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Re: Duane Shinn 52 Week Crash Course [Re: TonyB] #2779614
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Here is a song from lesson 31 (Chiapanecas) don't ask me to pronounce that. smile This song is not arranged yet, only played as written. I'm going to start working on the arrangement today. I'm a little worried because in this lesson Duane doesn't breakdown very clearly everything he does. He just plays the song different ways while saying, "you can do this and you can do that," etc. I will have to pause the video every few seconds to see where he's putting his fingers and then figure out why it works.

This is a departure from previous lessons where he slowly tells you exactly what he is doing and why he's doing it. Hopefully the rest of the lessons aren't like this. Let's see how long it takes for me to get the arrangement down. The arrangement is going to be semi-custom because he gives several examples of what can be done with the song.



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David -

I enjoyed your lively "as written" version and am looking forward to what else you do with it.

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I finished lesson 31. Here is Chiapanecas arranged. It's not really polished, but I'm ready to put this song behind me. No new techniques were taught in this lesson. Just more arrangement examples. I'll play it as written and then arranged. I've started lesson 32 and it doesn't look like there is anything new in lesson 32 either. However, there is a Czerny exercise that seems to have a nice melody to it.



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I am SERIOUSLY impressed, David! And . . . you've provided a really nice musical interlude, to boot.

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Thank you for posting your progress David, you do a wonderful job on these songs. I want you to know i Find great encouragement in your playing. I sometimes go through this thread and listen to some of your videos when my head tells me I can't do this. Listening to you has helped keep me going.


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Man! I’m reading through this thread and I have to say that I’m impressed!
The videos are demonstrating just what i want to be able to do, myonly issue is the price...yikes, thats a chunk of change.


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Maybe goes down a little easier if thought of as $25/month over the 3 years it may take you to complete the course. (Various posts suggest that mastering a lesson per week is not realistic.)

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Originally Posted by pwl
I am SERIOUSLY impressed, David! And . . . you've provided a really nice musical interlude, to boot.


Amen! Part of the fun is figuring out how to arrange the songs. Even us beginners can be creative.

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Thank you for posting your progress David, you do a wonderful job on these songs. I want you to know i Find great encouragement in your playing. I sometimes go through this thread and listen to some of your videos when my head tells me I can't do this. Listening to you has helped keep me going.


Your affirmation encourages my heart. I don't have any special aptitude for playing the piano. We just need to put the time in and we can all succeed in improving our ability to play. Duane (RIP) has put together a very practical series of lessons. We can be grateful for his contribution as an educator.

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Man! I’m reading through this thread and I have to say that I’m impressed!
The videos are demonstrating just what i want to be able to do, myonly issue is the price...yikes, thats a chunk of change.


Yeah, it's definitely the more expensive material out there. However, you'd pay a lot more money for weekly lessons with a private instructor in one year. Also, take into consideration that the 52-week course is actually three years of material.

I had in interest free (for one year) credit card offer that I used to purchase the materials. I also purchased Duane's Praise and Gospel series and Pro Secrets at the same time with the 52-Week Crash Course. It took me about eight months to pay it all off. I also received a 200 dollar cash reward for using the credit card and spending 1000 dollars in the first 3 months. So I had an interest free loan and 200 discount on the materials. Not a bad deal.

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I am SERIOUSLY impressed, David! And . . . you've provided a really nice musical interlude, to boot.


Amen! Part of the fun is figuring out how to arrange the songs. Even us beginners can be creative.

Originally Posted by dcupright
Thank you for posting your progress David, you do a wonderful job on these songs. I want you to know i Find great encouragement in your playing. I sometimes go through this thread and listen to some of your videos when my head tells me I can't do this. Listening to you has helped keep me going.


Your affirmation encourages my heart. I don't have any special aptitude for playing the piano. We just need to put the time in and we can all succeed in improving our ability to play. Duane (RIP) has put together a very practical series of lessons. We can be grateful for his contribution as an educator.

Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Man! I’m reading through this thread and I have to say that I’m impressed!
The videos are demonstrating just what i want to be able to do, myonly issue is the price...yikes, thats a chunk of change.


Yeah, it's definitely the more expensive material out there. However, you'd pay a lot more money for weekly lessons with a private instructor in one year. Also, take into consideration that the 52-week course is actually three years of material.

I had in interest free (for one year) credit card offer that I used to purchase the materials. I also purchased Duane's Praise and Gospel series and Pro Secrets at the same time with the 52-Week Crash Course. It took me about eight months to pay it all off. I also received a 200 dollar cash reward for using the credit card and spending 1000 dollars in the first 3 months. So I had an interest free loan and 200 discount on the materials. Not a bad deal.

God Bless,
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Ok! Im in...just purchased.

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Now that I have the course..I'm looking forward to fiddling with some lead sheets.

What Fake-book do you recommend for a beginner or are they basically all the same?

