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Originally Posted by Pinipon
Originally Posted by TADutchman

develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md.


very good idea and quite big challange...

Thanks for your positive feedback, so this means that you have accepted the challenge? cool (no stress, as there's no time limit)

If you happen to need some ideas/directions for new and original sounds, just let me know, there's still plenty of ground to cover. Other CA93/CA63 owners may have some special requests too! smile


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Let's come down the mountain again, remove that oxygen mask and take off those A-brand sunglasses for some good old character upright sound! Do you want to obtain an even more authentic, warm & deep upright tone? Just switch to the second layering option and half close the lid. whistle cool


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: none


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Originally Posted by TADutchman
Originally Posted by Pinipon
Originally Posted by TADutchman

develop two new and original sounding high-quality dual voice presets for every section of the presets list provided by ripe_md.


very good idea and quite big challange...

Thanks for your positive feedback, so this means that you have accepted the challenge? cool (no stress, as there's no time limit)

If you happen to need some ideas/directions for new and original sounds, just let me know, there's still plenty of ground to cover. Other CA93/CA63 owners may have some special requests too! smile


I can't promise to create presets for every section, but at least for piano, e.piano and organ sections.

I will start with 2 pianos:

First, I would like to create a sonority that remember me my college time when I played a 6' foot Schimmel with some friends on a piano bar... we spent more than many nights wink over that piano: quite bright, very percussive hammers, strong wood soundboard - I think the strings are very close to the soundboard because the decay are not so long as in other grand piano brends - that causes reduced impedance and increase much sympathetic resonances, the overall tone is slightly muffled, powerfull basses (but not very "deep"), very good dynamics as any grand and well playable but mf - p transitions some difficult to control because of the bright tones.

The second piano, will be for fun, something like my very first piano: a magnificent 2 octaves micro upright grin , fully wooden, action based on hard springs making very simple hammers bang tuned steel bars (not bells, not strings wink ). The tone is something between a piano and a xylophone grin smokin unfortunately I don't have this piano any more because it was destroyed in an accident, but I keep in mind so many good memories...

I will start to working on it and give my first draft soon...

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Originally Posted by Pinipon
I will start to working on it and give my first draft soon...

That's the spirit! thumb


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Small winter warmifying update / fix: wink


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R1.1

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: none


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No reason, but suddenly it's partytime! grin yippie


VIBRAPHONIC FUN R1.0

Dual Voice: Vibraphone, volume 7 + Marimba, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright 2
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Tremolo, speed 5, depth 8

Rhythm: 2nd line, 120bpm


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Refurbished model: whistle


SINGER-SONGWRITER PIANO R2.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano 2, volume 5 + Concert Grand/Concert Grand 2, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Room 2

Effect: Tremolo, rate 1, depth 1


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Let's get up close & personal: this currently is my favorite go-to piano sound. Its rather dark, direct and warm analog character can draw you deep into the music. This is the organic sound I 'almost' managed to do 5 years ago by supplementing The Grand (R1.0 at the time) with a load of analog style effects, but now the CA93/CA63 really makes it possible without even adding an effect, very pure! cool Warning: cheap headphones / oversensitive ears may not like this level of natural cabinet saturation. wink


PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

Dual Voice: Pop Piano, volume 2 + Mellow Grand, volume 8

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open lid), mellow1 (half open lid), mellow2 (closed lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: heavy
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: none


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I'm in a funny mood today, so let's continue the OT series of jokes about musicians (last time it was about violin players):

What do you say to a guitar player in a 3-piece suit?
"Will the defendant please rise ..." grin


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How about this one:
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"Mommy! Mommy! When I grow up I want to be a guitar player!"
"No Johnny, you can't do both!"

Sorry, dear guitarists...

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Why are so many guitarists jokes one liners ?
So the rest of the band can understand them

Ouch to us keyboardists!

This one is nice:

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C, E-flat and G go into a bar. The bartender says, "Sorry, we don't serve minors," and E-flat leaves. C and G have an open fifth between them and after a few drinks, G is out flat. F comes in and tries to augment the situation, but is not sharp enough. D comes into the bar and heads straight for the bathroom saying, "Excuse me, I'll just be a second."

A comes into the bar, but the bartender is not convinced that this relative of C is not a minor and sends him out. Then the bartender notices a B-flat hiding at the end of the bar and shouts, "Get out now. You're the seventh minor I've found in this bar tonight."

Next night, E-flat, not easily deflated, comes into the bar in a 3-piece suit with nicely shined shoes. The bartender (who used to have a nice corporate job until his company downsized) says: "You're looking pretty sharp tonight. Come on in. This could be a major development." And in fact, E-flat takes off his suit and everything else and stands there au naturel. Eventually, C, who had passed out under the bar the night before, begins to sober up and realizes in horror that he's under a rest.

So, C goes to trial, is convicted of contributing to the diminution of a minor and sentenced to 10 years of DS without Coda at an up scale correctional facility. The conviction is overturned on appeal, however, and C is found innocent of any wrongdoing, even accidental, and that all accusations to the contrary are bassless.

The bartender decides, however, that since he's only had tenor so patrons, the soprano out in the bathroom and everything has become alto much treble, he needs a rest and closes the bar.


All from http://www.ducksdeluxe.com/jokes.html


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I've listened to TADutchman's advice and bought a pair of Sennheiser HD-595s. I am really amazed by the clarity and the exceptional sound quality. I never believed there could be such a difference between cheap and good headphones. The CA63 really sings now! Thank you TADutchman! thumb Besides, now I can hear your presets the same way you hear them. You are right - I tried some of the most popular presets and the phasey effect is now reduced to the point it's barely noticeable! I'll have to go through most of the presets and re-evaluate them for myself.

