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Originally Posted by Dave Horne

Since I've made my living by performing, you know, by playing in real time on a piano with real people listening - and paying to listen, somehow I thought that excluded me as being labeled a poser. Perhaps I'm wrong though.


well, people are paying for the dinner, music is just a background for better digestion... Have you ever played recital with 80% of your original material where people paid just for music???

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Originally Posted by motif
Originally Posted by Dave Horne

Since I've made my living by performing, you know, by playing in real time on a piano with real people listening - and paying to listen, somehow I thought that excluded me as being labeled a poser. Perhaps I'm wrong though.


well, people are paying for the dinner, music is just a background for better digestion... Have you ever played recital with 80% of your original material where people paid just for music???


motif, you know, you have a very quiet profile. It's so quiet that no one has heard you.

Please provide us with .... something.

motif, delirium, Robert Urban - where is your CV?, your mp3's?, your YouTube's? .... quiet, very quiet.

Again, as always, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you. laugh




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There are many classes of professionals and many classes of amateur. If the definitive definition is accepted to be separating those who make an income from performing (professional), and those who do not (amateur), these are my observations from my experience as an amateur, knowing a few professional classical pianists.

A professional will have every skill at a high level that amateurs may not have. These include sightreading, memorization, and a knowledge of a wide repertoire, among other things. The professional may not necessarily produce a better finished product than some amateurs, but he/she must have these skills. Many professionals also have a good organizational ability and a talent for self-promotion. If the professional is a soloist, they will need the requisite skills to play major repertoire. If the professional is mainly engaged in accompaniment, or possibly ensemble, he/she may be less capable than some amateurs in playing very virtuosic pieces.

Finally, the professional will have had the experience of performing starting as a child, even if only in small town recitals for a local teacher. This performance experience will, by the time he/she enters a professional career, set his skills on a different plane.

IMO musical sensitivity, "art," or other subjective measures have less to do with the distinction between amateur and professional than the skills that can be quantified.

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You guys sound like a bunch of immature middle school kids on the playground. Keep it up, it's hilarious to read though.

In response to the OPs question:

Pros get paid, amateurs don't. It's as simple as that.


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Originally Posted by Dave Horne

Again, as always, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you. laugh


only counts who is laughing last.

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Originally Posted by motif
Originally Posted by Dave Horne

Again, as always, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you. laugh


only counts who is laughing last.


You provide us with proof that you actually can play and I'll take back everything I ever wrote about you.

You can't provide us with a small sample of ......... ANYTHING? smile ...... ANYTHING?

It doesn't even have to be a mp3, it can be a midi file that you can tweak, polish, and bring up to tempo. ANYTHING!

It's bad enough you hide behind various names, it's simply amusing how you continue to avoid providing us a sample of your creative mind.


ANYTHING? smile


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Amateurs don't get paid for it. And perhaps if you can play well enough to be a professional then consecutively you become one.

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A professional has to produce the goods each and every time: unless you're already a big name (and even if you are) you're only as good as your last concert. Once the audience starts dwindling or you get bad reviews one after the other, the engagements dry up. And unless you're Michelangeli or Argerich, you can't just cancel because you don't like the hall or the piano or the weather or the smell of the audience or...

In other words, you have to be at the top of your form all the time, and never miss out on your practising. An amateur plays to suit himself; he doesn't have to please anyone else. Hence he can splatter wrong/missed notes all over the place (cf the quote I posted earlier) and only practise when he feels like it.

That's why very few amateurs ever reach the standard required of a professional.


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