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Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Now that I have the course..I'm looking forward to fiddling with some lead sheets.

What Fake-book do you recommend for a beginner or are they basically all the same?


i have been using the Scott Houston Fake Book to apply the things I am learning in Duane's course. Everything is in the key of C, which is the only key that is taught in the first 8 lessons so it fits well. I like the songs and it helps me have a little variety. It takes me a lot longer to get through a lesson but that is ok, I am enjoying the journey wherever it takes me.

There are tons of easy Fake books out there just Google that and you will find plenty of options no matter what your musical taste is.


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Now that I have the course..I'm looking forward to fiddling with some lead sheets.

What Fake-book do you recommend for a beginner or are they basically all the same?


i have been using the Scott Houston Fake Book to apply the things I am learning in Duane's course. Everything is in the key of C, which is the only key that is taught in the first 8 lessons so it fits well. I like the songs and it helps me have a little variety. It takes me a lot longer to get through a lesson but that is ok, I am enjoying the journey wherever it takes me.

There are tons of easy Fake books out there just Google that and you will find plenty of options no matter what your musical taste is.

Thanks Doug, I did see that one on Amazon and thought it looked good.

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Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Ok! Im in...just purchased.


Congrats on the purchase. I hope you enjoy the journey.


Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Now that I have the course..I'm looking forward to fiddling with some lead sheets.

What Fake-book do you recommend for a beginner or are they basically all the same?


I'm not sure what "fake-books" are. Sorry for my ignorance. Keep in mind that there are eight books that come with the 52-week course. They include around 200 songs. I've found that to finish this course in any reasonable timeframe doesn't leave much room for extracurricular work. However, that just might be a quirk of mine. I tend to hyper-focus on stuff I get involved with. Please keep us updated on your progress once you start the course.

God Bless,
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A fake book is a big book of songs that only shows the notes for the melody, with the chord names listed above. Sound familiar? You might like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Hymn-Fake-Bo...p;sr=8-1&keywords=the+hymn+fake+book


Oh, here's another one: https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Fak...words=the+ultimate+fake+book+5th+edition

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Ok! Im in...just purchased.


Congrats on the purchase. I hope you enjoy the journey.


Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Now that I have the course..I'm looking forward to fiddling with some lead sheets.

What Fake-book do you recommend for a beginner or are they basically all the same?


I'm not sure what "fake-books" are. Sorry for my ignorance. Keep in mind that there are eight books that come with the 52-week course. They include around 200 songs. I've found that to finish this course in any reasonable timeframe doesn't leave much room for extracurricular work. However, that just might be a quirk of mine. I tend to hyper-focus on stuff I get involved with. Please keep us updated on your progress once you start the course.

God Bless,
David

Thanks! I will certainly do that.

I'm just a bit hyper when I start something, I tend to go overboard. I'd rather have more to read and study than less though I know I will be busy!

My DP comes today but the bench, stand and sustain pedal won't be here until tomorrow!!! arggg...

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Well, im in lesson #1
Im 100% beginner, no previous experience. So far i can say that playing is harder than I thought it would be (with my dreams of grandeur).

I can see that it will take me more than a week for each lesson which is fine with me.

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Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Well, im in lesson #1
Im 100% beginner, no previous experience. So far i can say that playing is harder than I thought it would be (with my dreams of grandeur).

I can see that it will take me more than a week for each lesson which is fine with me.


The only absolute requirement needed for eventual success is that you do not quit.


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Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Well, im in lesson #1
Im 100% beginner, no previous experience. So far i can say that playing is harder than I thought it would be (with my dreams of grandeur).

I can see that it will take me more than a week for each lesson which is fine with me.


I spend about a month on each lesson


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Well, im in lesson #1
Im 100% beginner, no previous experience. So far i can say that playing is harder than I thought it would be (with my dreams of grandeur).

I can see that it will take me more than a week for each lesson which is fine with me.


The only absolute requirement needed for eventual success is that you do not quit.





I'm not much of a quitter, I have a personality quirk that makes me steam ahead and not quit. Sometimes that's good and sometimes it's bad smile
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Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
Well, im in lesson #1
Im 100% beginner, no previous experience. So far i can say that playing is harder than I thought it would be (with my dreams of grandeur).

I can see that it will take me more than a week for each lesson which is fine with me.


I spend about a month on each lesson


I'm guessing that's what will happen with me. On a brighter note, the first few pieces were much easier after practicing a couple of days and sleeping on it.


One question not related to this particular topic; how do I see updates to this thread? I don't get emails when someone posts nor is there a "see your followed threads" button that I can see.

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[quote=PianoWVBob] I spend about a month on each lesson

Wow. Actually, that's encouraging. I've started several; times, go as far as I can sight read, then say I can't do this, and quit. So maybe I'll try again in the new year. Meanwhile I have flute tunes to learn for December Sundays. Have a wonderful holiday season, all!

