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Posted By: Martinez Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 02/29/20 01:09 PM
Since the Kawai CA79 / CA99 are new models that just hit the stores, there should only be handful of owners by now. Who has one? I'll start: Kawai CA79 in black. I am just a beginner, but I love it!
Posted By: navindra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 12:28 AM
How does Classic compare to Classic 2?
Posted By: tifa3 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 01:34 AM
can you please comment on how the onboard speakers sound? Are they powerful enough?
How's the action?
Posted By: mwf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 02:07 AM
I've heard speakers not very powerful, don't know about action, supposed to be ok
Posted By: TomBom Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 04:44 AM
I’m not an owner right now, but I will be in the next few weeks. However I was able to play the CA79 in a music store in Germany for a couple of hours the last two days. That’s my first Impression:

- The GF-3 action seems to be a bit lighter than the GF-2 action. But I’m not quite sure because I only test-played the previous model (CA78) a couple of months ago and don’t own a model with a GF-2 action. Probably I’m wrong. But my first Impression was: Wow, that’s very light. Anyway, after some minutes of constantly playing I got used to it and really liked the action. I played some Bach pieces with trills and then superfast scales and the overall feeling and especially in fast passages was superb. My fingers flew over the keys like never before. Ok, actually I’m playing on a cheap Keyboard with a very stiff plastic-action smile So my “technical improvement” is probably not very surprising. I met a piano teacher in the store. She was there with her pupil and recommended the CA58 because of the heavier action. She told me that the “repetition behavior” of the CA58 action is more comparable to an acoustic grand than the very light action from the CA79. She also tested the Casio GP 310/510 und a Roland Model with her pupil but still recommended the CA58 due to the action. I’m not quite sure if she was somehow biased, because of the higher price of the CA79 (she didn’t like the touchscreen and the whole idea of sound-customization at all: she said her style of playing is the only source for a sound-customization not the machine). I never played an acoustic so I can’t compare the actions to verify her opinion. I also like the older CA58 action, but the GF-3 feels much more pleasant, at least for me.

- I didn’t really check the onboard speakers, because it was quite noisy there. But the sound over the headphones was very sharp at the first glance (without any adjustments). I tried the SK-EX Concert Grand with the SK-EX-Rendering and I know that Kawai grands have a very “brilliant” sound but in my ears the sound was in the C4-C5 region to sharp and unpleasant. So I asked the staff for some other headphones because they gave me very cheap headphones at first. I don’t remember now, which second headphone model they gave me, but the next try clearly changed my audio perception. The sound was very nice and much more warmer than before. Then I tried the other grand and the two piano models and made some VT-adjustments. Each of them sounded lovely and with some adjustments probably even more (especially: changing the voicing to “dynamic”). I also tried the headphone adjustments (phone type / shs mode) in the option but it seemed that they wouldn’t change the sound very much. Finally, the out-of-the-box sound is still perfect with good headphones (at least for me). So if you plan to use the instrument primary over headphones, then you really should save some bucks and buy good headphones otherwise it could end in a disappointing experience.

- I also tried to modify my previously saved user sounds which worked fine. But you can’t overwrite an old user sound. It will always save it as a new sound even with the same name. But I think that’s not a problem.

- Finally I checked the VT user voicing/tuning/key-volume etc. But I couldn’t find these options. I read in the announcement thread that they will be available someday (in a post from Kawai James: [88-key "User" Virtual Technician adjustments will be possible.]). But for now these user defined VT-options are not available (or I overlooked them). Since the user manual seems to be something like a first draft (CA79: 94 pages / CA78: 176 pages) it seems to me that they still working on the UI and will probably release an update in the next weeks/months. But I’m sure that some kawai officials here can provide more information.

- The new UI is very nice and very intuitive. But it’s not very fast (I recognized some stuttering) and you will find some old problems from the CA78 also here. I often skipped two pianos instead of one and while I tried some VT adjustments it happened that I changed some options while I slided down or up. But I’m sure anyone will get used to it and won’t have much problems in the long run because of an adapted “user touch behavior” while using the UI.

Summarized it is a great digital piano and I’m looking forward to play it at home in the next vew weeks. It would be great to read some more opinions here. Perhaps someone already tried the recorder and could write if it’s working properly without any problems.
Posted By: giu Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 07:36 AM
Originally Posted by TomBom


- The GF-3 action seems to be a bit lighter than the GF-2 action. But I’m not quite sure because I only test-played the previous model (CA78) a couple of months ago and don’t own a model with a GF-2 action. Probably I’m wrong. But my first Impression was: Wow, that’s very light. Anyway, after some minutes of constantly playing I got used to it and really liked the action. I played some Bach pieces with trills and then superfast scales and the overall feeling and especially in fast passages was superb. My fingers flew over the keys like never before. Ok, actually I’m playing on a cheap Keyboard with a very stiff plastic-action smile So my “technical improvement” is probably not very surprising. I met a piano teacher in the store. She was there with her pupil and recommended the CA58 because of the heavier action. She told me that the “repetition behavior” of the CA58 action is more comparable to an acoustic grand than the very light action from the CA79.

