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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: AnneThailand] #2744801
06/16/18 05:09 AM
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Anne, you mentioned you were able to try the Kawai CS11.
Please note that the CS11 has the same action (Grand Feel II) as the CA78; and when you play the CA78 in "sound mode", you can also get exactly the same sound as with the CS11, since the sound mode uses the same sound engine as the CS11. So at least over headphones you should be able to completely replicate the feel and sound of the CS11.
Which means that, if you liked the feel and sound of the Kawai pianos you tested the most, you would actually be pretty safe with your decision for the CA78.

Then, in addition to the "sound mode", you also get the "pianist mode" in the CA78. This mode uses Kawai's new SK-EX rendering engine, which is based on the same samples as the older engine, so the core sound character is very close to it. But in my opinion it offers improved playability, more realistic resonance and - with headhpones - a more realistic "sitting in front of a piano" sound stage compared to the older engine.
So this should be an improvement rather than a deviation from the sound you were able to test already - but in any case, if you happen not to get along well with it, you will still have the "sound mode" to fall back to.

In regard to CA98 vs. CA78 I would also recommend to go for the CA78, since you wrote you will use mainly headphones.
I actually owned a CA95 (an older CA flagship model also with soundboard) for over 5 years. As it turned out, I practically never used it without headphones, but ended up moving three times within those years, and had the piano transported by real piano movers each time. In hindsight, I could have saved quite a bit of money both with the purchase and in the moving costs, had I gone for a CA65 (same model without soundboard) instead.

I hope this helps with your decision - good luck!


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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Kawai James] #2745359
06/18/18 02:06 PM
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Updated and solved: the one who has the screen problems has been offered a new CA98.


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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Kawai James] #2745435
06/18/18 06:23 PM
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Thank you for the update mabraman. It's good to hear that the customer is being looked after.

I checked the relevant thread of the Spanish forum but could not find any further updates from the customer.

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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Holger Stief] #2745505
06/18/18 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Holger Stief
Anne, you mentioned you were able to try the Kawai CS11.
Please note that the CS11 has the same action (Grand Feel II) as the CA78; and when you play the CA78 in "sound mode", you can also get exactly the same sound as with the CS11, since the sound mode uses the same sound engine as the CS11. So at least over headphones you should be able to completely replicate the feel and sound of the CS11.
Which means that, if you liked the feel and sound of the Kawai pianos you tested the most, you would actually be pretty safe with your decision for the CA78.

Then, in addition to the "sound mode", you also get the "pianist mode" in the CA78. This mode uses Kawai's new SK-EX rendering engine, which is based on the same samples as the older engine, so the core sound character is very close to it. But in my opinion it offers improved playability, more realistic resonance and - with headhpones - a more realistic "sitting in front of a piano" sound stage compared to the older engine.
So this should be an improvement rather than a deviation from the sound you were able to test already - but in any case, if you happen not to get along well with it, you will still have the "sound mode" to fall back to.

In regard to CA98 vs. CA78 I would also recommend to go for the CA78, since you wrote you will use mainly headphones.
I actually owned a CA95 (an older CA flagship model also with soundboard) for over 5 years. As it turned out, I practically never used it without headphones, but ended up moving three times within those years, and had the piano transported by real piano movers each time. In hindsight, I could have saved quite a bit of money both with the purchase and in the moving costs, had I gone for a CA65 (same model without soundboard) instead.

I hope this helps with your decision - good luck!



Hi Holger,

thanks a lot. That´s exactly what I thought. Comparing all the different models (I love the Kawai-website for its comparison charts:-) and knowing that the hammer action as well as one of the two sound modes of CS 11 and CA 98/78 are the same, plus all the excited comments about action and sounds in the forums, I thought I can risk it.

Yesterday I got the message that Kawai needs to ship the piano from Japan only for me. Therefore I will not be able to try it out first and check some of the functions. I really hope I will not face too many troubles with the user interface.

Thanks, your comments affirm me, of course, to go for it. And after what you shared about moving with a big soundboard, I am convinced that a CA 98 would not pay off for me, too.

Best, Anne.

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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Kawai James] #2760710
08/24/18 10:51 AM
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Hello James, just a bit of feedback while I was doing my midi diagnostics I had a thought, perhaps a useful little addition.

I notice that the kawai CA78 piano advertises itself using the string USB-MIDI in the midi device list, I am partly guessing here, not having source code but I suspect this may well be the default string that the windows class compliant usb-midi driver uses or the instrument sends , unless the instrument sends some info to change that upon connection ( lazy programmers hu laugh ). The Casio AP450 I own does indeed advertise itself as Casio USB MIDI by adding the prefix Casio to it, and so does a cheap £40 acorn I have for modwheel use, so it can be done

Lets suppose you had more than one piano from different brands plugged into a PC, and they all used that same default string, you would end up with multiple USB-MIDI listing in the device list, not knowing which is which, so it could get pretty confusing. It is easy enough to find out in other ways, but it's not a very useful way of doing things using that kind of string for the description.

