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Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: NoGameNoLife] #2771916
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GC13: They do. Not a lot cheaper than whole house steam humidifier system, though.

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KUUBE XL-T LARGE SPACE AIRWASHER HUMIDIFIER
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Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: dhull100] #2771921
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Just remember, when the wi-fi is enabled, your humidifier is monitoring your playing and will send copyright violation info to the authorities.

Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: NoGameNoLife] #2771945
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Prout ,Thanks you have just switched on my Paranoa. But the Paranoa may tune the piano. ! do not know if I must tune now or after I come back from a few days over Christmas when I am away .We always turn the heat down from 20 to 17 C.The piano is not very out of tune but when playing 5ths I can hear beats from some notes.What do you think .It is a new piano .

Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: Lady Bird] #2771988
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Prout ,Thanks you have just switched on my Paranoa. But the Paranoa may tune the piano. ! do not know if I must tune now or after I come back from a few days over Christmas when I am away .We always turn the heat down from 20 to 17 C.The piano is not very out of tune but when playing 5ths I can hear beats from some notes.What do you think .It is a new piano .
Well, at least the humidifer won’t report anything to the feds while you are away.

A small change in temp won’t won’t make much difference. Our thermostat is set so to 21.7 during the day and 19.4 at night. Even though that causes a average shift in RH from 49% to 56%, it makes little difference to the piano, which stays very close to 50% with the Dampp Chaser.

In your case, the shift in temp for a few days will cause the overall pitch of the instrument to change slightly as the piano adjusts its moisture content as a result of the change in vapour pressure. This change will not be even across the compass. However, once you return and bring the temp back up, the piano will adjust again and will return to nearly the state it was in before you left.

One thing to remember, while the rate of sorption and desorption is the same for a given temp and RH, the average rate experienced in the house is different. Moisture is absorbed about five times faster than it is given up. I did the math some years ago and found this statement to be accurate. The difference, of course, has to do with the temperature and humidity variations experienced in the interior of a house.

Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: NoGameNoLife] #2772010
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Thanks for the reply. It has helped. I wish I knew and could the things that you do .Since I do yet have a humidifier, I will not worry about the feds.I do sometimes wish for a magical hygrometer that can just sort out my humidity worries. However a dehumidifier will be here in the spring .Won't worry about it tracking me ,that no doubt is a later worry..Regards

Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: BruceD] #2772040
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[...]Yes you must keep them clean. FAIK this holds for ALL air treatment devices. Just bathe the filter frequently in chlorine, no need to replace them very often. Once a year or so is enough.

I prefer wicks above most other methods because (1) they use extremely little even when running (typical 5W or so) (2) the emit only water vapour, not the minerals in the water (3)) you can put in normal tap water (4) very little noise, only slow turning fan.


One advantage to the Venta AirWasher is that there is no filter; the water itself is the filter. Of course this means that the base that holds the water has to be emptied and cleaned regularly, but it's just as easy as washing a dish or a saucepan. I usually clean mine with dish detergent and warm water once a month. The rotating discs that circulate the water through the air are of hard non-porous plastic and they can be rinsed with warm water each time the base is washed.

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Bruce, Either the machine also showers the minerals into the air (bad for your house and piano) or it stays in the machine. Assuming the latter, you need to demineralize anyway.

Just simple washing won't remove the minerals from the machine. The demineralizing process is the same, you need to soak it in some acid. With a wick, they stay on the wick. I don't know where they stay with an air washer but if not on the disks than somewhere else in the machine (=more difficult to clean).

Thus the cleaning is not any easier for air washer versus wick.


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Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: NoGameNoLife] #2772073
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I think that concerns about humidity and temperature swings are vastly overblown. Humidity swings are inevitable in the northeast of the USA, that's just the way it is. There is no way that a residence can be kept (up) at 40% humidity in the winter, nor is there any way to keep it (down) at 40% in the summer, either. Not everyone in New England has air conditioning, and in any event pianos were being made and kept in homes successfully way before air conditioning was even invented. And don't people in Arizona have pianos, too?

I think that the kind of temperature swings that concern piano owners and manufacturers are those that occur in a church, for example, where the room is in use one day a week and left on its own the rest of the time. The kind of temperature changes that occur in a home are not, in my life of experience owning pianos, a problem, even when one turns down the heat because one is not there. Or if one does not leave the AC running all the time, whether one is home or not.

Just my inexpert two cents.

Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: NoGameNoLife] #2772076
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Originally Posted by NoGameNoLife
Thanks you very much. Do you have any opinions on the humidifiers that attach to the piano itself? I seen some people mention them.

What sort of piano are you envisaging purchasing? Some pianos are less susceptible to the affects of humidity - eg my 1979 YAMAHA UX, and other U3s and U1s, and similar models from KAWAI I've dealt with.

But as @Rank Piano Amateur mentioned, and I had earlier - for the vast number of piano owners, humidity isn't a concern. I recall the universities where my children studied, the practise rooms were air-conditioned only part of the time.


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Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: NoGameNoLife] #2772079
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Humidity in poorly ventilated basements is one of the biggest issues I see. If over 55% RH, mold can grow on anything porous including wood.

