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Re: Adult only wants to learn chords? [Re: chasingrainbows] #2794149
12/22/18 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by chasingrainbows
Hi keystring, the student only wanted to learn correct fingering of chords, yet came with a variety of books on "how to play" chords, etc. He assured me he understood scales and chords. My question to him was, if he only wanted to learn how to play chords with correct fingering, he didn't need a teacher. I then demonstrated all the different varieties of how to play chords, and suggested he learn a scant melody line. He was all for it, yet never "practiced", missed one our of 4 lessons, then dropped.

I hate to say it, but this is very common with the older beginner and adult beginner student. If you wanted to learn how to fly a plane, you wouldn't tell the instructor the parts you want to learn, nor would a good instructor agree to teaching only those parts.

It's an overly simplified analogy, since there's not just one way to play piano. But the point is that if someone wants to learn, they do have to become teachable. This can be very difficult for the insecure, or for those accustomed to being good at something, for to learn you do have to allow yourself to make mistakes. It's humbling, and some people realize that's not for them, as I suspect the OP's student discovered.


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Re: Adult only wants to learn chords? [Re: petebfrance] #2811221
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Originally Posted by petebfrance
Or you can just play 'broken chords' and get this effect:

<<See video in petebfrance's post above>>

I wish!

Pete,

Thank you for sharing that wonderfully sensitive rendition of the Bach Prelude No. 1 in C BWV 846. Great dynamics and timing.

This piece is an especially nice demonstration for a finger-picking guitarist who wants to apply his or her chord progression knowledge to piano. The Tzvi Erez performance shows how far one can develop a simple chord (arpeggio) progression. (And, it can be played alone, or as an accompaniment to Gounod's Ave Maria). Perhaps, it might even inspire a student to want to learn that piece (either the Prelude or Ave Maria).

Many published chord name progressions for the Bach Prelude No. 1 use unnecessarily complex chord names that incorporate the opening notes of the respective measures. However, when one uses the chord name slash bass note notation, a delightfully simple, logical progression emerges.

Re: Adult only wants to learn chords? [Re: David D.] #2811231
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Originally Posted by David D.

re: Bach Prelude No. 1 in C BWV 846.

...when one uses the chord name slash bass note notation, a delightfully simple, logical progression emerges.

The Bach Prelude No. 1 chord progression can be used for very satisfying exercises and creative experimentation.

One can start with playing straight chords, or straight, sustained arpeggios. After learning the chords, the student can then experiment with different arpeggio note-sequence patterns (Bach's and their own) and chord inversions. Some inversions are easier fingering transitions from chord to chord than others. The teacher can provide instruction, feedback and suggestions. This Bach chord progression becomes the basis for the student's own composition.

This type of activity is something that many guitarists do simply for their own pleasure, and which can be adapted to the piano.

Of course, this is not a chord progression to be used on Day 1. One would obviously start with more basic chord progressions. And an easy song that the student would relate to.

But, depending on the student, the Bach Prelude progression might be quite rewarding.

Re: Adult only wants to learn chords? [Re: David D.] #2813117
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Originally Posted by David D.
Originally Posted by David D.

re: Bach Prelude No. 1 in C BWV 846.

...when one uses the chord name slash bass note notation, a delightfully simple, logical progression emerges.

The Bach Prelude No. 1 chord progression can be used for very satisfying exercises and creative experimentation.

One can start with playing straight chords, or straight, sustained arpeggios. After learning the chords, the student can then experiment with different arpeggio note-sequence patterns (Bach's and their own) and chord inversions. Some inversions are easier fingering transitions from chord to chord than others. The teacher can provide instruction, feedback and suggestions. This Bach chord progression becomes the basis for the student's own composition.

This type of activity is something that many guitarists do simply for their own pleasure, and which can be adapted to the piano.

Of course, this is not a chord progression to be used on Day 1. One would obviously start with more basic chord progressions. And an easy song that the student would relate to.

But, depending on the student, the Bach Prelude progression might be quite rewarding.

David, this is how I teach this piece to all my students. I don't use Roman numerals. I use slash chords because they unite music of all periods.


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Re: Adult only wants to learn chords? [Re: David D.] #2813139
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Originally Posted by David D.
Originally Posted by petebfrance
Or you can just play 'broken chords' and get this effect:

<<See video in petebfrance's post above>>

I wish!

Pete,

Thank you for sharing that wonderfully sensitive rendition of the Bach Prelude No. 1 in C BWV 846. Great dynamics and timing.

This piece is an especially nice demonstration for a finger-picking guitarist who wants to apply his or her chord progression knowledge to piano. The Tzvi Erez performance shows how far one can develop a simple chord (arpeggio) progression. (And, it can be played alone, or as an accompaniment to Gounod's Ave Maria). Perhaps, it might even inspire a student to want to learn that piece (either the Prelude or Ave Maria).

Many published chord name progressions for the Bach Prelude No. 1 use unnecessarily complex chord names that incorporate the opening notes of the respective measures. However, when one uses the chord name slash bass note notation, a delightfully simple, logical progression emerges.

I'm glad you appreciated it! It was posted as a nice, simple (well, deceptively so) example of 'chord playing.' As you know, quite often music can be deconstructed and the various 'strands' (I've been using that word since seeing a Graham Fitch video!) within it can be satisfying on their own as in, well, 2 part, 3-part harmony I guess - so pulling out those 'strands' a pleasant experience. Well, that's my view....


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Pete
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