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robipiano #2050027 03/18/13 02:49 AM
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Wonder what the reviews will tell us of people who can try the Concert at the Messe.

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That would make sense: 1024 Kbit = 128 MB (fits exactly).

However it is indeed not common among instrument makers to give specs in Kbit instead of MB's. So if this is true , it is a real nasty misleading piece of marketing , although technically it may be listed correctly (if it is indeed Kb instead of MB).

The first grand preset sound quite good to my ears though, no matter how many MB's. Mostly because of the resonance effects.

Perhaps the base samples are not the most interesting part of a convincing AP sound, but a lot of it depends also on the 'acoustic effects' algorithms. E.g. the Kronos has a few good piano sample sets, but lacks good processing algorithms for smooth blending between velocity layers (that's we're PHI shines) and has no resonance effects at all, apart from damper resonance samples. That's we're it lacks in authencity and 'playability' , despite good long base samples.

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GB is gigabyte, Gb is gigabit. Which does Numa use to describe their sample size? (Not that that would be definitive, either... this is Numa we're talking about. I wouldn't necessarily count on typographic accuracy. But if they used Gb, that would lend support to the idea that they're talking about gigabits.)

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Which does Numa use to describe their sample size?

GB


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€ 1727 @ MusicStore - estimated delivery time ; 10th of April. (Although that date means nothing , cause MusicStore notoriously changes the expected dates all the time).

IMHO > € 1700 is pretty pricey. FP7F (and upcoming successor?) is in that range , and a VPC + extra controller for mod wheel and such is still cheaper as well. Of course you then have to add the computer in the equation, but most often people have a computer already anyway.

For < € 1500 it would be more interesting - at least to me. After all it's studio-logic, not Yamaha, Roland, Kawai ...or it has to be really really d... good. There's still way too limited info to judge that.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tXG5fixCKXU

Judging from his text it seems the piano sound will spill over to the Numa Piano in an upgrade. That also means it's probably indeed 1 Gbit (128MB), like in the Numa Piano and not GB.

Furthermore the local MusicStore price is € 1699 (incl 21% VAT), which is more than the list price in Italy for € 1499 (what's the tax in Italy ?)

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Thanks. Don't really likes what he plays (a normal classical piece please - instead of fake jazzy nonsense ?) , but I still like the sound !

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The sound appears much different than in the first video posted. Could be a question of recording and eq...


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Thanks. Don't really likes what he plays (a normal classical piece please - instead of fake jazzy nonsense ?) , but I still like the sound !
What's normal? You?


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Forget the word 'normal'

- just a few classical pieces that touch also the higher registers and different playing styles (low notes are almost always impressive on any DP - mid / high notes is where it becomes more difficult for the lesser models) .

P.S. the demo starts out just fine, but then it's followed by some smooth , mostly mid / low register improvised chord pressing. If you took offense in my remark (fake jazzy..) , that was not my intention. It's just more difficult to hear how a DP sound will hold up without proper real pieces being played - preferably some we all know well - instead of some of the 'demo's' we often hear.

Apart from that; simply demonstrating the capabilities by silent pressing and holding notes while playing others (sympathic resonance effect), playing + holding one or two high notes and let them fully decay naturally , playing a mid high chord repeatedly going from ppp to fff and other such examples give a nice impression too.

And for the record ; I'm not 'normal' , who is...?

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Originally Posted by JFP
If you took offense in my remark (fake jazzy..) , that was not my intention.
too late.


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This is more what I mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=V3XjI9e_kX4

Unfortunately completely distorted on the camera microphone ; but this tells much more about the capabilities of the DP. Now the same movie with direct audio recording and you have a very nice demo...

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The Italian demo sounds fine to me...

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Originally Posted by 36251
Originally Posted by JFP
If you took offense in my remark (fake jazzy..) , that was not my intention.
too late.

You need to apologize harder JFP! Say you love fake jazz - SAY IT!! wink

It doesn't sound bad in the videos - too bad SL pretty much blew it with me years ago. But we need larger sample sets to shake things up with the big boys.

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The sampling technology more advanced
The new sounds Concert Grand and Grand Stage are based on 1 GB of memory samples of very high quality, made respectively of two models of acoustic piano concert absolute reference, such as a Model D and an F 308, previously granted and tuned by one of the most renowned technical sector, preferred and required for many musicians worldwide.
The original samples of pianos and 88 include all the notes, recorded with high quality microphones, placed in 5 strategic points of the instrument. This was played with different dynamic levels. Then all samples were mixed on two tracks Master Stereo high resolution. Both sounds have 9 levels dynamics (ppp = from pianissimo to fortissimo = ffff) and the various levels are interpolated in real time with a complex system of cross-filtering, to reproduce as accurately as all the nuances dynamic timbre, and thus make the performance more expressive as possible, with seals, the most delicate and intimate, the most aggressive, always with the maximum dynamic control.

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The DSP works with a clock speed of 300 MHz, which allows for incredible performance of 2400 MIPS (millions of instructions per second), corresponding to 1800 MFLOPS (millions of floating point operations per second), these figures allow a maximum total latency (delay between the button down and the sound generated), from 4.5 to 6 milliseconds, virtually undetectable under all conditions of execution.

Impressive.

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Originally Posted by dewster
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If you took offense in my remark (fake jazzy..) , that was not my intention.
too late.

You need to apologize harder JFP! Say you love fake jazz - SAY IT!! wink


I'm sorry ...I'm sorry ...I'm sorry (OK ?) !!

By the way - I tried to explain what I think are good examples to demonstrate the capabilities of the sound engine IMHO. In the other youtube video I found, there are a few of those examples where he demonstrates some of these features (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=V3XjI9e_kX4). Unfortunately bad audio recording quality.

The first video demo DOES indeed sound OK - I've also restated several times I like the sound of the NUMA - but it misses a few examples that show more of what the Numa can really do. Anyway we'll probably hear more of the Numa Concert the coming weeks ..., like it so far.

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Originally Posted by 36251
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Thanks. Don't really likes what he plays (a normal classical piece please - instead of fake jazzy nonsense ?) , but I still like the sound !
What's normal? You?

Ha ha. I had similar thoughts. But anyway wasn't it improvisation? Important skill to learn, one day. .

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Originally Posted by JFP
I'm sorry ...I'm sorry ...I'm sorry (OK ?) !!

That's better. We obviously have a highly esteemed fake jazz dignitary visiting this site, and the whole world is watching.

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I don't know how often I can repeat I may have used an excessive verdict in my sentence (sorry again ?). But to my own defense what I mostly meant is that smooth low / mid chords phrases may not expose the full richness of a certain piano model or cover up problematic regions. Therefore I said I didn't like what he was playing (after the initial classical bit). It was not primarily a musical verdict, but more that I'd rather hear other kind of demo's to hear all the details of the DP. I should have put in in another way obviously ;-)

IMHO on almost any DP some forte note in the bass range sounds impressive. Some smooth playing in the mid range as well. That's why you hear that so very often in so many demo's I think.

And indeed I originally come from a classical background, not Jazz. So what do I know about jazz or improvisation...mea culpa.

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Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2DiTQ-EOgM

Not bad at all! Would love to try that wooden keybed combined with that new Steinway D and Bosendorfer/Fazioli sample they claim to have included in this board.


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