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Re: Best way to progress in technique [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2705092
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
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Iaroslav, I have found your posts to this forum extremely helpful, and I am very glad that you are sharing your experience and perspectives with us.

Thank you very much! I try to do my best. I'm very glad to hear that I can be of assistance.


The two teachers with whom I have spent the most time grew up and were trained in Russia. My impression from them is that music education in Russia, as under the ABRSM program, has been devised in a way that is thoughtful and holistic.

Coming to piano relatively late in life (I began at age 59), I admire the depth of education provided by those types of approaches. My sense (perhaps I'm wrong) is that many students growing up in the U.S. are sorely in need of (but never receive) similar grounding in fundamentals.

Not to hijack the thread, but purely out of curiosity: One hears that millions and millions of youngsters are studying music seriously in China. Is there an educational approach in that country similar to ABRSM or the Russian system, or is it more catch-as-catch-can, like the U.S.?


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Re: Best way to progress in technique [Re: ClsscLib] #2705096
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Originally Posted by ClsscLib


Not to hijack the thread, but purely out of curiosity: One hears that millions and millions of youngsters are studying music seriously in China. Is there an educational approach in that country similar to ABRSM or the Russian system, or is it more catch-as-catch-can, like the U.S.?


I would expect the Chinese system to be more like the Soviet one: Those who seem to have talent are picked out as early as possible and put through a very thorough education.

Re: Best way to progress in technique [Re: ClsscLib] #2705119
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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
Not to hijack the thread, but purely out of curiosity: One hears that millions and millions of youngsters are studying music seriously in China. Is there an educational approach in that country similar to ABRSM or the Russian system, or is it more catch-as-catch-can, like the U.S.?

It looks like the ABRSM is very popular in China too, where according to the ABRSM chief examiner, there is a large number of kids who have passed Grade 8, when he visited there to talk about the ABRSM diplomas:

During the week I visited four cities, presenting seminars in the capital, Beijing, Dalian in the north east, Wuhan in central China, and Hefei in the east. It can be hard for us in the UK to grasp quite the size and scale of Chinese cities and their populations. The smallest of the cities I visited has a similar sized population to Greater London, whereas Beijing, with a population of just under 25 million, has around three times this number!

At each seminar it quickly became apparent that there is a thriving and growing community of committed, motivated young instrumental teachers in China, keen to develop their music teaching skills, knowledge and understanding. There were around 100 teachers at each seminar – sometimes more.

Many Chinese candidates have already passed Grade 8.....


But their failure rate is also higher than in the UK, and it looks like many of the students there go in at the deep end and enter for Grade 8 as their first exam, from what I remember reading. Unfortunately, the ABRSM have removed their statistics for each grade for each instrument for each country from their website.......


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Re: Best way to progress in technique [Re: asb37] #2705322
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One could argue that practicing scales etc is not a very efficient use of time for an amateur. I have limited time at the piano - usually only 1-2 hours per day. If I can only practice scales 30 mins a day, how long will I have to do that for it to improve my technique? If I practice theX scale for 30 minutes, how long before I actually play a piece with the X scale and use the skills I've acquired? It could be a long time - or never.

I don't know - I've never been convinced that practicing scales makes sense for an amateur who already has reasonable baseline technique. For a complete beginner, or child interested in becoming a professional, then maybe.


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Re: Best way to progress in technique [Re: ClsscLib] #2705844
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From your post, I conclude that you have a very thoughtful teacher, Lady Acadia.


Hi Pianoloverus,
She's a great teacher. I had misgivings of taking up formal lessons at this stage of my life (50+), working full time, involved with church. We keep a notebook so that I know exactly what my homework is, track my progress, music theory instruction, fingering notations, etc. It's also a source of inspiration to see far I've come along and the words of encouragement when I feel like I'm not making much headway with a new piece. My desire is to have a set of skills to continue playing for as long as I'm able. Thank you! smile


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