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#2704701 - 01/13/18 09:39 PM Invention #1 JS Bach-how's the audio?  
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I'm trying to teach myself how to make better audio recordings, so I'm experimenting with different microphones, angles, and software before I try to record longer, more difficult works. This was recorded with a Samson CO-1 Studio Condenser microphone, processed with Cakewalk Music Creator, the video was done with a Samsung HMX-F90 camcorder, and the video was processed with VSDC Video editor. As for the music itself, I'm already aware that my tempo is irregular in places and I have this bad habit of moving my hands up and down too much, it seems more on the right, but any other kind observations will be most welcome.
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Hector

#2704912 - 01/14/18 04:54 PM Re: Invention #1 JS Bach-how's the audio? [Re: hbs60]  
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Hi, hbs60 -- I thought the audio was a significant improvement over a couple of your previous submissions (Los Requiebros; the Puerto Rican souvenir -- can't remember the title). There was far less "tubbiness" and overreverberance than I remember from the previous recordings; far better clarity across the entire register. My only reservation about your present audio assemblage is a slight "deadness", a slight lack of three-dimensional resonance in the piano sound. I wouldn't have the slightest suggestion as to how to improve that aspect -- only that I would rate your present audio setup as comfortably adequate, but not ideal. let's see if we get a few other opinions.

#2704927 - 01/14/18 06:45 PM Re: Invention #1 JS Bach-how's the audio? [Re: hbs60]  
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My initial reaction is that I thought it was rather unusual to be recording a grand with the lid closed. Surely you'll get a more balanced and perhaps a more resonant sound with the lid up. That said, the piano is very close to a large window and an adjoining wall, so there may be more resonance caused by the specific confines of that space.

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#2704959 - 01/14/18 08:58 PM Re: Invention #1 JS Bach-how's the audio? [Re: hbs60]  
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Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. The piano lid is closed because it is very loud, the glass window and walls make it worse, so I keep it closed a lot of the time to protect my ears (sometimes I need earplugs when it bothers me too much). Once in a while I do open the lid and it’s a most beautiful sound, but I leave it for when a piece is truly performance ready. As for the “deadness” issue, it’s hard for me to hear that. From what I’ve read, audio engineers talk about stuff like “stereo image” and all kinds of things I have no clue about. Speaking of technical things, I struggle with figuring out the software, today for example it wouldn’t cooperate and refused to recognize the same mic I used yesterday, aaargh! I’m hoping to come up with an acceptable setup that I can use consistently, but I’m not even close yet. I’m afraid is going to be hit or miss for a while... :-(

#2704968 - 01/14/18 10:12 PM Re: Invention #1 JS Bach-how's the audio? [Re: hbs60]  
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I’m also with Bruce. As one with a passing interest in recording techniques who’s taken a class and has some personal experience, I’d chalk up the “deadness” as being directly related to your closed lid which makes it impossible to get a balanced sound between registers.

I certainly understand the issue with how loud a grand in a small room can be. I just recently returned a Steinway L I had on scholarship and now I have a Boston upright in the same room. It’s nice as I no longer have to practice with earplugs.

#2705069 - 01/15/18 10:05 AM Re: Invention #1 JS Bach-how's the audio? [Re: MikeN]  
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I'll add additionally that I use the "short stick' on my Kawai when I record, which I believe does indeed help to create a better tone quality. In fact, I would try that without doing any other adjustment -- IF you have that option available to you. I agree that if I open the lid to its full extent (the "long stick"), there's simply too much sound for my TASCAM recorder to assimilate in louder sections, even when a good distance from the piano.

#2705072 - 01/15/18 10:09 AM Re: Invention #1 JS Bach-how's the audio? [Re: MikeN]  
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I'll add additionally that I use the "short stick" on my Kawai when I record, which I believe does indeed help to create a better tone quality. In fact, I would try that without doing any other adjustment -- IF you have that option available to you. I agree that if I open the lid to its full extent (the "long stick"), there's simply too much sound for my TASCAM recorder to assimilate in louder sections, even when a good distance from the piano.

#2705080 - 01/15/18 10:35 AM Re: Invention #1 JS Bach-how's the audio? [Re: hbs60]  
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Thanks, will try the "short stick" as I do have it available. In the meantime, here's another recording attempt, the Chopin B minor prelude. My PC wasn't cooperating so I connected my mic to my iPad and recorded with Garage Band, then transferred to my PC for processing. Not sure why the volume seems so much lower but it may be a bit cleaner sound.


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