2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
84 members (brdwyguy, AlphaBravoCharlie, Bruce In Philly, antune, 36251, 22 invisible), 1,445 guests, and 599 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,439
7000 Post Club Member
Offline
7000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,439
Originally Posted by Mike Carr

As has been noted, there may be more variables in Petrof’s quality control vs. Estonia’s, I don’t know, there seems to be that perception, but many of these variables can be overcome by dealer prep.


The difference between "many" and all was a thorny issue for me in shopping a Petrof IV a few years ago. Since I was shopping for someone else and not for myself, action variables were of particular concern.

I found a new P IV locally that was priced at 40% of Ryan's quote, but the action was sluggish, uneven, and frustrating to play. I don't 'love' Petrof pianos, but the intended owner did, and I liked the P IV model well enough. I did love the prices available at that time due to a combination of marketing factors, so I paid my own tech $150 to inspect that new piano in the showroom as found. The retailer was unwilling to put a dime into the piano since he was selling so cheap and discontinuing the brad. My tech did not conclude that the action simply needed more attention to prep. He questioned the long-range outlook based on action design. I was also aware of other tech opinions of Petrof actions thaat were more of a red flag nature than deficiencies in prep -- comments similar to those that have been made by Steve Jackson, a Toronto-based tech, who posts on this forum. Maybe I ran scared out of ignorance, but ultimately if you don't know pianos inside and out, you have to trust someone. I had used my tech for a number of years. I trusted him. I moved on.

Later I came across a sample that was dialed in to what I think the P IV's capabilities are. Ironically, the retailer made no boastful claims whatsoever about his painstaking attention to prep. This P IV was not in my local market, or in the local market of the person I was shopping for, but we worked through the logistics and she managed to audition the piano. She liked it. The decision was easy and after close to three years of ownership in a teaching studio she has no complaints. The price paid was still less than half of Ryan's current market quote, so at the time and now in retrospect, I feel it was a good decision.

I don't disagree with anything in your post, but my own experience auditioning Petrofs is similar to Apple's report that "the Petrofs are nice but are so variable."


Will Johnny Come Marching Home?
The fate of the modern wartime soldier
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 120
T
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
T
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 120
I bought an Estonia 168 (used) about 9 months ago and am very happy with it---especially for the price I paid and the need to stay in a certain budget for my financial well being!

I played a Petrof several years ago, and liked it as well.

Bottom line----buy what you like best, what fits your budget, and has a good dealer behind you for delivery, prep work, tuning, and warranty issues if they come up!

If you're like me, you will always find one you may like a little better----it will probably be bigger; but your budget is important too these days! If you have a great dealer behind you, you can get the option to trade in on a longer (bigger) piano in the future with a great trade in price on the one you may buy now.

Best wishes in you piano purchase, I hope you end up with what you like the best, and it doesn't cost you more than you can go! Happy Holidays!


Estonia 168 Bubinga Polish, Yamaha CP300 Stage Piano, Kawai Console
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 15,618
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 15,618
Tur:

Quote
Make your sales pitch to him. I'm not in the market for a piano or for your pitch.


I don't think anybody would be suspecting you being in the market for anything.

If OP sees fit he can publish my private pm to him, anybody could judge how much of a *pitch* I made to him.

Sorry, if this should disappoint you or your sense of the world order...

cheers,

Norbert smile

Last edited by Norbert; 12/08/11 09:44 PM.

www.heritagepianos.com
Greater Vancouver B.C. piano dealers for : Estonia, Brodmann, Ritmuller
604-951-8642
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,106
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,106
Best wishes with your piano purchase and settling on a price that you can afford with your interest in the Estonia168.

----------------
note to turandot:

Well it didn't take you very long to get right back in to deriding others here on PW, here in this thread, with your sarcastic, pompous attitude.
Great display of courage calling me a 'bloody coward' on another thread yesterday. I'm choosing to respond here so you won't have to rely on your email informant.

You may have lots of piano/industry knowledge and admirers here, but when you resort to belittling others whenever it suits your agenda, no wonder you hide from using a real name.
And you profess to be an educator and teacher. An educator/teacher/writer who gives no source to their written word, meanwhile taking pleasure in ridiculing others that offer their opinions.

According to your profile you have a strong dislike of music (melophobia) and are into exorcism. Are you sure you're on the right forum?

To quote you : You can fuss, fume, make lame excuses, and post whatever other nonsense is on your mind.
Well if you feel the need to do so further , send me a PM and spare the forum from your vitriol.

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,159
L
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,159
Originally Posted by Dara

You may have lots of piano/industry knowledge and admirers here, but when you resort to belittling others whenever it suits your agenda, no wonder you hide from using a real name.
And you profess to be an educator and teacher. An educator/teacher/writer who gives no source to their written word, meanwhile taking pleasure in ridiculing others that offer their opinions.


That sounds very familiar and brings to mind one other person here on PW.

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 11,678
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 11,678
Originally Posted by Dara
note to turandot:

Well it didn't take you very long to get right back in to deriding others here on PW, here in this thread, with your sarcastic, pompous attitude.
Turandot's posts here are well known. Still, I'd rather read her's than Mike Carr's. [Linked Image]

Let's give thanks for the small things this Christmas season.


"If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to."
MSU - the university of Michigan!
Wheels
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,439
7000 Post Club Member
Offline
7000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,439
Dear Dara and Point Eighy-five.

It's always so nice to hear from you boys and know that you're doing so well in the advisin' busines. That Ryan seemed like a nice man, but I didn't know what to say to him. I'm so glad you could help him out with his questions. All I can say is that you boys have done me proud.

Keep up the good work,

You Auntie T



Will Johnny Come Marching Home?
The fate of the modern wartime soldier
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,159
L
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,159
Originally Posted by turandot
Dear Dara and Point Eighy-five.

It's always so nice to hear from you boys and know that you're doing so well in the advisin' busines. That Ryan seemed like a nice man, but I didn't know what to say to him. I'm so glad you could help him out with his questions. All I can say is that you boys have done me proud.

Keep up the good work,

You Auntie T




Font: Comic Sans MS
Text: Sans Comic MS

Not amused, Auntie.

Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Yamaha 515-P... sounds bad or it's just me???
by Riccardo92 - 07/28/21 06:23 PM
Rachmaninoff anyone? I'm having so much fun!
by gooddog - 07/28/21 06:21 PM
Yamaha 515-P... sounds bad or it's just me???
by Riccardo92 - 07/28/21 06:10 PM
Plan Ahead! 2022 Themed Recitals
by Sam S - 07/28/21 04:37 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics208,265
Posts3,117,115
Members102,261
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers

Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | MapleStreetMusicShop.com - Our store in Cornish Maine


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5