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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Lady Bird] #2801033
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
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Originally Posted by Norbert
Without trying to be negative: did it also help to confuse some?After all, the choice is still up to the buyer and it's never easy...
I don't see how it could possibly confuse anyone. It's so clearly written. "The choice is up to the buyer" has nothing to do with the Piano Book causing confusion.

I think Norbert is just asking because one may like a piano
after playing it in a store and then read something negative
on Piano Buyer or vice versa. This may cause one to doubt
whether one is capable of choosing the right instrument.
Although the earliest edition of the Piano Book may have contained some critical comments about the worst pianos that is not the case for probably at least the last ten years. As Fine explains, there are no really bad pianos at this point.

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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Norbert] #2801038
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I think we all do admire and respect larry Fine .It is wonderful
that we have that knowledge available .Sorry I did not mean I did
not .I do not know what I would have done without it when I bought
my piano .

Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Norbert] #2801045
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Does anyone think that a listing of preferred specifications for standard design features found on pianos would be useful?

I am suggesting a list of specs derived from the extensive work of prominent rebuilders and technicians that people in the market for a piano could hand to a dealer and say: "I will not buy any piano that does not meet these specifications."


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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Rich Galassini] #2801071
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Larry's very first book came out just a year or so after I graduated from music school. I had dabbled with piano technology in college and was so excited to have just been hired by Cunningham Piano Company. Although I was surrounded by rebuilders at Cunningham, I learned a tremendous amount about available brands from The Piano Book and I used the book with clients to give them information as well.

I have tremendous respect for Larry and we began communicating soon after that first volume was published. I admire what he has done for the industry and I totally respect what he has accomplished.

I had the chance to interview him earlier this year while we were both at the National Piano Technicians convention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HudRpC5BBsU

I really enjoyed your interview with Larry Fine!


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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Norbert] #2801078
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The Piano Book (before the current Piano Buyer) offered the most detailed and objective introduction to the piano market that I could find. Reading it helped me slow down and learn more about my options. I would probably not have considered as wide a set of instruments but for that book.

Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Norbert] #2801082
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I think for people that want to buy a new piano with a set budget in mind (so almost everybody) and that wants to quickly see which new pianos should fit perfectly into the budget the website is invaluable. You put in your grand piano size, enter a discount of 20 % off SMP sort the list by price and then start typing those models into the pianoworld forum search smile

then you hopefully find competent dealers that have those models in their showrooms and you try them out one by one ...

I was so happy I had my printed list of SMP minus 20 % with me, because most dealers didn't list prices at all and if you ask them you have no idea if you are already getting an offer at a somewhat reasonble price or if it is the MSRP. And those dealers that post MSRPs on their price tags are scaring off anybody that is not educated. If you set a budget of 15 grand and you see a sticker of 15 grand without knowing about typical piano pricing, you don"t even think about that model anymore, whereas if you go by the SMP - 20 % some pianos with MSRP in the mid 20ies might still be in your budget.

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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Piano*Dad] #2801136
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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
The Piano Book (before the current Piano Buyer) offered the most detailed and objective introduction to the piano market that I could find. Reading it helped me slow down and learn more about my options. I would probably not have considered as wide a set of instruments but for that book.


Hey Piano*Dad,

I think that is true for many people considering a premium piano. There are tremendous choices out there that the average consumer in the past was not aware of.

By the way, how are the Piano*Boys... or should I say Piano*Men these days? smile


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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Rich Galassini] #2801188
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
The Piano Book (before the current Piano Buyer) offered the most detailed and objective introduction to the piano market that I could find. Reading it helped me slow down and learn more about my options. I would probably not have considered as wide a set of instruments but for that book.


Hey Piano*Dad,

I think that is true for many people considering a premium piano. There are tremendous choices out there that the average consumer in the past was not aware of.

By the way, how are the Piano*Boys... or should I say Piano*Men these days? smile

I know a Piano*Student! wink


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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Norbert] #2801199
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I sure don’t understand the piano market but there are folks that become anxious and overwhelmed by too much choice and too much technical information when shopping. I made the assumption but could be quite wrong, that was what Norbert was asking with the second part of this thread.
For me, my location and budget eliminated total confusion from too much choice. There’s really only two piano stores in the state and my budget and available floorspace narrowed the choice considerably. I’m really grateful for what I have to play and use and Larry Fine’s book gave me much needed info in a clear concise manner.


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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Norbert] #2801701
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For me my question had nothing to do with "respect" for an author. I have read many books in my life and rarely did I not respect the author. Eckart Tolle anybody? wink But in most cases, my questions had not been [completely] answered so its normal to keep on finding one's own answer. Thinking same is true for many subjects in life. For example, some of my customers didn't read very favourable reviews of one or two piano but liked them when trying them. Same is/was true with some of my competitors brands. So, what to answer in such case? Thinking it is never easy and may present - in some cases at least - more questions than answers. In the end, this is the closest that was on my mind:
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I think Norbert is just asking because one may like a piano
after playing it in a store and then read something negative on Piano Buyer or vice versa. This may cause one to doubt
whether one is capable of choosing the right instrument

So, perhaps something like that did happen to some people here at time of buying? Who then "followed their heart" and are still happy with their decision today.
All good.

Norbert smile

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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Norbert] #2801730
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there is no one TRUTH and looking for it in a book is silly. That said, TPB and PB are invaluable, informative guides for any pianist looking to find their own truths and no, it did not confuse me in anyway but much more so helped to helped to clarify my mind about who built what.

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Re: PIANO BUYER - PIANO CHOICE! [Re: Norbert] #2802407
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We had bought a new Yamaha U1 a few months earlier .
Good, dependable ,U1 to last till the end of our
lives .The Sauter 130 on the other side of the store intrigued
us with its beautiful tone ,it's treble notes that just carried on
sounding .The bass was round and full .A powerful sound.
Often we would just go and try it in the store .We tried a W Hoffman
and a C Bechstein .Eventually we decided on the trade up and
the Sauter we loved became ours .

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In 1999, I was in the market for buying a baby grand. While browsing through the music-related section of Barnes & Noble, I saw Larry Fine's book - the green 3rd edition - and purchased it. That began my yearlong search to buy my piano. I visited several local piano stores in the Dallas, TX area, visited with a few local piano rebuilders, checked out the classified ads in the Dallas newspaper and finally bought a new 1999 Petrof 5'3" PV baby grand in gloss walnut finish. There was a local dealer who had a section of the store devoted to Petrofs. The deciding factor for me was this quote by Mr. Fine,"For a piano of its size, the 5'3" grand has an especially good sound."

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On behalf of Larry, Owen, myself and the others who are instrumental in producing Piano Buyer, I would like to thank everyone who has shown appreciation for our labors.

Purchasing the "right" piano is a real challenge for those who don't play. Concluding that any final decision should be based on one's hands-on experience doesn't really apply to this segment of the market, which is very large. They feel little difference in touch, and while they hear different tone qualities, they often can't tell which is "better". And, relying on the salesperson alone is high risk.

Yes, to these shoppers Piano Buyer may be somewhat confusing, but it will help to isolate a group of prospective instruments, all of which would satisfy their needs. Were they to use Piano Buyer as their sole source of information, it is likely that they would avoid making a significant mistake.


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