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Hello, i started to learn piano 6 moth ago and i would like to buy a DP.

I have a budget of 1500€ max (i live in france). for this price i can buy:

- roland FP50 at 1370€
- Kawai ES7 at 1390€
or the older Roland FP7-F at 1470€.

For me the most important is the keybed and the AP sound.

What is the best choice ?

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They're all good boards, however I would stick with either the ES7 or FP-80.

Which models have you tried so far, and what were your impressions of each model?

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I would be inclined to strike the FP-50 from your list and replace it with the FP-80. The FP-50 has an action that is somewhat compromised due to the size and weight requirements for that piano. It does not respond in the same way as the ES7 or the larger Rolands, which all feel more piano-like. Between the ES7 and FP-7F/FP-80 it's largely a matter of taste; I don't think you can go wrong with either.


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Sorry, James, my last post crossed with yours.


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Actually i have tried nothing because in my city they are not music shop....

The FP80 is too expensive for me (1799€).



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the difference of weight between the FP50 and ES7 is the type of keybed ?

the FP50 is about 16,5kg and the ES7 22kg.


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Originally Posted by stourot
the difference of weight between the FP50 and ES7 is the type of keybed ?

the FP50 is about 16,5kg and the ES7 22kg.

Perhaps, although it won't be solely due to the keybed, but the more important issue is the way the action is constructed. The Roland Ivory-feel G action is designed for boards that are shallow (front to back). As a result, the total length of the key from leading edge to pivot point is shorter than in their PHAIII action. This means that it's harder to play a note when your finger is positioned near the back of the key - you kind of have to force it down. Also, the G action does not respond as fluidly as either Kawai's RH2 action, or Roland's PHAII - you have to work harder, which may build finger strength, but can also make transitioning to an acoustic a little more difficult.


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I'm in a similar situation. What have you been learning on at home so far or do you not have anything at all? I've been using an unweighted keyboard for now which is ok just for learning the notes and moving my hands to different positions.

I had my teacher with me last time I went to the shops she slightly preferred the key action of the ES7 and Yamaha P-155 over the FP-80. She found the FP's action a bit light. She did however like Rolands Supernatural piano sound the best though (although that was more the Studio Grand on the RD700NX).

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FP-80 action

same situation as Enthusiast and stourot

ES7 vs FP-7F

Keyboard - slightly edge to ES7
Sound - FP-7F

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Originally Posted by stourot
Actually i have tried nothing because in my city they are not music shop....

The FP80 is too expensive for me (1799€).


Then the FP-7F is a good alternative. The changes in the newer FP-80 are mainly improved speakers, different (and better, IMO) electric piano sounds, and some new accompaniment features. One or two things were downgraded, such as the removal of 1/4-inch line inputs, and piano-lid control.

As I said before, either the ES7 or FP-7F will give you a board you can use for years as you develop technique and control.


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I had a workstation yamaha mox6 but 61 keys is not enough and the keybed too light.

I have no teacher, i played 15 years electric guitar and now i want to learn piano.

So before to buy something i must be sure of my choice.


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Finally i will buy it next month and i have two options:

- The Kawai ES7 at 1269€
- The Roland FP50 at 1399€

I cannot test them so it's dificult to decide...(i prefer the price of the kawai :-))

somdebody can help me in my choice ?

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Why cannot you not test the instruments before purchasing them?

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My vote for ES7

Besides, ES7 is closer to FP-80 than Fp-50, imo


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Originally Posted by stourot
Finally i will buy it next month and i have two options:

- The Kawai ES7 at 1269€
- The Roland FP50 at 1399€

ES7, then.

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Because no music store have the ES7 in my city (i live in france).

and i cannot make 500 km just to test.

Just for information i started piano 6 month ago.


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Perhaps you could contact the French distributor for Kawai (Hohner) or Roland (?) and ask for information regarding the nearest store to your location?

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On paper the ES7. But it's a mistake to buy without playing first. Make sure of you do, there is a trial period with free returns policy.

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I know its not good to buy without testing.

This the reason of my problem to choose...

I read forums, youtube etc...


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Originally Posted by stourot
Hello, i started to learn piano 6 moth ago and i would like to buy a DP.

I have a budget of 1500€ max (i live in france). for this price i can buy:

- roland FP50 at 1370€
- Kawai ES7 at 1390€
or the older Roland FP7-F at 1470€.

For me the most important is the keybed and the AP sound.

What is the best choice ?

thank you !

I've never played Kawai, but I hear very good things about them. Also in your price range you could get a very nice Casio PX-850 or if you want a stage piano the 5S and have some money to spare.

I own a Roland FP-7 (slightly older model than the one you're looking at) and I love the action of the keys. It's hard work, especially compared with the Yamaha you are used to playing. I wanted a DP that would make me work like my concert grand does. I like it, but not everyone wants a workhorse like that. This is why I'm suggesting the Kawai or Casio over the Roland. But if you want to strengthen your fingers, then a Roland might be better.

Either way you go, you will have a period of adjustment since the Yamaha is nothing like a piano (I just bought an MOX6 and love it!! But not for it's piano feel). And of course, anything you buy, you will adjust to eventually. since you can't test, you may have to be sure to buy something that has a good return policy so that you aren't stuck with it.


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