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#211289 08/29/07 12:48 AM
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I have been shopping for a baby grand to put in the auditorium of the school I teach at. The budget for this piano is $5,000 so I am not expecting anything great.

Then just today I read in my local paper that former boy-band mogul now convicted felon Lou Pearlman had all his possessions sold at a bankruptcy auction this past weekend, and among those items was a Baldwin baby grand for $3,850!

This is a guy who lived in a $10 million dollar house and at one point was worth over $200 million dollars, so I am guessing this piano was not a clunker. He lived 20 mins from me so picking it up wouldn't have been a problem. $3,850 for a Baldwin! I can't believe I missed out on this!!!!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-pearlman2807aug28,0,3145744.story

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Don't beat yourself up too much. A lot of times those foreclosures are advertised only in teeny tiny print in the legal notices of the newspaper... easy to miss.

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You may not have missed much. I have been told that often when they have these Bankruptcy sales as well as estate sales, they often include a lot of junk from places other than the expensive mansion.

The innocent public is unaware of this practice and thinks that everything must be top quality.

Console yourself with the belief that the Piano being offered at such a rediculously low price may have been a clunker. Gaby Tu

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I've seen absolutely gorgeous baby grands selling for $5,000 that I wouldn't give you $50 for.


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I've seen absolutely gorgeous baby grands selling for $5,000 that I wouldn't give you $50 for.
I wouldn't think Baldwin would be one of those.

Also, don't they retail in the 40s?

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Also, don't they retail in the 40s?
While new Baldwin grands do start in the low 30's, you don't know what size this one is, you don't know its age, and, more importantly, you don't know anything about its condition.

The price of a used piano depends very much on its condition, and even if it has a known name on the fallboard, that doesn't guarantee that its condition is good.

For all we know, it may have had most of its life beaten out of it; on the other hand, it may have been maintained in top condition. Since you don't know, don't assume that you and your school have lost out on anything great.

Keep looking.

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Also, don't they retail in the 40s?
While new Baldwin grands do start in the low 30's, you don't know what size this one is, you don't know its age, and, more importantly, you don't know anything about its condition.

The price of a used piano depends very much on its condition, and even if it has a known name on the fallboard, that doesn't guarantee that its condition is good.

For all we know, it may have had most of its life beaten out of it; on the other hand, it may have been maintained in top condition. Since you don't know, don't assume that you and your school have lost out on anything great.

Keep looking.

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Good points, but I assume he wasn't bargain hunting the classifieds when he bought it. laugh People with net worths in the 9 digits usually don't. But then again, why a Baldwin baby grand? Why not an Imperial Grand? Why not a C7 Disklavier? Maybe this was just one of his many pianos and this one wasn't his "main" piano. Maybe he had this since he was a kid and it is in fact fifty years old. Maybe it got beat up during many of the hundreds of cocktail parties his mansion hosted. Maybe he kept it in the garage for his poodle to practice on. Maybe gabytu's post above is what took place. You're right, I guess I shouldn't assume because we really don't know for sure.

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Surprisingly, it's not uncommon to find that the nicer the house, the worse the piano. Maybe it's just wishful thinking for us tuners, that as we pull into the circular carriageway, we'll be ushered into the music room with the concert grand... instead of the spinet. (Or why not the concert grand *and* the spinet? After all, there's an eight-car garage...).

Ah, well, they'd probably want the concert grand and spinet tuned together, anyway... :-)

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I've seen absolutely gorgeous baby grands selling for $5,000 that I wouldn't give you $50 for.
I wouldn't think Baldwin would be one of those.

Also, don't they retail in the 40s?
1. That "retail" list price is a delusional figure, utterly meaningless.

2. There is nothing prestigious about Baldwin the brand and nothing rare about Baldwin uprights and baby grands. Having tons of cheap, old, used, small Baldwins out there should be of no surprise to anyone. (Now don't misinterpret that to mean that the pianos are not good -- I personally happen to like the old Baldwin Hamilton upright a lot, yet it's a cheap and abundant model, and there is no prestige in owning one. smile )

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Surprisingly, it's not uncommon to find that the nicer the house, the worse the piano.
In my experience Cy's findings are often right. Many wealthy people seem happy to skimp on a piano 'just' for the children to learn on, but would never forego the full-leather option on their Range-Rover Sport, the cost of which would probably pay for at least a second-hand U1!

