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Help with 1st Digital Piano #2779022
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Hey guys, I’m currently looking for my very 1st DP. But I can’t test any of the major brands, because I’m really far away from any large seller in Australia. So I’ll have to order online. I have a budget of (1,500 AUD).

Online the prices of the pianos that seem very good are (included shipping)
-Kawai KDP110 -$1460 currently 15% off
-Korg C1 air -$1499 current 21% off
-Korg G1 air -$1599 - currently 27% off
-Roland F140R- $1479
- or the Kawai Es- 110, Roland FP30 and the Yamaha P125 for all under $1000

I could also maybe save up for the Yamaha P515 for $1799 which I think is 25%off

Seems like the Korgs are maybe a good deal and so is the ES-110 which is $929 included with the stand and pedals?

Please if you have any recommendations please comment down below.

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Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779033
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I recently considered all of the above and choose a Casio AP-470. I just posted a review of it, if you are interested.

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779041
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I’m also mainly only playing/learning classical music.

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779134
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If I were you I'd save a bit more and get the P-515. In my opinion the Korg C1/G1 are still overpriced. They are not good digital pianos and I cannot recommend them at this price point.


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Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779137
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I have owned both the ES8 and the P-515 and I feel that the ES8 has a much better sound.

The Kawai ES100 is probably good enough for your first digital but the ES8 would be better.


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Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: dmd] #2779148
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Which action did you like better? And do you think the Kawai ES110 action even compare to the Yamaha P515 or the Kawai’s es8 actions

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779154
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Roland HP 605.

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: Angelos58] #2779155
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Sorry that’s nearly double my budget here in australia $2899 for The HP 605

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: halherta] #2779157
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Originally Posted by halherta
If I were you I'd save a bit more and get the P-515. In my opinion the Korg C1/G1 are still overpriced. They are not good digital pianos and I cannot recommend them at this price point.


Is the action bad, because demos of it sound very nice. Especially the apparent Bösendorfer sound.

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779248
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Originally Posted by JujuC
Originally Posted by halherta
If I were you I'd save a bit more and get the P-515. In my opinion the Korg C1/G1 are still overpriced. They are not good digital pianos and I cannot recommend them at this price point.


Is the action bad, because demos of it sound very nice. Especially the apparent Bösendorfer sound.


Korgs RH3 action is better than Yamaha's entry level GHS action. But it is much worse that the intermediate to high level actions such as Yamaha's NWX (P-515), Roland PHA-50(FP-90) or Kawai's RH3(ES8) That you can get in similarly priced DPs.

Also the keys are plastic-y and not durable in my opinion. I bought one (Korg G1) and had two clicky keys out of the box brand new. I immediately returned it. Ofcourse you could have better luck but this doesn't bode well for Korg's QC. The pedals are not attached directly to the wooden cabinet. Instead they're attached to a plastic body that is then attached to the cabinet with a single plastic screw. Very flimsy in my opinion and not built to last

Finally, the Korg C1/G1 has 120 notes of polyphony. But the major piano sounds use 4 oscillators per note meaning you get an effective 30 notes of polyphony.This is not a major issue and the piano sounds very nice even with layering, but on paper it is just not impressive in 2018.

The only Korg that I'd consider a good deal for the money is the entry level D1. It has the RH3 action and a decent sound for the money. No built-in speakers though. Not sure how much it costs in Australia. It goes for around 600USD in the US.


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Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779271
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FWIW I started my piano journey with the Roland FP-30. I mostly use headphones. I now have it in my work apartment, and I still enjoy playing it. I really enjoy the piano sound on it, and the action is quite decent. Doesn't have a ton of features, but I think it would work for you just fine.

I did not test the others you mentioned, but it would be a good idea if you can--especially to see what type of action you like best.

Keep us posted on what you eventually decide!

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779411
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I checked and the prices of the
P515:$1799
ES8:1949
FP90:$2299

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779413
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I found the P515 for $1500 everywhere ... Kraft, Sweetwater, Musicians Friend.
And the FP90 for $1800.

