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Re: Yamaha C3X or Estonia 190 [Re: mcontraveos] #2779790
11/10/18 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
Can you point me to a recording of a remarkable Estonia?
My recordings aren't remarkable, but many of the pianos have been. There are a variety of these recordings on Estonia's YouTube channel made in our showroom, at the NAMM trade show, and at the world debut of the Estonia model L210 in NYC.

There is a segment from a televised performance by Dr. Laul on the L225 as part of the national independence celebration.

There are several albums from Dr. Laul available from Consonant Works. The solo works are performed on a 9' Estonia. There are also concertos, but some were with an Estonia while others were with a Hamburg D, and I don't recall which. I recall there is an album from Marc-André Hamelin recorded on his L190.

Also linked from the YouTube channel are a few shared videos from other channels including Emily Bear (produced by Quincy Jones) featuring a 9' Estonia, Jazz trios featuring the L210. I love the boogie woogie performance linked there as well.

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Re: Yamaha C3X or Estonia 190 [Re: Davdoc] #2779855
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Originally Posted by Davdoc
I don't think you would go wrong with either a new C3X or Estonia 190; it eventually comes down to your preference of tone and touch, and maybe exterior/interior aesthetics.

My own experience: only very briefly, one C3X at our local dealer a couple of years ago, and one Estonia 190 when it was freshly delivered to PianoCraft where I eventually bought my rebuilt Hamburg B.

I used to play a C5 (from the 1990s) daily for several years, and thus I can confidently say that the new CX series (I played a C6X too) have quite different tonal philosophy than the old ones. Yamaha's good touch, out of factory, remains excellent. I liked my C5 a lot, but I think the new CX series in general provide a different, likely wider, tonal palette that is certainly welcomed for some classical repertoire.

I was seriously thinking about getting either Estonia 210 or 225 after I played two well-prepped instruments at PianoCraft. On the other hand, that lone Estonia 190, likely due to its fresh-arrival status, did not appeal to me due to the tone being too bright, totally unlike the other two I played. Maybe this was also due to different hammers equipped?


Considering you ended up with a fantastic rebuilt Hamburg B, your serious consideration certainly lends an excellent reference point for how good a superbly prepped Estonia grand can turn out. Maybe we can coax you out to visit for the fun of it to try a beautifully prepped Estonia 190 so that we can replace your memory of the freshly out of the box one.


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Re: Yamaha C3X or Estonia 190 [Re: maggiezs] #2779879
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Considering you ended up with a fantastic rebuilt Hamburg B, your serious consideration certainly lends an excellent reference point for how good a superbly prepped Estonia grand can turn out. Maybe we can coax you out to visit for the fun of it to try a beautifully prepped Estonia 190 so that we can replace your memory of the freshly out of the box one.


In comparison to Steinway B, Estonia should actually be compared against with involving their 210 grand. A truly incredible, "hard to beat" piano.
In every single case where this had occurred in our own experience, the customer did decide for the Estonia. And it never was a hard decision this, despite the always present "prestige" factor. We had about 4 cases.

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Re: Yamaha C3X or Estonia 190 [Re: Norbert] #2779910
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In comparison to Steinway B, Estonia should actually be compared against with involving their 210 grand. A truly incredible, "hard to beat" piano.
In every single case where this had occurred in our own experience, the customer did decide for the Estonia. And it never was a hard decision this, despite the always present "prestige" factor. We had about 4 cases.

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Norbert, Often one particular size will stand out in a manufacture's line of grands. Do you feel the same "hard to beat" quality in the 225? Beyond the effect of longer string length, do you see much scale difference between the 210 and 225. Do you have a personal preference?

Re: Yamaha C3X or Estonia 190 [Re: Keith D Kerman] #2779911
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Originally Posted by Keith D Kerman
Originally Posted by Davdoc
I don't think you would go wrong with either a new C3X or Estonia 190; it eventually comes down to your preference of tone and touch, and maybe exterior/interior aesthetics.

My own experience: only very briefly, one C3X at our local dealer a couple of years ago, and one Estonia 190 when it was freshly delivered to PianoCraft where I eventually bought my rebuilt Hamburg B.

I used to play a C5 (from the 1990s) daily for several years, and thus I can confidently say that the new CX series (I played a C6X too) have quite different tonal philosophy than the old ones. Yamaha's good touch, out of factory, remains excellent. I liked my C5 a lot, but I think the new CX series in general provide a different, likely wider, tonal palette that is certainly welcomed for some classical repertoire.

I was seriously thinking about getting either Estonia 210 or 225 after I played two well-prepped instruments at PianoCraft. On the other hand, that lone Estonia 190, likely due to its fresh-arrival status, did not appeal to me due to the tone being too bright, totally unlike the other two I played. Maybe this was also due to different hammers equipped?


Considering you ended up with a fantastic rebuilt Hamburg B, your serious consideration certainly lends an excellent reference point for how good a superbly prepped Estonia grand can turn out. Maybe we can coax you out to visit for the fun of it to try a beautifully prepped Estonia 190 so that we can replace your memory of the freshly out of the box one.


Hi Keith, as you know, it has always been a pleasure to visit your showroom. The fact that when I was considering the Estonia 210 or 225, you didn't have the Hamburg B ready, and that we then moved our consideration to a new Steingraeber 192, said a lot about Estonias and your preps on them.

(And to anyone who is interested in Estonia, but is closer to Sam's showroom near Atlanta: his top-notch store is absolutely worth a visit.)


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Re: Yamaha C3X or Estonia 190 [Re: Norbert] #2779966
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Originally Posted by Norbert
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Considering you ended up with a fantastic rebuilt Hamburg B, your serious consideration certainly lends an excellent reference point for how good a superbly prepped Estonia grand can turn out. Maybe we can coax you out to visit for the fun of it to try a beautifully prepped Estonia 190 so that we can replace your memory of the freshly out of the box one.


In comparison to Steinway B, Estonia should actually be compared against with involving their 210 grand. A truly incredible, "hard to beat" piano.
In every single case where this had occurred in our own experience, the customer did decide for the Estonia. And it never was a hard decision this, despite the always present "prestige" factor. We had about 4 cases.

Norbert


Hi Norbert,

I have not had the pleasure/honor to visit your showroom, but I have no doubt that your store has Estonias that are well prepped amazing instruments.

If you are interested in the sequence I ended up with the B: it was a relaxed and somewhat drawn out process. Long story short, I visited Keith's showroom several times. Each time I would encounter some different instruments. Near the decision visit(s), I liked both Estonia 210 and 225; probably a bit more 225 but size-wise, it would be a stretch. Then it was between the Estonia 210 and a Steingraeber 192.

By no means to degrade the Estonia 210, but when my pianistically much more capable wife showed me what the Steingraeber could do, the decision was not particularly difficult. We were on the verge of buying that Steingraeber, but then Keith's team finished their work on the B. That decision was way more challenging.

I would have no problem to recommend Estonia to anyone who is looking for a new piano in that price range.


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