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...I do not think our moderators are turning a blind eye to holocaust denial....

Well, not long if you keep this up.

Look, I generally agree with your POV here, but I'm not comfortable with how far you are pushing it. I do not think our moderators are turning a blind eye to holocaust denial or homophobia. Yes, they have allowed some things to stand too long, but to me that suggests their basic tendency toward moderation in moderating and patience in waiting things out.

They have zapped specific homophobic posts, for instance, (coming from our word-wrap challenged friend as one example), but they have not tended to ban anyone on the basis of these zapped posts. Reasonable people can disagree about whether a single zapped post (or two or three) merits a lifetime ban. In general, the moderating team here has tried to avoid that sort of precipitous action. I'm not sure I would have been so reticent, in their shoes. But that's how they have called it. They have taken action against this sort of behavior, but they seem to bend over backward to avoid being put in that situation. And they have talked to people when hot heads overreact.

I too think that some accommodation should be reached that allows Steven to come back. Perhaps that will happen over time. Those of us who think this should happen have made our will clear. Now we need to calm down a bit and take stock. Continued verbal challenges may not be the best approach.

Well, not long if you keep this up.
Look, I generally agree with your POV here, but I'm not comfortable with how far you are pushing it. I do not think our moderators are turning a blind eye to holocaust denial or homophobia. Yes, they have allowed some things to stand too long, but to me that suggests their basic tendency toward moderation in moderating and patience in waiting things out....

....I too think that some accommodation should be reached that allows Steven to come back....Those of us who think this should happen have made our will clear. Now we need to calm down a bit and take stock. Continued verbal challenges may not be the best approach.

Well, not long if you keep this up.

Look, I generally agree with your POV here, but I'm not comfortable with how far you are pushing it. I do not think our moderators are turning a blind eye to holocaust denial or homophobia. Yes, they have allowed some things to stand too long, but to me that suggests their basic tendency toward moderation in moderating and patience in waiting things out.

They have zapped specific homophobic posts, for instance, (coming from our word-wrap challenged friend as one example), but they have not tended to ban anyone on the basis of these zapped posts. Reasonable people can disagree about whether a single zapped post (or two or three) merits a lifetime ban. In general, the moderating team here has tried to avoid that sort of precipitous action. I'm not sure I would have been so reticent, in their shoes. But that's how they have called it. They have taken action against this sort of behavior, but they seem to bend over backward to avoid being put in that situation. And they have talked to people when hot heads overreact.

I too think that some accommodation should be reached that allows Steven to come back. Perhaps that will happen over time. Those of us who think this should happen have made our will clear. Now we need to calm down a bit and take stock. Continued verbal challenges may not be the best approach.

Let's be sure that we ourselves don't slip to the level of the posters that do annoy us.

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I've been begging people to do exactly that for a month or two, but it's fallen on deaf ears. People took the bait over and over again, then complained that I wasn't being heavy-handed enough.

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You can turn off a forum.

Were I to disagree I would PM the moderators and talk.

I think the duel had a lot to do with establishing, and maintaining manners and good behavior among men in centuries past.
I know there are a few things I've said that I might have thought twice about if the consequence was coffee and pistols at dawn.
Maybe we should bring back the duel.
(not really)

No pistols. CAGE MATCH.

Sadly, I have personal proof that this has happened, Piano*Dad. At the time I gave forum management the benefit of the doubt, but now that I can compare it with the situation of Sotto Voce of which I know every detail, I realise that their sense of justice is horribly skewed, if it exists at all.

Is PartyPianist really gone? This poster's style was unique and made extensive use of CAPITALIZED words for emphasis, adding "quotes" to single words, and adding (parenthetical comments within his/her sentences).

Two points.
1. Holocaust denial? I must have missed those posts.
EDIT - OK, I did find what you were talking about. Agreed, antisemitism has no place on the forums.

2. Sexual orientation? That's not only nobody's business but also a ZERO factor in any decision regarding any member of this forum. I, myself, wouldn't even know anything about that except that it suddenly got thrown out as an issue in this debacle. And now that I do know, it's still not an issue with me (nor with any of the moderators).

Ken

No pistols. CAGE MATCH.

In this instance it would have been more likely we would have witnessed a LA CAGE AUX FOLLES MATCH.