2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad) Piano Sight Reading
train piano sight reading with your iPhone or iPad
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
68 members (anotherscott, BlakeOR, bluebilly, Bach_ingMaddie, Buzz209, agoode, A. Lucato, c++, 11 invisible), 1,090 guests, and 525 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
#1875480 04/08/12 07:39 AM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 67
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 67
Which way does your grand piano sound the best to you? Lid up, down, or in the middle? Music desk up, down, or removed?


Alfred Knight 30113
Schimmel K213 361426
[Linked Image]
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,312
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,312
I keep my lid down most of the time, with the fly-lid folded back and music desk on with music on it.

I do like all the sound I get with the lid up and music desk removed, but it is not often I play it that way. usually after a tuning, since the music desk is removed then anyway.

On my former baby grand, I usually played with the lid up on the tall stick most of the time. But I always closed the lid at night or when not playing. I kept the fly-lid folded back most all the time except when closing it up completely.

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 6,580
6000 Post Club Member
Offline
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 6,580
Depends on the piano and the room - my new Bechstein sounds best fully open, the Steinway on the short stick, the Baldwin closed, and my colleague's K213 closed. They all sound better to the player with the music desk removed.


Pianist, teacher, apprentice technician, internet addict.
Piano Review Editor - Acoustic and Digital Piano Buyer
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,386
K
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
K
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,386
Originally Posted by terminaldegree
They all sound better to the player with the music desk removed.


One of several important reasons to try pianos out with memorized music.


Keith D Kerman
PianoCraft
Rebuilding & Sales - vintage and used Steinway, Mason & Hamlin
New Steingraeber, Estonia, Baldwin
www.pianocraft.net
check out www.sitkadoc.com/ and www.vimeo.com/203188875
www.youtube.com/user/pianocraftchannel

keith@pianocraft.net 888-840-5460
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,476
j&j Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,476
I open mine all the way when I'm going to practice and have a few minutes spare to open it. In the morning, I practice for 30 minutes or so before I leave for work, I only open the music desk with the fly-lid back. When I'm not playing I close it completely to keep out dust (as much as possible in the desert Southwest). I've played it with the music desk up, down, and removed, and couldn't really hear much difference. That might not be truly objective since memorizing pieces is one of my big weaknesses.

I never really appreciated the short stick position. If I'm going to go to the trouble of lifting the lid, why would I only do it part way?

Slightly OT, but when I watch a performance on TV that includes a large grand piano, why is the lid always closed? Is the piano mic'd and that's how it sounds best? Why would an artist perform with a closed concert grand? Has the tall stick position become obsolete? On the rare occasion I've gotten to play a 9' grand, I wanted to hear and feel all of that fabulous sound.


J & J
Estonia L190 Hidden Beauty
Casio Privia PX-330
My piano’s voice is beautiful!
[Linked Image]
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 29,664
B
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
B
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 29,664
Mine sound best when someone else plays them.


Semipro Tech
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,312
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,312
Originally Posted by BDB
Mine sound best when someone else plays them.

I've noticed that about mine too. laugh

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 67
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 67
I like the sound of my K213 the best with the lid fully open or on the 8" stick with the music desk off. Most of the time I have it on the 8" stick with the music desk down. When I put the desk up, it seems to deaden the sound little.
Unfortunately, it takes me a while to memorize a piece so the desk is up more than I would like. frown


Alfred Knight 30113
Schimmel K213 361426
[Linked Image]
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 85
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 85
I keep mine fully open with the music desk down if I am playing just for myself.
When others are listening, I put the music desk up...now that I think about it, I'm not even sure why I do it that way. I like the sound better with the lid all the way up though.


Schumann Grand by Samick (1990)
Howard Grand by Baldwin (1941)
Yamaha Clavanova Digital
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,676
P
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
P
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,676
Depends on the piano and the room. At home, it sounds best with the music rack taken off and on half stick with the cover on. Another C2 I play somewhat regularly sounds best with everything (cover, music rack) taken off and opened up the whole way.

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 137
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 137
When I practice, I open the fly-lid only.

When I have some time to spare, or want just to relax playing old stuff I know, I open the lid only on the short stick,

And if I want to play strong, loud music, I open the lid on the long stick.

I always fully close the piano when not in use.

BTW, I just had a felt keyboard cover made, with the piano name embroided on it, and it looks just beautiful. I don't really know if it is of any good. The last 40 or so years that I can remember, this piano never had one before. Looks great though smile


Rodolfo Grunberger
Piano amateur
Gebrüder Knake Grand, 7'1", circa 1895
Celaya, Mexico
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 51
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 51
Personally, my baby grand sounds best with the lid up. Results may vary for different people. Though, it makes it so that I am able to clearly hear what I am playing.


"Just practice diligently and you will do very well. You have five fingers on each hand just as healthy as mine."
~ J.S. Bach
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,922
D
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,922
My Bluthner sounds best with the lid up, and that is how I play it. But I close it when the piano is not in use. When my piano was built, half-sticks had not been invented yet!

The music desk does not make any significant difference to the sound. Possibly that is an advantage of a fretted music desk which is basically a pretty pattern with a lot of holes. It is nice also to be able to see through the music desk.

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 672
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 672
I'm always on the fence about this question. I have 3 stick lengths, and I think the middle one sounds nice for now. Full stick sounds good too, but it can get a little overwhelming since it's a fairly large piano in a small room.


Kawai RX-6 BLAK
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,127

Unobtanium Supporter until Jun 020 2020
3000 Post Club Member
Offline

Unobtanium Supporter until Jun 020 2020
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,127
Full stick, always. OTOH, I don't have enough memorized yet to want to play much without the music desk. smile


[Linked Image]

"The great thing about music is if the plane goes down, everyone walks away."

-- David Bowie
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 643
C
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 643
My daughter let me play her Steinway L while she lived with us. It always sounded best with the lid down and the key cover closed, unless she was playing it. Then, lip up on top setting. We both kept the music rack on the piano. She was always learning new music for gigs. I just have no memory at all. Even Mary Had a Little Lamb. Or was it a pig?


Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Distance of Grand Piano from wall
by Damien PG - 06/19/21 11:20 AM
Insomniac pianists
by Emery Wang - 06/19/21 10:56 AM
First digital piano - F-701 vs P515
by Sebeto - 06/19/21 09:52 AM
Why do great concert halls buy new?
by Ppianissimo - 06/19/21 09:35 AM
Kawai MP11SE successor thoughts
by Quatschmacher - 06/19/21 09:35 AM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics207,603
Posts3,105,153
Members101,857
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers

Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | MapleStreetMusicShop.com - Our store in Cornish Maine


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5