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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: Gombessa] #2802795
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
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And the hammer isn't detachable from the keyboard to be thrown on its own. That's a bit misleading.
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Is it? I only only reference the image provided, but it looks like there is a capstan on the keystick that allows free hammer (+mock whippen) movement, at least to a similar extent as on a GF/GF2 action. So while the hammer can't escape the whippen, the entire assembly could escape the key with enough force.

You are right. I stand corrected. Unfortunately those translucent Casio models are rare and I haven’t seen one recently to check. Anyway, lack of escapement (jack and double repetition lever) changes the feel because there’s always the hammer weight through the knuckle lever that moves the key up whereas on a real piano the keys lighten up due to hammer being held by the backcheck.


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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: CyberGene] #2802800
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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And the hammer isn't detachable from the keyboard to be thrown on its own. That's a bit misleading.
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Is it? I only only reference the image provided, but it looks like there is a capstan on the keystick that allows free hammer (+mock whippen) movement, at least to a similar extent as on a GF/GF2 action. So while the hammer can't escape the whippen, the entire assembly could escape the key with enough force.

You are right. I stand corrected. Unfortunately those translucent Casio models are rare and I haven’t seen one recently to check. Anyway, lack of escapement (jack and double repetition lever) changes the feel because there’s always the hammer weight through the knuckle lever that moves the key up whereas on a real piano the keys lighten up due to hammer being held by the backcheck.



We have a lot of uprights without double repetition at houses around here. Looka like Casio action is really close to them.


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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2802802
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Upright pianos lack double repetition lever but they still have escapement through a jack. Also a backcheck to hold the hammer after it has bounced back from the string. I believe it’s these bounce movements that create a specific feeling through the keys on real upright and grand pianos.


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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2802820
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Separating the key from the rest of the assembly is easily done on the GF2. But even if that is possible on this action then such separation is not felt on the key. It is very easy to do fast repetitions on this action, easier than on the GF2 or in any other DP hammer action I have tried, and that is likely because there is virtually no decoupling between the key and the remaining moving parts. When I tested this action it did not felt like an hammer action but instead as a very nice and heavy synth key action with an almost constant touchweight/pressure and a very fast return. It is almost the opposite of Yamaha's GrandTouch where there is a large pressure variation along the travel of the key.

These videos show the action in more detail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go2MX0L8PqU
https://youtu.be/omK58tFQTLc?t=410

Nevertheless, Casio states that the GPs with the Grand Hybrid are the "first DPs to include acoustic concert grand piano wooden keys and grand piano hammer mechanism": https://youtu.be/wne2ACFP1PM?t=17

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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2802830
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
We have a lot of uprights without double repetition at houses around here. Looka like Casio action is really close to them.


Apart from the shape of the components, may I ask you what makes the mechanism of the Casio action so much different than GF2's and "really close" to that of an upright?

The red knuckle is a direct coupling between the black "wippen" and the "hammer". So, the whole assembly is a single system. Casio can put a dozen of coupled parts between the capstan and the hammer but that is irrelevant from a mechanical perspective. The way these parts decouple is exactly what makes an acoustic action behave like it does. And these parts do not decouple. Should we also start saying that the mechanism of the GF2 is "really close" to an acoustic action?

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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: arc7urus] #2803083
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Originally Posted by arc7urus

Hi! I own a PX-560 and I am only aware of a total of 9 official sounds/registrations released bt Casio (all of them created/submitted by you). The latest one is from October 2016. I am also only aware of a total 3 firmware updates for the PX-560 since it was released in 2015. Am I missing something? I find the PX-560 to be a great, feature-packed keyboard, but my feeling is that it was never fully supported by Casio and that Casio just missed a huge opportunity.

Cheers!


Actually one of the NAMM announcements is that we have licensed all of David Weiser's vintage keyboard presets that were originally created for the PX-5S and are converting them for the PX-560. It is a huge task but these will be released shortly after NAMM.


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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2803125
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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: Mike_Martin] #2803180
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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
Originally Posted by arc7urus

Hi! I own a PX-560 and I am only aware of a total of 9 official sounds/registrations released bt Casio (all of them created/submitted by you). The latest one is from October 2016. I am also only aware of a total 3 firmware updates for the PX-560 since it was released in 2015. Am I missing something? I find the PX-560 to be a great, feature-packed keyboard, but my feeling is that it was never fully supported by Casio and that Casio just missed a huge opportunity.