A few years ago in my county a sale of the household items of the late great John Entwisle, bass player of The Who was held in a large hotel. Amongst his worldly goods was a humble Danemann baby grand of the type routinely bought for school music departments in the 1960s and not what you'd expect to be found in the house of a multi-millionnaire musician. The truth of the matter was that he also had a Yamaha Disklavier which had been sold as part of his studio inventory and the poor old Danemann along with most of the other items were remaindered after what wasn't left to family, friends and bought by studio gear dealers was taken, so these sales are never as tempting as they first appear.


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Surprisingly, it's not uncommon to find that the nicer the house, the worse the piano. Maybe it's just wishful thinking for us tuners, that as we pull into the circular carriageway, we'll be ushered into the music room with the concert grand... instead of the spinet. (Or why not the concert grand *and* the spinet? After all, there's an eight-car garage...).

Ah, well, they'd probably want the concert grand and spinet tuned together, anyway... :-)

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I agree: why would someone with that "job" have a nice working piano in his house, if the studio only has one nicer?

I'd guess this one was piano-shaped furniture from the "Hey! Look what I do for a living!" line wink


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i dunno Ax.. i think the M's are kind of special (not that the one you missed was worth fretting about gary).. they are excellent to practice on and great for a small venue.


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i dunno Ax.. i think the M's are kind of special (not that the one you missed was worth fretting about gary).. they are excellent to practice on and great for a small venue.
Nowhere does it say that it was an M, however. It may just as well have been an old B1, which was not a great piano.

And frankly, a "Boy Band Impressario" may not have the best ear in selecting a quality piano wink .

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Some advertised Baldwins have proved to be Howards. That would be plenty for an 80 year old <5' Howard in poor condition.

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5K for a school piano is about 10K under budget, this will be the last piano your school gets for awhile? yes? don't buy used get a nice new something that will last, your kids will probably end up playing on it. Yamaha, Kawai, Boston in a pinch Pearl, seem to be where people are heading. Maybe get the boosters or alumni assoc to kick in a few bucks. Auction pianos don't come around very often. You could buy a used 35 year old 7.6 footer, but again remember this may be the last piano the school buys in the next 50 years, The only one happy will be your tech.


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It could also have been a DH Baldwin, which was a Samick. It would look very nice in a beautiful home.


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Just to let y'all know...a neighbor of mine, among many many other people were owed a lot of money by Lou Perlman when he skipped town.

If any of those creditors happened to be the local utility company, it's very possible that the power in that "mansion" was cut off.

This is Florida, where we've had little rain this wet-season, but high humidity and heat nonetheless.

So think about this for a minute. Maybe AC. Maybe no AC. Not for days. Not for weeks. For MONTHS.

I wouldn't have placed a bid on that one without knowing MANY more details about the storage of that piano.

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This is Florida, where we've had little rain this wet-season, but high humidity and heat nonetheless.

So think about this for a minute. Maybe AC. Maybe no AC. Not for days. Not for weeks. For MONTHS.
My mom had a reasonably nice piano when she moved to Florida. She gave it to my brother-in-law, who stuck it in a storage trailer for a year. At the end of this period, the strings and plate were rusted, and the soundboard cracked. It was unplayable.


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There are a lot of "climatized" self-storage places here in Florida, maybe more than any other kind.

But considering the .. er. undesirable "storm" (man, it's hard keeping it clean) that surrounded that man and his attempt to flight from justice, there's no guarantee that any of Perlman's property was stored in favorable conditions.

I know I'm beating a dead horse quite thoroughly here, but I think it's important to put the original poster's mind at ease.

Unless you have a personal relationship with the cleaning staff and they can assure you "cross-their-hearts-and-hope-to-die" that the equipment was kept only in the best of conditions, I would rest easy knowing that somebody ELSE is probably gonna have to deal with any equipment from that auction.


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