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#1631164 - 03/02/11 02:19 AM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: kishonti]  
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Hello everyone,
I've ordered my FP-7F WHITE from Yupangco in Manila all is well. It sure is nice to hear the young people practicing and playing during my work day here in the Philippines. Notation is very good and the time couldn't be better! Play every day.
JIM


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#1631460 - 03/02/11 01:59 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: JIM1944]  
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While everyone is opening Pandora's boxes I may as well too...if i was going to get another DP I would take into heavy consideration one that had the less thud when the key is bottoming. It's not really an issue when using headphones but if i'm playing through the speakers i can hear this thud and of course when i'm playing with headphones others in the house hear just the thud...this is on my yamaha p155 but in past discussions the Rolands have been mentioned as having this achilles heel as well. It seems the kawai's are the one which are best at having dealt with this issue and so i'm wondering how their models (cp33...?) might compare to the fp-7f in other regards, sound, feel etc., seeing that they apparently win out in the 'lack of thud' department.

#1631481 - 03/02/11 02:24 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: limavady]  
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Originally Posted by limavady
While everyone is opening Pandora's boxes I may as well too...if i was going to get another DP I would take into heavy consideration one that had the less thud when the key is bottoming. It's not really an issue when using headphones but if i'm playing through the speakers i can hear this thud and of course when i'm playing with headphones others in the house hear just the thud...this is on my yamaha p155 but in past discussions the Rolands have been mentioned as having this achilles heel as well. It seems the kawai's are the one which are best at having dealt with this issue and so i'm wondering how their models (cp33...?) might compare to the fp-7f in other regards, sound, feel etc., seeing that they apparently win out in the 'lack of thud' department.


The CP33 is a Yamaha. I think you're thinking of the Kawai CN33. I'd think the FP-7F is amongst the better DPs in sound and feel. It's a killer little home piano for the money.


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#1631488 - 03/02/11 02:32 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: kishonti]  
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I love my FP-7F but it wakes my wife up with the key thudding when I play after-hours with headphones. And the keyboard is in the living room while the master bedroom is one floor up and down the hall. So I'm just trying to convince her to stay up later smile


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#1631509 - 03/02/11 02:56 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: kishonti]  
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PianoZac, yes the kawai CN33, my mistake. ---I'm not in a position to be considering a purchase at this time (but maybe that's a good thing for more objective comparison!) but this is what I'd be weighing. As mezzie says the thud is something that can be noticed. On my P155 i mostly play with headphones but when no one's around I unplug those to get the vibe of playing in the room (with the cat and doggie as my audience!)---Then at times the thud will bother me and other times I'll hardly seem to be aware of it. Just hate to put that consideration ahead of sound and touch but have to admit for me anyway it is up there at any rate.

#1632138 - 03/03/11 02:59 AM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: mezzie]  
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Hahaha ..... love the solution ... just make your wife tired smile

#1632601 - 03/03/11 03:35 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: JFP]  
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I wish it would be a firmware fix.... but I've been in contact with Roland for the past 3-4 months about this issue, and I just keep being fobbed off by Japan about the problem.... and it sounds like nothing is going to be fixed, as it's a problem with the actual processor (hardware) so they can't really do anything. I'm in contact with the head technician from the UK, and I've been talking to him.... and I finally got a message from the guy today saying how nothing will probably be done, and that the problem doesn't happen with the FP-7F.


So nice to hear theres no problems with the FP processor... I'll have to try one out for myself obviously, but I'm very annoyed that I'm 'downgrading' because i'm going to loose a lot of features... and it really has annoyed me, as I have a perfect stage piano sitting there but with this one big issue. It seems to be a problem with just the RD's processors that can't handle SN pianos....

What would you suggest I do???

Thanks smile

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#1632627 - 03/03/11 04:10 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: kishonti]  
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JHbackingtracks, if you don't mind moving the extra 14lbs, I'd suggest you look at the MP10. I think probably even better action, with really good piano voices, and all the features you need.


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#1632813 - 03/03/11 07:42 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: kishonti]  
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JHbackingtracks, I hate to sound like the forum police, but did you ask the Roland chap if you could repost this private correspondence on a public forum?

If you did, and he's has no problems, that's perfectly fine. However, if you didn't, I suggest it would be courteous to edit your message and wait for his approval.