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779420
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I’m in Australia

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779421
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I see. That's explains it.
You might consider making this apparent by adding your location to your profile. (I didn't read your first post 'til just now.)

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779428
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Hey guys would you consider the Korg’s RH3 better than the Roland PHA-40 standard or Kawai RHC. The Korg just looks so nice. And I’m tempted to but it. Should I get the Kawai ES110 instead?

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779430
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Originally Posted by JujuC
Hey guys would you consider the Korg’s RH3 better than the Roland PHA-40 standard or Kawai RHC. The Korg just looks so nice. And I’m tempted to but it. Should I get the Kawai ES110 instead?



They're all in the same class (entry-to-intermediate level plastic folded actions) and comparable to the point where you really need to try and decide for yourself. There's no clear winner and each has its fans.


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Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779435
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Alright thanks

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I cannot test any of these pianos, but seems like Kawai is highly praised for their ”authenticer” actions. As of saying that I’m now tempted to go for the ES-110, or either the nicer looking KDP110.

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779567
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Hello JujuC down under,

Having read your thread it occurs to me it might help you a bit to have a source of DP info closer to home .... so I searched “ digital piano australia “ and found this - http://www.pianoworld.com.au/digital-pianos/

3 years ago I too was a beginner looking for a first DP and despite having shops relatively nearby, I bought online. While I ended up with a good model after a good 3 months of digesting lots of on-line info, in hind sight I regret missing out on not trying DPs in person ( and possibly buying from an actual shop somewhat nearby) prior to buying from a virtual supplier.

I see 1500 AUD is about 1100 USD. This means you are in range for getting one of the best low-end, top quality ‘beginner” DPs from the big 4 .... or 5 😎🎹

Best of luck to you!

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Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779569
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Originally Posted by JujuC
I checked and the prices of the
P515:$1799
ES8:1949
FP90:$2299



Ok so they cost more than the $1500 price point that you seem to have set for yourself. Remember You will not be buying a new DP every 6 months. The one that you will buy will stay with you for at least 5 years. So if you need to spend an extra $300-$500 to get something significantly better than the Korg C1/G1 then so be it. There's a reason why the Korgs are on sale at these prices. If that's more than you want or are able to spend, then get the Yamaha P-125 or the Roland FP-30.


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Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: JujuC] #2779619
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The Korgs may not be on sale, it could be just marketing. They are about the same price in the UK (if you can directly compare using currency converter) and they aren't listed as being on sale here. Not saying the op should buy the Korg because I simply haven't a clue how they compare with any of the others.

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Ok thank you guys,I might just save up for the Yamaha P515.

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Originally Posted by JujuC
Ok thank you guys,I might just save up for the Yamaha P515.


I recently purchased the Yamaha P-515 but returned it.

I liked everything about it ….. except …. the sound.

I now am going back to the ES8.

If you can get the ES8 for close to the price of the P-515 I would suggest you do that.


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I’ll sere take it into account.

Re: Help with 1st Digital Piano [Re: dmd] #2779692
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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by JujuC
Ok thank you guys,I might just save up for the Yamaha P515.


I recently purchased the Yamaha P-515 but returned it.

I liked everything about it ….. except …. the sound.

I now am going back to the ES8.

If you can get the ES8 for close to the price of the P-515 I would suggest you do that.



With all due respect, but sound and action are the very cornerstone of subjectiveness when it comes to DPs. What may seem like mediocre/crap to one may seem godsend to another...

Granted, a beginner may not appreciate at first when they buy a piano whether it's good or not, but the more they play, the more they explore and the more they hear they eventually do start to appreciate a good thing or not as the case may be (I am a prime example of that as I started on a P115 & at first I was all like "cool" and by 6-9 months I was all like "this is a piece of...").

As said before, sound can always be changed with VSTs over MIDI - action cannot....

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I might just buy the P515 use it’s integrated sounds, then later purchase a VST for a better sound. smile


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