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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: oneilt130] #2803021
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Originally Posted by oneilt130
I recently went through the same decision process and ended up going with the NU1X over the CLP-685. It arrived this week and it has been great. Better than expected. Having said that I think I can distill the differences down to the following:

The NU1X is essentially a hybrid upright piano with the voice of the Yamha's CFX Grand. It's primary objective and what it is best at is playing as as a piano. It is as close as anything I tested out in that price range as sitting down at an acoustic upright piano. When I was testing it out at one dealer I was able to go back and forth between the Yamaha U1 upright and the NU1X, I could tell there was a difference but it came as close to the experience of an acoustic as anything I tested in that price range. Using the speakers it sounds very good. Using a good set of headphones the Binaural sampling of the CFX grand is great. Like I said it's about as close as you get to feeling like you are sitting at an acoustic upright piano.

Having said that part of what makes it feel that way is what it is not. The user controls are very simple, pretty much old school and blend into the instrument. When you are playing you don't notice them at all. It only has 15 voices. You can only record one track, you can't do a split keyboard with multiple voices. There is a certain amount of elegance in it's simplicity.

The CLP-685 on the other hand has all of the extras. Lot's of voices, you can split the keyboard etc. However I felt that the piano sound and feel was not the same as the NU1X. If I was considering those extras I probably would have gone with either the Roland LX706 or LX708 and not the CLP-685. I thought the Roland LX708 sounded better than the CLP-685 and I preferred the keyboard of the Roland over the CLP-685. I didn't get to test the LX706.

From my perspective what I wanted was something that played like a piano. The other stuff wasn't on my radar at all. Having had the NU1X for all of 3 days I can say it has exceeded my expectations. Someone else put it best when they said it is just a joy to sit down and play.


Fantastic summary, and one I agree with completely, having been through the same process a year ago, and bought the NU1X over the CLP-685. A year down the line I'm still delighted with the instrument, and have hardly touched my Steinway B since...

One further point to make about the 685 is that the action has a very strange 'notchiness' which feels very unnatural to me. This has been remarked on by several people, and although it might not be an issue for everyone, it completely put me off.

Having said that, even without the keyboard issue, the NU1X is streets ahead IMHO - it's the only DP I played that made me feel like I was playing an acoustic, and like oneilt, I find my NU1X a joy to play smile

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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2803025
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Can't wait for mine to arrive smile Being one of the harshest critics of the NU1 issue, I feel a bit ashamed to a degree. On the other hand I remember very well how I tested N1 and NU1 side by side and I actually preferred NU1 and almost purchased it. But was then put off by the issue. Yet, every time I played a NU1 there was a smile on my face. And I believe the issue is now 100% reproducible for me, which (paradoxically) makes me feel better because at least I know how I can avoid it. Well, hopefully smile

BTW, I ordered a NU1X based on my love with NU1, hopefully the general feel and sound hasn't been changed with the newer model. Is anyone familiar with the exact differences? Is it the same CFX sound? Is it exactly the same keyboard?

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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2803026
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The Keyboard is the same. The sound has the newest CFX sampling. To me, the sound quality has increased to the better.


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Past: Yamaha: P-115, YDP-163, CLP-545, CLP-685 | Kawai: CA-98, Novus NV10
Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: CyberGene] #2803054
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
And I believe the issue is now 100% reproducible for me, which (paradoxically) makes me feel better because at least I know how I can avoid it. Well, hopefully smile


Yeah it's easy to reproduce on demand once you know how. You can "bind" just about any mechanism though if you are actively determined to do so, and it's part of adjusting your technique in actual playing to minimize it from accidentally or inadvertantly happening.

Originally Posted by CyberGene
BTW, I ordered a NU1X based on my love with NU1, hopefully the general feel and sound hasn't been changed with the newer model. Is anyone familiar with the exact differences? Is it the same CFX sound? Is it exactly the same keyboard?


The sound is entirely different, I believe the NU1 was the first CFX-sampled DP, and though it was clean, the decays and sustain lengths were distractingly short by today's standards (you could play nearly anything with pedal down and it never gets muddy).

When the NU1X was first released, Yamaha moved it to the AvantGrand line, and actually made statements to the effect that the action was improved over the NU1 "to make it even more like an acoustic grand" (which is an odd thing to say when the entire reason for the product's existence is its upright action). Exactly what had changed I don't know, but Yamaha claims it's not exactly the same, nor with exactly the same feel as before...


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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: CyberGene] #2803098
01/17/19 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Can't wait for mine to arrive smile Being one of the harshest critics of the NU1 issue, I feel a bit ashamed to a degree. On the other hand I remember very well how I tested N1 and NU1 side by side and I actually preferred NU1 and almost purchased it. But was then put off by the issue. Yet, every time I played a NU1 there was a smile on my face. And I believe the issue is now 100% reproducible for me, which (paradoxically) makes me feel better because at least I know how I can avoid it. Well, hopefully smile

BTW, I ordered a NU1X based on my love with NU1, hopefully the general feel and sound hasn't been changed with the newer model. Is anyone familiar with the exact differences? Is it the same CFX sound? Is it exactly the same keyboard?

Excited for you!!!

I just love the CFX sound on this: I rarely, if ever, use any of the other voices offered.

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2803362
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It's an amazing piano! The headphones are absolutely a joy, you don't even realize you have the on when you play!

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2803389
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Hissing?

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Pete14] #2803443
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Hissing?

Maybe it has something to do with the bluetooth connection, but I don't notice hissing on mine, and it automatically syncs with my ipad when I turn it on.

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: pathguy] #2803446
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Originally Posted by pathguy
I just love the CFX sound on this: I rarely, if ever, use any of the other voices offered.


I'm using the ballad grand most of the time. Wonderful sound, especially with high reverb (18).


Current: Yamaha NU1X | Roland FP-30 with Garritan CFX Lite & Pianoteq 6
Past: Yamaha: P-115, YDP-163, CLP-545, CLP-685 | Kawai: CA-98, Novus NV10
Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2803465
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Holy smokes I can't wait until I can get one of these.

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: PianoWVBob] #2803554
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Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Holy smokes I can't wait until I can get one of these.

You won't be disappointed!

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