I would expect this is easy to do in a firmware update, I know it is a small detail, but it shows attention to detail kawai perhaps overlooked,so it would end up something like "CA78/98 USB MIDI" in the device listing, not just as the "USB MIDI".

Best regards.

Alex.

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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: AnneThailand] #2760829
08/25/18 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AnneThailand
Originally Posted by Holger Stief
Anne, you mentioned you were able to try the Kawai CS11.
Please note that the CS11 has the same action (Grand Feel II) as the CA78; and when you play the CA78 in "sound mode", you can also get exactly the same sound as with the CS11, since the sound mode uses the same sound engine as the CS11. So at least over headphones you should be able to completely replicate the feel and sound of the CS11.
Which means that, if you liked the feel and sound of the Kawai pianos you tested the most, you would actually be pretty safe with your decision for the CA78.

Then, in addition to the "sound mode", you also get the "pianist mode" in the CA78. This mode uses Kawai's new SK-EX rendering engine, which is based on the same samples as the older engine, so the core sound character is very close to it. But in my opinion it offers improved playability, more realistic resonance and - with headhpones - a more realistic "sitting in front of a piano" sound stage compared to the older engine.
So this should be an improvement rather than a deviation from the sound you were able to test already - but in any case, if you happen not to get along well with it, you will still have the "sound mode" to fall back to.

In regard to CA98 vs. CA78 I would also recommend to go for the CA78, since you wrote you will use mainly headphones.
I actually owned a CA95 (an older CA flagship model also with soundboard) for over 5 years. As it turned out, I practically never used it without headphones, but ended up moving three times within those years, and had the piano transported by real piano movers each time. In hindsight, I could have saved quite a bit of money both with the purchase and in the moving costs, had I gone for a CA65 (same model without soundboard) instead.

I hope this helps with your decision - good luck!



Hi Holger,

thanks a lot. That´s exactly what I thought. Comparing all the different models (I love the Kawai-website for its comparison charts:-) and knowing that the hammer action as well as one of the two sound modes of CS 11 and CA 98/78 are the same, plus all the excited comments about action and sounds in the forums, I thought I can risk it.

Yesterday I got the message that Kawai needs to ship the piano from Japan only for me. Therefore I will not be able to try it out first and check some of the functions. I really hope I will not face too many troubles with the user interface.

Thanks, your comments affirm me, of course, to go for it. And after what you shared about moving with a big soundboard, I am convinced that a CA 98 would not pay off for me, too.

Best, Anne.


Hi Anne..
I also went through from same situation for buying Piano so i can undrstand your Problem.
I also order Kawai CA 78 without demo because it is available here in India agaist confirm order only so demo or comparision was not possible.

Kawai needs to ships the Piano from Japan only for me.Same as you.

I started Thread also " Kawai 78 vs Yamaha CLP 645" and happy with information n advice n suggestions i recd on that Thread & also there are some other helpful Thread specialy one which started by Kawai James.

And finally, i order CA 78 two week back & will recieve by September 1st week.

KAWAI is Very reputed & respected Brand..CA 78 is realy Very good Piano..

So don't worry you will be happy..

Hopefully...you will not regret your Purchase...

Goodluck to you..

Gandhi.

Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Gandhi] #2764475
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Hi Ghandi,
thanks a lot!
My CA 78 has arrived and everything works so far:-)
The sound is fantastic and even with the very cheap headphones it came with, it is brilliant and I can hardly believe that I am playing a digital piano, it feels so real:-)

Good luck to you, as well. I hope the shipment from Japan to India will not take long (mine took only two weeks, although it was said I needed to wait six weeks...).

Best regards,
Anne.

Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: AnneThailand] #2764484
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Originally Posted by AnneThailand
Hi Ghandi,
thanks a lot!
My CA 78 has arrived and everything works so far:-)
The sound is fantastic and even with the very cheap headphones it came with, it is brilliant and I can hardly believe that I am playing a digital piano, it feels so real:-)

Good luck to you, as well. I hope the shipment from Japan to India will not take long (mine took only two weeks, although it was said I needed to wait six weeks...).

Best regards,
Anne.


Congratulation.....

Thank you very much for your kind input...

Hopefully I will get my Piano on 13th september...

Enjoy your New Piano...

Gandhi

Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: AnneThailand] #2764488
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Originally Posted by AnneThailand
Hi Ghandi,
thanks a lot!
My CA 78 has arrived and everything works so far:-)
The sound is fantastic and even with the very cheap headphones it came with, it is brilliant and I can hardly believe that I am playing a digital piano, it feels so real:-)


Do invest in some mid-range headphones to take advantage of the sound engine. There are plenty of discussions about headphones
on this forum and elsewhere, but the BeyerDynamic DT 990 Pro or the Sennheiser HD 598/599 are solid choices.

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