior method of writing. If you dropped Paul McCartney into the 19th century, he would have written some wonderful stuff then too. There will always be genius musicians, you just have to sift them out from all of the mediocre BS. Do you think Beethoven was the only composer in his time? There was plenty of mediocrity, trust me. They were insignificant, unlike Beethoven, so they did not stand the test of time. If humans are still here in 100 years, the greats of the 20th century will be up there with the greats of the 19th and 18th centuries, and will be hailed as such.

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Originally Posted by TheHappyMoron

I miss Saul. At least he made the discussions interesting.


Well, if you think pushing the same button or two over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over is interesting.

To me, not so much.





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Who is Saul and what happened to him?

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Who is Saul and what happened to him?


This pretty much sums him up:

Originally Posted by wr

the same button or two over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over


Just for clarification wr my “missing saul” was sarcastic laugh


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Just for clarification wr my “missing saul” was sarcastic laugh


Thanks for the clarification - I thought you meant it. On the internet, you never know...

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Polonaise Fantasie anyone? (or was that mentioned?)

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Polonaise Fantasie anyone? (or was that mentioned?)

Yes, I love the piece and am coming to love it more and more day by day. It would be on my top ten Chopin list, and probably my top 5.


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Originally Posted by JoelW

PS: I think it's absolutely hilarious that many classical listeners think good music ended a long time ago, as if all of the talent dropped off the earth. There are still brilliant composers, it's just that the style has shifted to a less complex, but not inferior method of writing. If you dropped Paul McCartney into the 19th century, he would have written some wonderful stuff then too. There will always be genius musicians, you just have to sift them out from all of the mediocre BS. Do you think Beethoven was the only composer in his time? There was plenty of mediocrity, trust me. They were insignificant, unlike Beethoven, so they did not stand the test of time. If humans are still here in 100 years, the greats of the 20th century will be up there with the greats of the 19th and 18th centuries, and will be hailed as such.


Perhaps - but in the context of the "type" of music they produced. McCartney is a gifted songwriter, no doubt about it (and both he and Lennon were my two favorite "pop" music composers back in the 60's). But absolutely no way is McCartney capable of producing musical works comparable in beauty, depth and complexity as those of the true "greats" of the 17th, 18th, 19th, or 20th centuries. Sorry, but his work is "inferior" even though it is (and will probably remain) immensely popular.


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PS: I think it's absolutely hilarious that many classical listeners think good music ended a long time ago, as if all of the talent dropped off the earth. There are still brilliant composers, it's just that the style has shifted to a less complex, but not inferior method of writing. If you dropped Paul McCartney into the 19th century, he would have written some wonderful stuff then too. There will always be genius musicians, you just have to sift them out from all of the mediocre BS. Do you think Beethoven was the only composer in his time? There was plenty of mediocrity, trust me. They were insignificant, unlike Beethoven, so they did not stand the test of time. If humans are still here in 100 years, the greats of the 20th century will be up there with the greats of the 19th and 18th centuries, and will be hailed as such.


Perhaps - but in the context of the "type" of music they produced. McCartney is a gifted songwriter, no doubt about it (and both he and Lennon were my two favorite "pop" music composers back in the 60's). But absolutely no way is McCartney capable of producing musical works comparable in beauty, depth and complexity as those of the true "greats" of the 17th, 18th, 19th, or 20th centuries. Sorry, but his work is "inferior" even though it is (and will probably remain) immensely popular.

Well said, except I care even less than you do about pop music. ha


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Perhaps - but in the context of the "type" of music they produced. McCartney is a gifted songwriter, no doubt about it (and both he and Lennon were my two favorite "pop" music composers back in the 60's). But absolutely no way is McCartney capable of producing musical works comparable in beauty, depth and complexity as those of the true "greats" of the 17th, 18th, 19th, or 20th centuries. Sorry, but his work is "inferior" even though it is (and will probably remain) immensely popular.

Well said, except I care even less than you do about pop music. ha

I stopped caring about it around 40 years ago....... grin

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