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Re: A cougher put in his place - an extraordinary vignette [Re: David-G] #2779519
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Especially the old "Cough on your own saliva" which I'm sure we're all familiar with, where one mis-swallows.

I did that a couple of days ago, and it was reflex, no way I could hold that in.

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Re: A cougher put in his place - an extraordinary vignette [Re: Zaphod] #2779522
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Originally Posted by Zaphod
Especially the old "Cough on your own saliva" which I'm sure we're all familiar with, where one mis-swallows.

I did that a couple of days ago, and it was reflex, no way I could hold that in.

Not sure that what people say are reflexes are actually true reflexes. When I was a kid, I taught myself how to suppress both hiccups and sneezes, both of which some people claim are reflexes, and I do that to this day, when it is inconvenient to sneeze or hiccup (it's always inconvenient to hiccup, so as a rule, or except as a gag, I never allow myself to hiccup). I've never specially tried to teach myself to suppress coughs, since even when I was a kid, coughing seemed like such a voluntary process. But I suppose one could teach oneself to suppress coughing too if its possible to do with sneezes and hiccups. That is unless it is like learning to curl your tongue, something only children can teach themselves to do, as I understand.


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Re: A cougher put in his place - an extraordinary vignette [Re: David-G] #2779528
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Well, at least he and the audience didn't start clapping, cheering, whistling and so on after the first few bars. I'm not sure if it still happens, but I bought a live album, I think it was Simon and Garfunckle and the coughing started after (well during) the intro to 'Bridge Over Troubled Waters'. Now that is infuriating!


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Re: A cougher put in his place - an extraordinary vignette [Re: Zaphod] #2779577
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This chap throwing cough drops at the audience, what a generous gesture, so caring and showing genuine concern for the health of concert-goers. About time this sort of facility was made available to us all. But was he certain the cough drops were reaching the intended recipients? The whole delivery method seems very open to error and inaccuracy. There is a good chance somebody without a cough received a cough-drop that firstly they had not earned and secondly were not in need of.
All very haphazard. I wonder... has he seen those DHL ads? (Other accurate delivery companies are available)

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...... Even in that picture of him in that article he looks like a pompous prat.



Convincing argument. Wins it for me,

Although it's easy to look bad in a photograph, even I can do it, if I try hard enough. Still, let's get 'em where it hurts, nothing pompous about us all sitting in judgement....

In the interests of balance, you could send him a picture of you and ask him what he thinks you look like.

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I think it's perfectly acceptable to stop a performance and "refocus" as the article says.


Yes but it takes time, makes people late, some have to be up early tomorrow, taxi's are booked, baby-sitters.... this isn't a Bruce Springsteen concert where you expect the "artist" to be late as he wants and to show no regard to you and your needs! Indeed, here the artist has already demonstrated his concern for others by remembering to bring his stock of cough-drops.

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I have worked with a few conductors in my time, and I must say, I found a lot of them to be po-faced and arrogant, and actually rather unpopular with the orchestra.


Well, I think they're probably going to be. Telling other people what to do is often a recipe for making oneself unpopular, especially if the people you are telling what to do think they already know better than you.

Cough drops eh? Must go to a concert soon, I'm feeling a little "chesty", although I think I better take a big net.



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Re: A cougher put in his place - an extraordinary vignette [Re: wr] #2779584
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Then there's this - interesting in its own right, but I was particularly taken with the reference to another concert where the conductor hurled cough drops at the audience!!

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/m...-cough-drops-miffed-muti-stops-cso-show/

These prima donnas need to get a grip on reality. If it weren’t for the paying plebes who fill the concert halls these demi-gods would be out of work.



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Originally Posted by slipperykeys

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...... Even in that picture of him in that article he looks like a pompous prat.



Convincing argument. Wins it for me,


That made me chuckle.

Re: A cougher put in his place - an extraordinary vignette [Re: Zaphod] #2779825
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Originally Posted by Zaphod
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...... Even in that picture of him in that article he looks like a pompous prat.



Convincing argument. Wins it for me,


That made me chuckle.


I'm glad, and it's good of you to take it in the spirit it was intended, to a large extent the whole thing was meant to be a bit of a joke.

Re: A cougher put in his place - an extraordinary vignette [Re: David-G] #2781248
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There is something that doesn't quite make sense to me about the coughing that you always get at classical concerts. If you need to cough, surely it would be possible to wait for a forte passage instead of spoiling a pianissimo or a break between movements or the transcendental 5 seconds at the end of a Schubert recital. Then, nobody would hear it as it'd be effectively masked by the dB level of the music.

Sometimes coughing just cannot be avoided which is just something you accept in a public place. Or if you know you're going to cough a lot, don't go to a concert.

But most people, most of the time can control it as is proved by the fact that everyone coughs in a break.

Much better to do it in a loud bit or during applause, and no one would be bothered by it or even aware of it.


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Re: A cougher put in his place - an extraordinary vignette [Re: toddy] #2781262
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Originally Posted by toddy
There is something that doesn't quite make sense to me about the coughing that you always get at classical concerts. If you need to cough, surely it would be possible to wait for a forte passage instead of spoiling a pianissimo or a break between movements or the transcendental 5 seconds at the end of a Schubert recital. Then, nobody would hear it as it'd be effectively masked by the dB level of the music.
As someone with a chronic cough problem, I can say it's definitely not true that one can hold in a cough for any length of time, even a few additional seconds. A cough will be heard in a loud passage although it's true that it will be less of a disruption.

As far as the end of the recital goes, it's possible that the cougher just didn't realize that it would be better to wait until Schiff was completely finished(for ten few more seconds after the piece ended) or he may have been struggling to hold in the cough for a while before the piece ended. No one knows but I think it kind of ruins the recital to do what Schiff did at the end. There are hundreds or thousands of people in the audience at these recitals and to expect perfect behavior from all of them is just unrealistic.

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Originally Posted by toddy
There is something that doesn't quite make sense to me about the coughing that you always get at classical concerts. If you need to cough, surely it would be possible to wait for a forte passage instead of spoiling a pianissimo or a break between movements or the transcendental 5 seconds at the end of a Schubert recital. Then, nobody would hear it as it'd be effectively masked by the dB level of the music.

Sometimes coughing just cannot be avoided which is just something you accept in a public place. Or if you know you're going to cough a lot, don't go to a concert.

But most people, most of the time can control it as is proved by the fact that everyone coughs in a break.

Much better to do it in a loud bit or during applause, and no one would be bothered by it or even aware of it.



The mistake imo is to believe that because most people can control a cough most of the time therefore all people ought to be able to control a cough all of the time. This is plainly illogical.

I could just as easily argue that because hardly anyone ever coughs during a quiet passage, on the rare occasion that it does occur it is probably unavoidable. Tickets are not cheap, who would pay money to deliberately spoil the show for themselves and others?

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Yes, as I said above, coughing can't always be avoided and so is just something that you have to accept in public places. I just wish those that can control it (most people) would wait for loud sections.


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