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#2672391 - 09/02/17 06:56 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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You're still not really getting it, David. This isn't about making little textual changes so that if someone hunts around for long enough and carefully reads all of the text on the page they might eventually be able to figure out that he sells pianos. The whole concept is misleading; moving the banner would make it maybe 5% less misleading.

For example, why does it need to be in the disclaimer? Why not include sales in the name of the site instead of just reviews and news? Why not eliminate all of the references to independent expertise and not connection to any store, and say this is his site where he sells pianos and includes reviews on the pianos that he can obtain for you at a good price? Why not have a button with his phone number and "call us for our best price on this model" alongside the review? Basically, why not actually make it an up-front sales site? The only reason can be to mislead people.

I googled "piano shop" and the first link that came up was piano warehouse (disclaimer: I have no connection with this site!): http://www.piano-warehouse.co.uk/. Now take a look at that. Within seconds, anyone visiting that will understand that this a shop that SELLS pianos. I didn't have look for a disclaimer, or decode an e-mail address, or notice some mention of shipping/tax and guess that somehow some selling must take place. I can see "Shop Pianos" at the top, I can see prices, I can see "our store" etc.. This is what an honest retailer does - they make it clear that they're selling, they don't try to hide it and mislead people into thinking that it's something else. I don't believe you can't see the difference.


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#2672394 - 09/02/17 07:05 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: karvala]  
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Originally Posted by karvala
You're still not really getting it, David.


I get it.

Tim Parskins is not someone you would buy a piano from.

I have and would again in the future.

God Bless,
David


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#2672430 - 09/03/17 01:01 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: David B]  
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Originally Posted by David B
Originally Posted by karvala
You're still not really getting it, David.


I get it.

Tim Parskins is not someone you would buy a piano from.

I have and would again in the future.

God Bless,
David


Er...no, you're clearly not getting it at all. Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse? For your sake I hope it's deliberate anyway.

There are others on this thread who have bought from him - and may do so again - but they still identify the somewhat distasteful business practice in evidence.

A casual glance shows his site to be a review site, not a sales site. That's the problem because as soon as sales are involved one has to question the impartiality of his reviews. You have not addressed my point about his 'review' of the Samick factory direct sell-off. He really glows about them (because he can makes lots of money from them) and yet they will be vastly inferior to other products he doesn't recommend. That is bias driven by his own commercial objectives. It's not a review site, it is a sales site. So why does he deliberately obfuscate that fact?

Over the years there have been a number of posters here who quote his 'reviews' as some kind of high authority. It is often very clear the persons quoting him have not grasped that he is a piano salesman. They didn't realise because he disguises that fact. Why doesn't he rename his site 'Tim Praskins Piano Sales'? Under each product listing he could have a section entitled 'What I think about the xxxxx'. Shoppers could then consider his review within the context of his role as a sales person.

Now do you get it?

#2672435 - 09/03/17 02:13 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: David B]  
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Originally Posted by David B
That disclaimer is not hard to find since it's embedded on every page at the bottom.

One thing almost every bottom-of-the-page disclaimer has in common... most people don't read them. ;-)

I think the point is that he needs a "disclaimer" at all. If he weren't being coy on the main part of the site about being a dealer, he wouldn't need a disclaimer at the bottom telling you that he is. It would be obvious. As I see it, the disclaimer you use as evidence that it's obvious he's a dealer is actually evidence of the reverse.

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#2672437 - 09/03/17 03:36 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: EssBrace]  
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Originally Posted by EssBrace


Now do you get it?


Yes. I get it.

I choose to believe what is readily available on his website. His disclaimer is clear and easily accessible on every page of his website. He seems forthright and honest about his business practice.

You disagree with that. Carry on.

God Bless,
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#2672444 - 09/03/17 05:31 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: David B]  
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Originally Posted by David B
His disclaimer is clear and easily accessible on every page of his website. He seems forthright and honest about his business practice.


Straightforward businesses don't need disclaimers. Consequently your second sentence is, inevitably, false.

#2672499 - 09/03/17 10:23 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: EssBrace]  
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by David B
His disclaimer is clear and easily accessible on every page of his website. He seems forthright and honest about his business practice.


Straightforward businesses don't need disclaimers. Consequently your second sentence is, inevitably, false.


It's very common for straightforward, online businesses to have disclaimers. They are usually buried in the "terms of use."

That is inevitable.

God Bless,
David




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#2672506 - 09/03/17 10:45 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: David B]  
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Originally Posted by David B
It's very common for straightforward, online businesses to have disclaimers. They are usually buried in the "terms of use."


There are disclaimers and there are disclaimers. Here's Sweetwater's: https://www.sweetwater.com/about/terms-of-use.php

It basically says, we try to provide the best information that we can, but you can't sue us if it's wrong or if something doesn't work. That's a legal CYA. It's not disclaiming the basic function/purpose of the site.

Even the word "disclaimer" implies, "this might not be what you expect." Why would his "disclaimer" have to let you know that he sells pianos, if it were obvious from the site that he sells pianos? That's the kind of thing where, if you don't mislead, you don't need to disclaim.

But as I said, I've bought from him, and it was a good experience. Marketing is marketing, I've seen much worse, and he does have some good info there, As always, it pays to be an observant consumer, but I feel better about putting money in his pocket than I do about, for example, some of the phone and cable companies. Talk about deceptive business practices... But yeah, I still pay my phone and internet bills. ;-)

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#2672550 - 09/03/17 02:24 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: anotherscott]  
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Marketing is marketing, I've seen much worse, and he does have some good info there, As always, it pays to be an observant consumer, but I feel better about putting money in his pocket than I do about, for example, some of the phone and cable companies

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#2672755 - 09/04/17 11:44 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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For those who dislike Tim Praskins, please do me a favor and name me one other site that reviews such a large number of digital pianos of different makes and is kept relatively up to date. When I was looking for a digital piano, I would have been totally lost without Tim's site.

#2672785 - 09/04/17 02:20 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: David Farley]  
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Originally Posted by David Farley
I finally figured it out. The whole look and feel of the AZ Piano Reviews site reminds me of the old DAK catalogs. Not sure if DAK ever sold a piano, but for those who remember the 80s, enjoy:

https://archive.org/details/1984-Fall-DAK-Catalog


HaHa I used to love that catalog - not to order from, but to laugh at! laugh


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#2672786 - 09/04/17 02:43 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: HDer]  
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Originally Posted by HDer
For those who dislike Tim Praskins, please do me a favor and name me one other site that reviews such a large number of digital pianos of different makes and is kept relatively up to date.


http://e-piano-tests.de/

No, not seriously.

That's actually a site that only "reviews" pianos that happen to be sold by Musikhaus Kirstein. And all the reviewed pianos happen to be just fine and decent and worth buying. And Kirstein just happens to have an ad on the site.

I don't think the connection is made really clear anywhere. (Not that I have really looked carefully and not that I really understand German well. )

Makes Tim Praskins look like a saint. wink

#2672842 - 09/04/17 08:03 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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I think everybody has had their say on this now.

#2672847 - 09/04/17 08:22 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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You all are just jealous that Praskins does reviews that are better and more in-depth than anything this sight has to offer. This forum was kind of fun at first but has become sort of a joke.

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