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... Music is sound. I've always related to the piano as sound and touch. Why now am I going visual with it?" And with that switch, there was a jump.

Yes, but when we see something, we don't stop listening or feeling. It is more of an automatic inclusion than a switch from one sense to another sense.
I did not mean to exclude vision. However, teaching and approaches for piano that I ran into seemed to be vision-centric, and when I went back to my actual primary senses, there was a (logical) jump. Some approaches I've run into seem to be almost "only" visual.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
The idea behind it, if I understand it correctly, is that our memory works much better with remembering physical objects and scenes than remembering abstract things, so we need to associate abstract things with physical objects. Many memorization techniques work like that.
For me personally, it works exactly the opposite way. A piece is much more solidly memorized when I remember the abstract musical structure of the piece than the physical layout of the page. In fact, if I work extensively with a certain edition of a piece and then I compare different editions I may get confused by the different layout. I think I do remember the look of the score although I wouldn't say quite photographically - more like a blurry old movie wink - and because it's not so reliable I prefer to understand the structure and patterns and memorize that (in addition to the muscle memory, of course).

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In fact, if I work extensively with a certain edition of a piece and then I compare different editions I may get confused by the different layout.
I was thinking of that exact same thing.

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I am sure people would have told me by now were my memory deteriorating. It seems about the same as it was sixty years ago, very good but not exceptional. I play only around a hundred pieces and three months is about as long as I can go without revision before errors creep in. I probably use a mixture of all the methods mentioned. Free improvisation does require memory but of a peculiar type, an aural equivalent of persistence of vision except it lasts longer. Like many people my memory is anomalous. I remember phone numbers, car number plates and passwords without trying but struggle to recall what I ate for dinner the night before last.


"We shall always love the music of the masters, but they are all dead and now it's our turn." - Llewelyn Jones, my piano teacher
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