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Bio of Busoni gives his parents as his first teachers then Schmidt in Vienna, Dr. Wilhelm Mayer at Graz. Another bio gives his parents again and W. A. Remy. No mention of Liszt is made in either bio except for transcriptions of Liszt's works.

Perhaps he attended some of the classes but it isn't considered enough to classify him as a Liszt student? Hm . . . .I'm sure some eager pianist will research that information! smile
Here is what David Dubal says in the liner notes of Busoni Plays Liszt, Bach-Busoni, and Chopin:

"Although not a Liszt pupil, Busoni did more for this composer than most of the army of Liszt's actual students.

"In 1909, after playing the Liszt Sonata for Liszt's pupil Sgambate, Busoni wrote "he kissed my head and said I quite reminded him of the master, more so than his real pupils"".


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These links actually do mean something, because some of the information will be filtering directly and won't necessarily be found in books. It can be proven that it means something by the fact there is a lineage. However, just because someone WASNT taught by a teacher from 'the lineage' doesn't mean they're not a wonderful teacher, and likewise, just because someone WAS doesn't mean they ARE a wonderful teacher.

Take into account the fact that Beethoven's piano was so different to the instruments being produced at the end of Liszts life, and you can see that there are technique issues that won't have been around in Beethoven's time. That said, there are certain things, about interpretation etc, the spirit of what is happening, that are transferable through any generation.



It does largely depend on how a pupil interprets the info, and chinese whispers does change things.


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Beethoven
Czerny
Theodor Kullak
Nikolai Rubinstein
Sergei Taneyev
Leonid Nikolayev
Nadia Reisenberg
Gregory Biss

A very tenuous connection, since I have only studied with Greg Biss a few times in the summer at Summerkeys. But it's really exciting to think there is a connection, however tenuous.

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Ludwig van Beethoven

Karl Czerny

...it gets a little hazy here...

My teacher (Dr. Steven Keniston)

Dr. Keniston got his degree at UT and explained a lineage to me that went right back to Czerny / Beethoven but I don't remember the intermediate steps.

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Originally Posted by pianojerome
No, but they're nice ego-boosters. laugh


Ego builder and destroyer.

On the one hand, it's kind of a warm fuzzy to realize that you've got a connection, however tenuous, to a glorious musical heritage and history.

On the other hand, it's depressing. One feels like that (great great great great...) great grandkid of whom the elders of the family murmur quietly among themselves, "Meh, not the brightest bulb... but maybe he'll get a job as a mail sorter one day, find a nice girl, settle down..."


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This is a very old thread...

But

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Another photo of Renato walking with Michelangeli in Italy.

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Renato is to the right of Michelangeli.


My teacher is in this picture too! smile


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Now that I think about it (if what I read here is true), my first teacher studied with a conservatory teacher who studied with Yvonne Lefébure, who in turn studied with Cortot, who was a pupil of Decombes, who was a pupil of Chopin.

Funnily enough I don't feel this linages thing is very substantial at this point, or at least I'm not under the impression I inherited much of Chopin laugh

I should ask my current teacher, who studied at Paris Conservatory (and probably privately with other teachers, too), maybe there's somehting less tenuous !

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Originally Posted by BruceD
But these links don't mean anything, do they?

Given the cliché that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, if any student in the chain did not strongly espouse the views of his teacher or was just not a particularly good student, what significant link is there between the current student and the "original" master?

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I'll just copy and paste what I posted 7 years ago on this thread; these so-called lineages are virtually meaningless.

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I don't think a lot of us will disagree (not me at least), but it's a funny thing to do (;

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Not that this tree leads to a famous pianist, but:

Me
Björn Månsson
Vlado Perlemuter
Maurice Ravel

Then there's this:

Me
Ilmo Ranta
Dmitri Bashkirov
Alexander Goldenweiser
Sergei Tanyev
Tchaikovsky



and a bunch of other stuff

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Mein Gott in Himmel Hoch - where did this thread come from. Doesn't anything ever die around here?

My present teacher sez he asks new students who they studied with and from that he can guess about what he's going to get...

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I thought we went through this in the previous decade, but it must have been another thread. In any event,

Me
V. Leyetchkiss
Henry Newhouse (Heinrich Neuhaus)
Alexander Michalowski
Carl Tausig/Karol Mikuli
F. Chopin

or,
Alexander Michalowski
Ignaz Moscheles (teacher of Mendelssohn, friend of Chopin and Beethoven)
Antonio Salieri

also,
H. Neuhaus
Felix Blumenfeld
N. Rimsky-Korsakov
Mily Balakirev

It's hard to say which of these teachers has been the greatest influence on my musical career, but since I don't have one, I'd have to say it's Salieri.

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Originally Posted by Numerian
I thought we went through this in the previous decade, but it must have been another thread. In any event,
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We did! Check the dates on the original post on this thread and on many subsequent posts; this thread does date from "the previous decade." In fact, you yourself posted on this thread in January 2006.

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