We just moved from a beach environment where, despite wall unit AC 24/7 our piano degraded drastically from both corrosion and T/RH swings. And when I say degraded I mean it now requires a complete 12-month disassembly and restoration of all components.

Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: backto_study_piano] #2772084
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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
Originally Posted by NoGameNoLife
Thanks you very much. Do you have any opinions on the humidifiers that attach to the piano itself? I seen some people mention them.

What sort of piano are you envisaging purchasing? Some pianos are less susceptible to the affects of humidity - eg my 1979 YAMAHA UX, and other U3s and U1s, and similar models from KAWAI I've dealt with.

But as @Rank Piano Amateur mentioned, and I had earlier - for the vast number of piano owners, humidity isn't a concern. I recall the universities where my children studied, the practise rooms were air-conditioned only part of the time.
Yes, but you didn’t mention that the universities employ full-time piano technicians to tune and repair the damage done by an inadequately maintained environment as well as normal wear and tear. A very close friend of mine is a university trained tuner/technician/rebuilder and is now employed by the same university maintaining the very large number of pianos in the music department. She and her co-workers each tune up to 6 pianos a day, and spend the rest of the time in the shop repairing and rebuilding.

I find it laughable that people have no problem maintaining their car - oil changes, tire changes, maintaing fluid levels and preventing rust, but seem to think the piano, which, for me to replace will cost 5 times what I have ever paid for a new Toyota, can be ignored for years on end.

Compare the cost of Dampp Chaser to the cost of 4 new tires for your car. You will, however, get 20+ years out of the DC.

Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: prout] #2772323
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Originally Posted by prout
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Originally Posted by NoGameNoLife
Thanks you very much. Do you have any opinions on the humidifiers that attach to the piano itself? I seen some people mention them.

What sort of piano are you envisaging purchasing? Some pianos are less susceptible to the affects of humidity - eg my 1979 YAMAHA UX, and other U3s and U1s, and similar models from KAWAI I've dealt with.

But as @Rank Piano Amateur mentioned, and I had earlier - for the vast number of piano owners, humidity isn't a concern. I recall the universities where my children studied, the practise rooms were air-conditioned only part of the time.
Yes, but you didn’t mention that the universities employ full-time piano technicians to tune and repair the damage done by an inadequately maintained environment as well as normal wear and tear. A very close friend of mine is a university trained tuner/technician/rebuilder and is now employed by the same university maintaining the very large number of pianos in the music department. She and her co-workers each tune up to 6 pianos a day, and spend the rest of the time in the shop repairing and rebuilding.

I find it laughable that people have no problem maintaining their car - oil changes, tire changes, maintaing fluid levels and preventing rust, but seem to think the piano, which, for me to replace will cost 5 times what I have ever paid for a new Toyota, can be ignored for years on end.

Compare the cost of Dampp Chaser to the cost of 4 new tires for your car. You will, however, get 20+ years out of the DC.

True - though universities here don't treat theirs like that apart from those few being used for performances and exams. The uprights get just routine tuning.

My question of NoGameNoLife - was what sort of piano are we're talking about. If it's a $500 CraigsList piano it needs different consideration from a $129,000 Seiler. One of which, a DamppChase and 3 monthly services would be appropriate - the other, less so.


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Re: Maintaining room temps for new acoustic piano? [Re: backto_study_piano] #2772328
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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
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Originally Posted by NoGameNoLife
Thanks you very much. Do you have any opinions on the humidifiers that attach to the piano itself? I seen some people mention them.

What sort of piano are you envisaging purchasing? Some pianos are less susceptible to the affects of humidity - eg my 1979 YAMAHA UX, and other U3s and U1s, and similar models from KAWAI I've dealt with.

But as @Rank Piano Amateur mentioned, and I had earlier - for the vast number of piano owners, humidity isn't a concern. I recall the universities where my children studied, the practise rooms were air-conditioned only part of the time.
Yes, but you didn’t mention that the universities employ full-time piano technicians to tune and repair the damage done by an inadequately maintained environment as well as normal wear and tear. A very close friend of mine is a university trained tuner/technician/rebuilder and is now employed by the same university maintaining the very large number of pianos in the music department. She and her co-workers each tune up to 6 pianos a day, and spend the rest of the time in the shop repairing and rebuilding.

I find it laughable that people have no problem maintaining their car - oil changes, tire changes, maintaing fluid levels and preventing rust, but seem to think the piano, which, for me to replace will cost 5 times what I have ever paid for a new Toyota, can be ignored for years on end.

Compare the cost of Dampp Chaser to the cost of 4 new tires for your car. You will, however, get 20+ years out of the DC.

True - though universities here don't treat theirs like that apart from those few being used for performances and exams. The uprights get just routine tuning.

My question of NoGameNoLife - was what sort of piano are we're talking about. If it's a $500 CraigsList piano it needs different consideration from a $129,000 Seiler. One of which, a DamppChase and 3 monthly services would be appropriate - the other, less so.
Quite true. But I have a bias against our disposable society - at $500 one could afford to throw it out and get another at least twice a year for what it costs to run a car, and, if you make your living as a pianist, it is simply the cost of doing business and deductable. Of course, the moving and removing costs would quickly add up, making the $129,000 Seiler look like not a bad deal. smirk

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