Cheers!


Actually one of the NAMM announcements is that we have licensed all of David Weiser's vintage keyboard presets that were originally created for the PX-5S and are converting them for the PX-560. It is a huge task but these will be released shortly after NAMM.


Many thanks for the info and good news!

Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: Mike_Martin] #2803181
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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin

Actually one of the NAMM announcements is that we have licensed all of David Weiser's vintage keyboard presets that were originally created for the PX-5S and are converting them for the PX-560. It is a huge task but these will be released shortly after NAMM.

Excellent!


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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: Mike_Martin] #2803629
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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
Actually one of the NAMM announcements is that we have licensed all of David Weiser's vintage keyboard presets that were originally created for the PX-5S and are converting them for the PX-560. It is a huge task but these will be released shortly after NAMM.

Cool! Any chance these can also be made available for the MZ-X500?

Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2803855
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On YouTube Jeremy See and Bonners Music now have a few videos of the new CDP-S models:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX_BIKUbuMXLq-VebU8LmBA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ihEVZCc97RfvrzDaXoAHg/videos

Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2804145
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All aside, the marketing circus with teaser for the Privia suggest that casio thinks very highly about the new privia with the new confirmed action. The fact that they finally rebuilding it after recycling it for a decade is a good news.

Also on the sound front I have zero doubts. Even the last year PX870 stepped up the casio samples with longer sustain and added brand new piano to the set. I'd predict they didn't create new pianos for the new PX Nimbus 2019 15th aniversary ultra-super-slab, but it will be using those from PX870.

So my thinking cap says for new 15th anniversary Privia:

- PX-160 like slab
- new action,
- touch buttons (we had seen it on teaser)
- PX870 samples with the new 1 extra piano sound that was added last year
- 256 polyphony (the PX870 has 256 poly so it is time to put it on a slab).
- bluetooth, yeah it is 2019
- PX160 price which will [censored] yamaha and that is the goal
- String resonance - even the PX160 has one,
- no extra premium features like Key Off Simulator, Lid Simulator, Key On/Off Action Noise, Damper Resonance, Hammer Response as they will be reserved for later announced higher model.
- new name to mark new era , perhaps adding s like PX-S1000 but, who really cares beside marketing dpt


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Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: Mike_Martin] #2804776
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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
Originally Posted by arc7urus

Hi! I own a PX-560 and I am only aware of a total of 9 official sounds/registrations released bt Casio (all of them created/submitted by you). The latest one is from October 2016. I am also only aware of a total 3 firmware updates for the PX-560 since it was released in 2015. Am I missing something? I find the PX-560 to be a great, feature-packed keyboard, but my feeling is that it was never fully supported by Casio and that Casio just missed a huge opportunity.

Cheers!


Actually one of the NAMM announcements is that we have licensed all of David Weiser's vintage keyboard presets that were originally created for the PX-5S and are converting them for the PX-560. It is a huge task but these will be released shortly after NAMM.

Great new ! Thanks ! So the PX560 is still alive ... wink

Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2805076
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A quote from the aforementioned Yamahamusicians forum: "The physical keybed in the CDP-S series and the new Privia are the same."

So, in other words, the new Privias still have very short keys.

Also: "The Privia however has a feature that makes quite a difference but which I cannot talk about right now"

High resolution MIDI? Meh...

Could be something else too. Only two days to wait...

Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2805749
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Originally Posted by arc7urus
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But Casio quickly abandoned these models despite their (relative) success. We will have to wait and see if this time Casio starts taking their stage pianos seriously.


Nothing about these products has been abandoned. Both have had numerous firmware updates and we are still releasing new sounds for these products as recently as yesterday.


Hi! I own a PX-560 and I am only aware of a total of 9 official sounds/registrations released bt Casio (all of them created/submitted by you). The latest one is from October 2016. I am also only aware of a total 3 firmware updates for the PX-560 since it was released in 2015. Am I missing something? I find the PX-560 to be a great, feature-packed keyboard, but my feeling is that it was never fully supported by Casio and that Casio just missed a huge opportunity.

Cheers!

Tell me where to download these 9 official sounds?

Re: Casio pre-NAMM 2019 teaser [Re: Artin_SU] #2805762
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Originally Posted by Artin_SU
Tell me where to download these 9 official sounds?

From Casio Music Forums: http://www.casiomusicforums.com/ -> PX-560 section and then Downloads. You will find there the official Casio files as well as a number of user contributions.

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