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#1632966 - 03/03/11 10:29 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: RolandRD2000]  
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Originally Posted by JHbackingtracks
due to the fact it’s a hardware (CPU speed)


I have played two different roland rd700nx stage pianos here, and this problem didn't exist in for me. I used pianos wet and dry of all three models and had absolutely no problems. I couldn't reproduce the issue at all. I played fast notes and chords in the same manner and everything was fine. So either they fixed it a while ago, or something else is wrong. :-/

This also makes me questions roland's support personnel knowledge. To my ears it sounds like it's probably not processing issues. I've heard other sampled instruments with similar issues that were considered to be running normally. It is usually related to the release sample's decay time or 'cutoff', or however roland's release system works.

It sounds like there is a setting or something that is wrong causing a faster than normal release decay time. I would try resetting the board to factory defaults. And if that doesn't work maybe it is a defective model?

I'm not sure if any of this helps, but the model I played was a dream. I hope the issue is gone by now, because I plan on possibly getting this over the fp-7f for live shows...

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#1633248 - 03/04/11 10:08 AM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: kishonti]  
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It is a shame that RD-700NX has any type issue with the processor, because the NX is an outstanding board. I think for those unhappy with the issue should look into the MP10 hard for an 'acoustic-like' experience. I'd say Kawai's RM3 Wooden action/keys is the best (AG not withstanding) reproduction of grand piano action out in a digital piano, not to mention the UPHI in the MP10 has produced some outstanding sounding pianos. Just a thought for those wanting that acoustic vibe...


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#1633252 - 03/04/11 10:14 AM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: Kawai James]  
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Thanks for the heads up wink

have edited it!

Thanks

#1633266 - 03/04/11 10:25 AM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: PianoZac]  
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It really is a shame, because to me the Roland was perfect for everything I wanted to do, expect this problem.

I don't particularly like the look of the Kawai (as in the way it looks) But I suppose it's not really about that, but after being used to a Roland... Will I still be able to completely edit my sounds (like the piano designer and electric piano designer etc.) and save custom patches that I can go through in a live show?? I think the main thing is the audio playback feature, it was nice being able to assign a foot pedal to trigger a backing track on the Roland... and I really liked the look of the audio key, shame it was taken away on the NX from the GX. However, Roland don't seem to be able to handle running audio and keeping 128 note polyphony, why it has to compromise it, I don't know!

I've been used to doing live shows on 'mainstage' that comes with Logic on my mac, and yes it uses more processing power running a backing track, but it certainly doesn't cut down my polyphony... the FP seems to do a lot of the RD features, and I like how it has SN pianos (But will they be the SAME or as good as the NX pianos I don't know) I could probably live with NON SN electric pianos, and the other sounds will be similar I guess, but I'll really miss having access to knobs and faders and being able to quicky press buttons to get to where I want to be etc. So really not sure what I should do... but what ever I do end up doing, I'm going to test these keyboards to the max while trying them out.

I'm really disappointed in Roland, all the hassle this has caused me, being my first Roland keyboard.... Aren't Roland supposed to be like the APPLE MAC of keyboard world!!??


#1633395 - 03/04/11 01:52 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: RolandRD2000]  
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Originally Posted by JHbackingtracks


I'm really disappointed in Roland, all the hassle this has caused me, being my first Roland keyboard.... Aren't Roland supposed to be like the APPLE MAC of keyboard world!!??



No, the competition between Yamaha, Roland, Kawai, Korg, and Nord is much much closer than the Apple to PC competition, with Apple being the obviously superior platform. wink Gotta love Mac!


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#1634057 - 03/05/11 11:04 AM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: PianoZac]  
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Originally Posted by PianoZac
Originally Posted by JHbackingtracks


I'm really disappointed in Roland, all the hassle this has caused me, being my first Roland keyboard.... Aren't Roland supposed to be like the APPLE MAC of keyboard world!!??



No, the competition between Yamaha, Roland, Kawai, Korg, and Nord is much much closer than the Apple to PC competition, with Apple being the obviously superior platform. wink Gotta love Mac!


Haha, couldn't agree more laugh

#1634285 - 03/05/11 04:23 PM Re: I played Roland FP-7F today - very nice action! [Re: PianoZac]  
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Originally Posted by PianoZac


Gotta love Mac!


My girlfriend thinks i'm a Mac fan boy. Been struggling with that recently.. mad

My FP-7F and MacBook Pro get on like a house on fire.. thumb

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