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Originally Posted by kpembrook
Originally Posted by bkw58
If it is true that

"If you get the 3rds right, then the 4ths and 5ths will be OK,"

then it must also be true that

"If you get the 4ths and 5th right, then the 3rds will be OK."

Such is wholly predicated upon what we train our ears to detect, and where we choose to place the emphasis. The goal in temperament is equal frequency ratios between successive notes. There is more than one way to get there and to check accuracy along the way.


One would think so . . . but actually not in my experience. When I tune 4ths/5ths, I check with the thirds and go and modify my 5ths until the 3rds are right. When I just make the thirds right, the 4ths/5ths are OK and I don't have to tweak nearly as much.

As I mentioned, I grew up tuning 4ths & 5ths. I was challenged by Let's Tune Up by John Travis to try the thirds approach. Having gone both ways, I find the 3rds approach better for me and there is some basis in objective physics for that to be true.

Now, I should be clear that there was a learning curve for me. If I had given up during that learning time, I might have concluded that it wasn't worthwhile. But it didn't take long. It's an approach that I commend to those who might like to try. If not, I know there are many good folk doing outstanding tunings using approaches that I don't.


Hi Keith,

The proposition is a mathematical certainty. The real issue is which method easier obtains the goal. Having learned both methods, you are in a better position to say than I.

Often I had this conversation with another tech at the store. He learned exclusively the "3rds" way, I the "5ths." It was like trying to communicate in an "unknown tongue." His tunings were very, very good. An equal part of this equation is application. His skills at setting the pins and the strings, were excellent as well.


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+14 is what is next !


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+14 is what is next !


Clearly another proponent of tuning 7ths and 9ths. cursing



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Originally Posted by Herr Weiss
Originally Posted by Olek

+11


Impossible!

In the domain of pure and applied mathematics, Number Theory shows that the Euclidean algorithm in quadratic reciprocity in its distribution of primes(variable integers)with or without the diophantine equations found in modular arithmetic(before the 19th Century), proves that nothing higher than +10 is allowed - this is called Finite Fields.

Of course, there will always be the naysayers, mostly Europeans and Asians, the so called "Young Turks", with their new ideas.
What's next?!? +12??? +13???


Oops sorry I was in binary mode there.. (or was it binaural?)


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