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Could anyone let me know whether the following scores use urtext? I am trying to find urtext scores for learners for the following.

1. The Well-Tempered Clavier (Alfred Masterwork Editions) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0882848313
2. Ludwig Van Beethoven Complete Piano Sonatas Volume 1 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486231348

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The Beethoven is supposed to be. I do not know about the Bach, but an urtext edition of the Bach may not be appropriate for some students.


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Bach: No. Though it is one of the better edited versions out there. I use it in tandem with the Henle Urtext.

Beethoven: Ditto. Ditto. Ditto

I recommend that you get the Henle fingered edition - or if you're brave, the Barenreiter unfingered edition - for the Bach. For Beethoven: The Barry Cooper Urtext edition published by Universal.

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I think an urtext type edition of Bach and Beethoven is inappropriate for most students . Better is a good edited version where the editor's markings are distinguishable from the composer's markings.

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The Bach is certainly not Urtext, but all the editing - of which there is a considerable amount - is done is light-grey text with the original text in black. There are very helpful introductory notes on sources, ornamentation, phrasing and articulation, rhythmic conventions in Baroque performance, as well as discussions about Preludes, Fugues and the unity of the pairings. Much of this is of more interest to the scholar or the more advanced musician than to the student unfamiliar with Bach or with Baroque music.

What may be helpful to the student in this edition is that all ornaments are written out above the score in grey type showing exactly, note for note, how they should be executed.

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Even urtext editions may have sections which do not indicate what the composer actually wrote. There are a number of realizations which may not be indicated as such. I think it is important to know that those realizations are there, so you know that what is written is not the only possibility.


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Furthermore, all "urtext" means is "original text."

However, the "original" could be the composer's autograph, the composer's proofs, the copyist's manuscript, a corrected proof, a first edition, etc...

That's why even "urtext" editions often contain critical notes explaining which sources were consulted, why certain choices were made, and alternate readings of the texts.


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