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Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2771616
10/11/18 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Snyder
... Now on to all the other fun: scheduling the move with a piano mover, deciding whether we need caster cups (the casters are quite wide already, but it is going on a hardwood floor), ...

My Schimmel (2010 C-182) came with castor caps. I soon had a sore ankle from pedalling the raised pedal. My piano was on carpeted concrete, so within a week, I'd removed the castor caps.

There are options
1) ensure that the castors of the piano are located over solid bearers or joists - this could mark the timber permanently though;
2) keep the castors, and place a compensating pad under your heel - you'll need to increase the height of the bench to compensate
3) keep the castors and put a compensating board or similar under the pedals AND bench.

In hindsight, I would have done 2) - but I wasn't going to put them back - the piano was VERY heavy, and putting them back was probably a little trickier than taking them out.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
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Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: backto_study_piano] #2771624
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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
Originally Posted by Chris Snyder
... Now on to all the other fun: scheduling the move with a piano mover, deciding whether we need caster cups (the casters are quite wide already, but it is going on a hardwood floor), ...

My Schimmel (2010 C-182) came with castor caps. I soon had a sore ankle from pedalling the raised pedal. My piano was on carpeted concrete, so within a week, I'd removed the castor caps.

There are options
1) ensure that the castors of the piano are located over solid bearers or joists - this could mark the timber permanently though;
2) keep the castors, and place a compensating pad under your heel - you'll need to increase the height of the bench to compensate
3) keep the castors and put a compensating board or similar under the pedals AND bench.

In hindsight, I would have done 2) - but I wasn't going to put them back - the piano was VERY heavy, and putting them back was probably a little trickier than taking them out.
When my M&H BB arrived, the pedals were WAY TOO HIGH, even though the castor plate only 1/4” thick. I complained to M&H, and they sent a technician with a fix for the pedals under warrenty. It is now perfect. The fix was simply three very thick pieces of leather (sheepskin) that were placed inside the pedal lyre mechanism. Apperently, they send out the pianos with high pedals as standard, and change them as required for the customer preference.

Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2771626
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I just use a block of wood under my heel, on top of a piece of rubber mat, which protects the floor from wear.


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Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2771771
10/12/18 09:21 AM
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We've decided to go with caster cups. I'm not too worried about pedal height. Looking at the various pianos I play on regularly (including an upright Schimmel on a dolly), I'm sure the height is all over the place. And as an organist, I'm used to dealing with a lot more than three pedals that aren't the optimal height.

My only concern would be for my wife's piano students, that it doesn't cause an issue for them. Though at this point her students aren't at a level where it would make much of a difference, since she mainly teaches beginners (she feels especially called and gifted for that kind of teaching, even though many "professional" teachers look down on it).

After talking with the movers, it looks like there's a good chance we'll be getting the piano next week. I'll be sure to post pictures!


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Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2771951
10/12/18 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Snyder
We've decided to go with caster cups. I'm not too worried about pedal height. Looking at the various pianos I play on regularly (including an upright Schimmel on a dolly), I'm sure the height is all over the place. And as an organist, I'm used to dealing with a lot more than three pedals that aren't the optimal height.

My only concern would be for my wife's piano students, that it doesn't cause an issue for them. Though at this point her students aren't at a level where it would make much of a difference, since she mainly teaches beginners (she feels especially called and gifted for that kind of teaching, even though many "professional" teachers look down on it).

After talking with the movers, it looks like there's a good chance we'll be getting the piano next week. I'll be sure to post pictures!

Sounds great - enjoy your new piano. I'm a Pipe Organist too - play 5 or 6 different ones, and the bench height and other dimensions are all different - even the 2 almost identical Allens. We learn to adapt. My Church's Allen - I donated a replacement adjustable bench to replace the standard bench recently - there are 4 or 5 other organists who occasionally play, and we were always changing blocks under the bench - had a collection of different sizes.

You can always put a plate or something under your heel area at a later date.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2771987
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My degree is in performance organ, but that has nothing to do with pedal height.

You make it sound as if only organists are able to adapt to a poorly designed pedal lyre.

Why not expect the piano manufacturer or dealer or your technician to correct the issue?

Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2772187
10/13/18 04:01 PM
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A piano technician once told me about a woman who once danced with her high heels on ,on the top of an expensive grand piano at some venue for some special event.The manager most terribly upset called someone to attend to the dotted marks all over the top
of the piano .Don't who was sued for the damage !!! Enjoy your Schimmel, and no dancing

Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2772259
10/13/18 10:38 PM
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I have castor cups on my 1988 Schimmel grand and the pedal hieght has never been a problem. My piano has been remarkably stable with a tuning required only about once every two years. That may have someting to do with living in a temperate climate with low humidity. Hope you enjoy your Schimmel for years to come.



Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2772647
10/15/18 08:47 AM
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No dancing on it... check (though my kids are losing some of their dance floor space in the living room).

We'll be putting it on a six-month tuning schedule (the minimum for a teaching piano, IMHO).


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Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2772653
10/15/18 09:11 AM
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Yes - though you might want to keep an ear on it in the beginning - you'll want it serviced when it acclimatises/settles in maybe 6 or 8 weeks, and consider another after maybe another 3 months - then every 6 months might work. Getting it off to a good stable start is a good idea. But - it might be fine - each piano and each environment is different.

Mine was new, and I found 3-4 months was needed initially between services, but now it's 4+ yrs old, I'm more like every 5-6 months.

Enjoy your new piano!!!!!


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: dhull100] #2772777
10/15/18 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Snyder
The house has been unoccupied since the owner passed away in June, but the family has been in it frequently to go through his belongings. They also mentioned that they had the A/C turned on all summer. We're in Michigan, and summers can get quite humid.

That is a strange assertion. Who runs A/C for months with nobody in the house?

Originally Posted by dhull100
Were the more confluent areas puffy and raised from surface? It seems so in the photos, and that would be fungal / mold growth of some sort. (I only offer an opinion because I specialize in laboratory medicine and have seen too many colonies of mold to count, though not on wood!) Hopefully none inside anywhere; I'm sure the technician can advise.

You may have mold in your old house. But you don't know if the mold on the piano is dangerous.

Originally Posted by MarkL
I've used this mold testing lab for a few things I've found in house basements. It's easy to take the sample, they send a pdf report in 24 hours, and you'll know everything from the latin scientific name to whether it's dangerous and how to get rid of it.

For health & safety, I think this is a good call.

Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: Chris Snyder] #2772877
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Who runs A/C for months with nobody in the house?


That's what they told me, and I have no reason to distrust them. They were in and out quite a bit cleaning it out.


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Re: White mold(?) on bottom of rim of a Schimmel CC213T [Re: newer player] #2772883
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Originally Posted by newer player
That is a strange assertion. Who runs A/C for months with nobody in the house?

I ran my a/c in one house I had - 24 hrs a day when I was transferred in my job a couple of hundred kilometers away, and I was living away Mon-Fri.

The house was on the market for a couple of months, I kept the a/c on to stop it getting musty inside. That was mid-summer, and RH would be in the 70-80% range, temps in the 30-38 C range, much of the time when we had sticky NE sea winds.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
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