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I finished lesson 32 and there was nothing really notable in this lesson, but I did have some fun arranging a little Czerny exercise called Melody In Thirds. It’s my arrangement using the techniques that I’ve learned in the course so far, i.e., chording, arpeggios, walkup/downs, and runs. It’s a nice tune to practice some of those earlier skills that Duane taught. I change the tempo and feel in the second half of the song. I do make mistakes playing it, but I’m ready to move on. I’ll play it once through as written and then arranged. The piano is my new Garritan CFX lite.



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Nice job!

That helps me to look ahead at what's possible while I'm still on Lesson 1.

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David - To say that I'm impressed with your progress would be a huge understatement! Well done.

Your posts and videos here are the best advertisement for this course, and I find myself considering the purchase more and more. The only thing holding me back at this point is the cost. To save me the effort of searching thru this long thread, could you answer a few questions for me? (PM me if you don't want to post answers here...)

1. Did you start the course as a complete beginner or did you have any experience with piano beforehand?

2. What key(s) are the lessons presented in?

3. At this point, do you also play from fake books/leadsheets from outside the course? If so, I'd love to see a video of that.

4. I can't really tell, but you don't seem to look at the score while playing. Do you memorize each song in its entirety, or is it a goal of yours not to depend on the sheet very much?

Thanks, and keep up the great progress!


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David - To say that I'm impressed with your progress would be a huge understatement! Well done.


Bless your heart.

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1. Did you start the course as a complete beginner or did you have any experience with piano beforehand?


I started playing two years prior to the Duane Shinn course, but I had no formal instruction and did not learn much. Pretty much everything that I can play right now I've learned from the 52 week course.

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So far we've covered C Major, A minor, and G Major. I think we'll be moving to F Major soon. I don't know how many keys are covered, but probably not much more than that.

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No. I have worked on a few hymns outside of the course using what I've learned from Duane to play beyond what's in the hymnal. However, this course takes my full attention.

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4. I can't really tell, but you don't seem to look at the score while playing. Do you memorize each song in its entirety, or is it a goal of yours not to depend on the sheet very much?


I have to read the music to learn the songs but since the songs are so simple, they are easy to memorize. It just happens that way. Of course I don't remember songs from previous lessons so I would have to read the music to play those again. Reading music is the hardest part of this course for me. I don't know if I'll ever be proficient at it. I couldn't read at all before starting the course and I'm a little better at it now.

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Thanks, and keep up the great progress!


Thank you. I'm going to keep doing the best I can. I really look forward to these lessons and I wish I didn't dilly-dally for two years prior to this course. This course has helped feel like I'm actually beginning to learn how to play the piano.

God Bless,
David

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David do you practice each song in the lesson individually before moving to the next song or do you work on them as a group? I am starting lesson 9 tonight, and have always played one song then the next. After learning them all as written I start adding in the few arrangement techniques I have learned so far. I am wondering if this is slowing me down.

I was thinking about only playing the first song in lesson 9 until I can play it fairly well before moving to song 2.

Since you are getting such great results I wondered if you would share the way you do things.


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David do you practice each song in the lesson individually before moving to the next song or do you work on them as a group?


As a group while I'm learning the songs the way they are written in the book. Once I can play them as written in the book, I then work on them individually for the arrangement.

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I am wondering if this is slowing me down.


It's taken me two years to get to lesson 33. Slow and steady has been key for me. I haven't been focusing on anything else, only this course. I believe these lessons would benefit more advanced players and they could move at a faster pace. Nothing I've learned in this course has come easy. I would take as much time as necessary to learn what is being taught. It sounds like you're doing a good job. Keep it up.

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I was thinking about only playing the first song in lesson 9 until I can play it fairly well before moving to song 2. Since you are getting such great results I wondered if you would share the way you do things.


That's what I generally do.

Keep in mind that there are some things that can only develop with time. We need to consider intelligently what an adequate level of performance is before we can move on. Some of the syncopated stuff (such as Jingle Bells) was really hard for me to learn, but I felt my brain needed to be wired for that before I moved on. Now the syncopation comes a litter easier.

Runs were really difficult for me at first, however, I feel like they are getting a little better now. If I would have waited for my runs to smooth out before moving on, I'd still be in lesson 17. That's the beauty of this course. There is ample opportunity to develop the techniques being taught throughout the course because of all the songs that are covered.

I've been taking a slower approach doing one song at a time like you suggested. It might be another two years before I finish this course because that's as fast as I'm capable of learning it to the degree I'm comfortable with. I did not think it was going to take this long when I started it. It is called a 1 year course. I wish I could learn these things faster, but my 45 year old brain doesn't have the plasticity it once did.

Thankfully, Duane makes this course very interesting and practical. He mentioned in the last lesson that we will be getting into chord substitutions soon and I'm really looking forward to that.

Hang in there. We shall bear fruit.

God Bless,
David


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Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions so throughly David. Nothing has come easy for me either, but I am loving the journey.


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