But what you have created lastly is absolutely superb!
Originally Posted by TADutchman
Let's get up close & personal
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PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

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That's one really close and intimate woody sound! Deep, dark, close, full-bodied, woody, soft, powerful, there so much in it! Perfect for dark Chopin stuff. Thank you again! It's my new favorite preset thumb

I think the "Mellow Grand" is a good starting point. I tried myself to come up with something interesting based on it but with no success frown However I believe you can produce many other excellent presets around it. Keep on with the good job!


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I've listened to TADutchman's advice and bought a pair of Sennheiser HD-595s. I am really amazed by the clarity and the exceptional sound quality. I never believed there could be such a difference between cheap and good headphones. The CA63 really sings now! Thank you TADutchman! thumb

You're welcome, CyberGene! Great to hear you're excited about your new HD595s. cool


Originally Posted by CyberGene
But what you have created lastly is absolutely superb!
Originally Posted by TADutchman
Let's get up close & personal
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PURE ANALOG STYLE PIANO R1.0

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That's one really close and intimate woody sound! Deep, dark, close, full-bodied, woody, soft, powerful, there so much in it! Perfect for dark Chopin stuff. Thank you again! It's my new favorite preset thumb

Excellent, so now it's confirmed that I've finally tackled that much anticipated Chopin sound. smile
Watch out Beethoven, you're next! shocked wink


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People, nothing radical this time, 'just' a new Concert Grand: whistle


KAWAI CONCERT ARTIST R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 3 + Concert Grand, volume 7

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: heavy / normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7

Reverb: Hall 2 / Stage

Effect: Delay 1, time 1, depth 1



This preset addresses the following points, without dramatically wanting to change the basic timbre of the standard Concert Grand (which so many people happen to like):

* Better hammer attack feel and improved dynamic range
* More advanced damper half pedalling control and soft pedal colouring
* Real Soundboard bass response and better midrange tonality
* More involving sympathetic resonance and discant behaviour
* Improved brilliance and concert hall experience



Just for fun I've made spectral pan views of about 12 seconds duration playing note C4 (no sustain pedal), showing changes in:

* Short attack transient complexity (non-linear richness in high volume part)
* Long decay transient dynamics (not depicted: with fully pressed sustain pedal both presets have a dynamic decay)
* Stereo Image (pretty wide, clearly not suited to combine stereo to mono)



Single voice mode CA63/CA93 Concert Grand factory preset:
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Dual voice mode KAWAI CONCERT ARTIST R1.0 custom preset:
[Linked Image]


Of course the proof is in the eating of the pudding. Enjoy your meal! smile


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Some time ago, I posted a link to an in-depth MP10 review in this thread.
Why not do something similar for the MP6 too? wink Well okay then, here's a rather personal MP6 (re-)view from the US:

http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2011/01/kawai-mp6-digital-piano-awesome-piano.html


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FYI:
I've updated the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets List with TADutchman's latest creations.

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Originally Posted by ripe_md
I've updated the Kawai CA93/CA63 Custom Dual Voice Mode Presets List with TADutchman's latest creations.

Thanks, ripe_md. Did I mention that the layout looks great? It really does! cool


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I think the "Mellow Grand" is a good starting point... I believe you can produce many other excellent presets around it. Keep on with the good job!
Allright, CyberGene, that's a correct observation for a certain range of interesting harmonics. Will do, at your service. wink

During 'the mother of all battles', the CA93/CA63 has been accused of having a slightly too fast note decay, right? Well, my stopwatch must be broken, because I just measured a record-breaking lowest note duration of something like 80 seconds!!! (your ears' mileage may vary) This can be perceived as seemingly neverending, because the extremely slow decaying transition to absolute silence is literally inaudible. This is the opposite compared to e.g. old skool (non-dithered) 16-bit recordings, where the sonic fade-out artifacts are often obnoxious i.m.h.o...
Shortly after this thread has passed the milestone of 50000 views, I hereby thankfully present something special to you all: eek crazy shocked cry tiki grin



THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 4

Last edited by TADutchman; 03/10/11 01:04 PM. Reason: lighter voice variations added

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Oh yeah, why not add some spectral pan views for demonstration purposes (note: this is a single C4 note, so without any significant sympathetic resonance): whistle


Single voice mode CA63/CA93 Concert Grand factory preset with Mellow Grand voice:
[Linked Image]

Dual voice mode THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0 custom preset:
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By the way, with only a slight adjustment it also sounds exceptional in a smaller (T60) and brighter reverberating Concert Hall environment: cool


THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R1.0 - HALL 1 EDITION

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 9
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 2

Last edited by TADutchman; 03/10/11 01:05 PM. Reason: lighter voice variations added

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Call me stupid, but this is for the very first time that I'm actually applying dual voice mode according to an 'intended use' standard protocol which is valid for almost any DP (except for layer dynamics and dynamic voicing): piano + strings. laugh smile


GRAND STRINGS ENSEMBLE R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 5 + Slow Strings, volume 5

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +4, mid +6, high +4
1 - 8 Damper hold: On

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 4

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 4, depth 4


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Optimised balance for even more singing resonances and integrated custom touch option (between heavy and normal): cool


THE MOTHER OF ALL D GRANDS R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2 / Concert Grand / Pop Piano / Modern Piano, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +5, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 9
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 7
2 - 5 Touch: normal / factory custom 2 (between normal & heavy touch)
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: wide / normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 2, depth 4

Last edited by TADutchman; 03/22/11 05:06 AM. Reason: touch setting options

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