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I ran across this video recently which got me wondering. It's a youngster playing the entire g minor ballade in about 8 minutes flat. Even Martha Argerich's rendition (the shortest I'd ever heard until this point) is about 8 and a half minutes. The playing is a mixed bag, and I find it very rushed overall (although I'm still jealous of some of his technical ability).
What's the shortest rendition you've heard (and maybe the longest too, for some contrast) and what length do you think works best?

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It's awful in my opinion.
And - whats' the reason of speed?
Piano it's not Formula1 race.

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Obviously it's this one:



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Hahahaha nice try laugh

I meant FULL performance.

And kapelli, I didn't say faster was better! I was just wondering about the range of speeds used for this piece. That's all. smile


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Originally Posted by kapelli
It's awful in my opinion. And - whats' the reason of speed? Piano it's not Formula1 race.
Just probably a high school or college kid playing in a high school or college talent show. He plays much better than most(I'd guess 95%)students his age by a lot.

I find your criticism far too harsh (even to the extreme of being mean spirited) and also unfounded. There's very few teachers out there, except perhaps those teaching only very advanced students at conservatories, who wouldn't enjoy having someone like that as a pupil. He's obviously musical, serious, and far more talented and accomplished than most his age. Even though this was a public video and wasn't posted in the PW member's recordings there's no reason to be so negative.

Criticism like the above is IMO a perfect example of not considering the age and type of student when offering criticism. This was not a person auditioning for an advanced program at Curtis.

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Originally Posted by Sam Rose
I was just wondering about the range of speeds used for this piece.
The extreme speeds, either fast or slow, are not so important I think as a range of speeds in the middle by the best professional pianists.

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Actually this performance is really a great accomplishment.
I enjoyed listening to it.

Considering the nature of a live performance, IMO a bit rushing is almost expected, if the player is not that experienced performing on stage.

That said, this young player didn't played any section uncontrollably. In fact his all technical passages were convincing. His musicality was good too. Apparently he is talented.

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Originally Posted by Sam Rose
And kapelli, I didn't say faster was better! I was just wondering about the range of speeds used for this piece. That's all. smile


The range is enormous. Some of my favorite performances, like Moravec's, are over 10 minutes. Some are closer to 8.

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I can't see any reason for any work to be rushed... Or be discussed on how fast the performer(s) went... :-/ sorry...

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This performance is definitely the shortest I've ever heard, but it felt like the longest. eek

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This performance is definitely the shortest I've ever heard, but it felt like the longest. eek
Another gratuitous insult.

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Friedrich Gulda is the shortest I have at 7:56. Cortot at 8:28 and 8:39. Gavrilov at 8:50. Horowitz at 8:51. Ashkenazy at 8:57. Arrau, Janus, and Rubinstein at about 9:20. Zimerman at 9:39 and Horowitz again at 9:42

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Originally Posted by Hakki

That said, this young player didn't play any section uncontrollably. In fact his all technical passages were convincing. His musicality was good too. Apparently he is talented.

+1. I would agree very much.

At least Argerich has not been bashed in this thread. Yes, I feel that her performance is rather rushed, but IMO she does not ever play badly.


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Cortot's first recording (1926), complete with the odd mishap as well as his inimitable elastic rhythm, comes in around 7:57.

But the shortest I've found is by Alexander Brailowsky at 7:35, viz:
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL45489FA83DCF5207

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My hat's off to the guy for his level of technical accomplishment. Heck, I can't get past about the 50th measure.


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Originally Posted by JoelW
This performance is definitely the shortest I've ever heard, but it felt like the longest. eek
Another gratuitous insult.


No, not an insult. Just the truth. Very talented guy no doubt, but his tempo is at times unbearable to listen to for me, making it very boring. This of course is just a minor issue. With a good teacher (heck even a mediocre one), he could fix up these messy tempi and it would be a lot better.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by JoelW
This performance is definitely the shortest I've ever heard, but it felt like the longest. eek
Another gratuitous insult.


No, not an insult. Just the truth. Very talented guy no doubt, but his tempo is at times unbearable to listen to for me, making it very boring. This of course is just a minor issue. With a good teacher (heck even a mediocre one), he could fix up these messy tempi and it would be a lot better.
Your comment that I quoted was sarcastic and, to me, sounded quite mean spirited and arrogant. How would you feel if you posted a recording and someone else made the same comment?

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Originally Posted by JoelW
This performance is definitely the shortest I've ever heard, but it felt like the longest. eek
Another gratuitous insult.


No, not an insult. Just the truth. Very talented guy no doubt, but his tempo is at times unbearable to listen to for me, making it very boring. This of course is just a minor issue. With a good teacher (heck even a mediocre one), he could fix up these messy tempi and it would be a lot better.
Your comment that I quoted was sarcastic and, to me, sounded quite mean spirited and arrogant. How would you feel if you posted a recording and someone else made the same comment?


There's no ill intent in my comment, but I should have included my explanation ^^ in the same post. It looks like a gratuitous insult, but it isn't. So I apologize if any feelings were hurt.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
This performance is definitely the shortest I've ever heard, but it felt like the longest. eek
Another gratuitous insult.


No, not an insult. Just the truth. Very talented guy no doubt, but his tempo is at times unbearable to listen to for me, making it very boring. This of course is just a minor issue. With a good teacher (heck even a mediocre one), he could fix up these messy tempi and it would be a lot better.
Your comment that I quoted was sarcastic and, to me, sounded quite mean spirited and arrogant. How would you feel if you posted a recording and someone else made the same comment?

Fortunately, the video wasn't actually posted by the performer - and I doubt he has any idea it is being discussed here.


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