I totally agree with this assessment (see my post on the 79 vs 78 vs NV5).

May be the 79 action compares well to some grand (eg Steinway). I do not know as I have never tried one. But it is lighter than all the baby grands I have tried (Yamaha, Kawai, Bosendorfer). The same is true of my MP11 and the NV10. The actions of Yamaha Avantgrand, Kawai NV5 and CA78 are instead more similar to those of the above baby grands. Since this is what I am after, after trying the 79 and 99, I have put down a deposit on the last CA98 available in the country.
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 08:22 AM
Maybe playing a little with the touch curve towards heavier action would impact the feeling of the very light action?
Posted By: 9190 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 09:56 AM
That’s very disappointing for me to read that the new GFIII action is light and even lighter than GF/GFII.
Posted By: giu Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 10:14 AM
Lighter than GFII, but comparable to GF.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 03:13 PM
Also interesting instrument.... and first pictures of the EP finish:

https://store.shimamura.co.jp/ec/pr...2181219.1583074755-1112884241.1583074755

Galuwen
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 03:14 PM
Originally Posted by giu
Lighter than GFII, but comparable to GF.

This is very strange considering GFIII is almost identical to GFII, why would it be lighter? They changed weighting out of a blue? I don't get it.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 04:26 PM
I never played a GF-I, was it so much lighter than a GF-II? I know it is very personal but it's odd to see such divergent opinions on the GF-III.
Posted By: mwf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 06:15 PM
Not looking good for the new. Models imo, underpowered speakers, too light an action...
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 06:19 PM
Originally Posted by mwf
underpowered speakers

Maybe CA79 only, CA99 has the same speaker as CA98 so it has to be as powerful.
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 06:25 PM
No panic yet. Need to test first.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by mwf
Not looking good for the new. Models imo, underpowered speakers, too light an action...


The specs show there is no reduction in power. Not sure where this fear mongering comes from...
Posted By: Roy18 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 07:02 PM
[Linked Image]

CA78 on the left and CA79 to the right, speakers have the same specifications so not sure why sound quality could be any worse
Posted By: terminaldegree Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/01/20 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by mwf
Not looking good for the new. Models imo, underpowered speakers, too light an action...


Maybe play them for yourself before pronouncing them "not looking good".
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 01:27 AM
Hello TomBom,

Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on this topic.

To respond to some of your points:

Originally Posted by TomBom
- Finally I checked the VT user voicing/tuning/key-volume etc. But I couldn’t find these options. I read in the announcement thread that they will be available someday (in a post from Kawai James: [88-key "User" Virtual Technician adjustments will be possible.]). But for now these user defined VT-options are not available (or I overlooked them).


Yes, that's correct. These functions will be implemented with a forthcoming software update.

Originally Posted by TomBom
Since the user manual seems to be something like a first draft (CA79: 94 pages / CA78: 176 pages) it seems to me that they still working on the UI and will probably release an update in the next weeks/months.


The owner's manual will be updated to correspond with added features, however I do not expect a major change to the level content beyond this. As mentioned in a separate thread, for various reason I am no longer heavily involved in digital piano owner's manual creation.

Originally Posted by TomBom
Perhaps someone already tried the recorder and could write if it’s working properly without any problems.


Did you encounter any issues with the recorder function? I gather that the forthcoming software update includes some improvements to the recorder.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Not sure where this fear mongering comes from...


Welcome to PianoWorld. wink
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 08:33 AM
Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Originally Posted by mwf
Not looking good for the new. Models imo, underpowered speakers, too light an action...


Maybe play them for yourself before pronouncing them "not looking good".

Well, my neighbors definitely think it's loud enough and the speakers are not underpowered... thumb
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 08:36 AM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by giu
Lighter than GFII, but comparable to GF.

This is very strange considering GFIII is almost identical to GFII, why would it be lighter? They changed weighting out of a blue? I don't get it.

Kawai James? Could you please provide some facts? Not that I care much, because I like the action just the way it is, but facts are always better than speculation...
Posted By: Carlos-CR Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 09:58 AM
Originally Posted by Roy18
[Linked Image]

CA78 on the left and CA79 to the right, speakers have the same specifications so not sure why sound quality could be any worse


I think nobody mentioned lower quality, just under powered speakers. In that respect efficiency of speakers can be a factor. Also, maybe the diffuser affects perception of loudness.. Don't really know but I won't give much credit until tried in person. And take into account that some stores are pretty loud and what seems under powered there is overkill at home.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 10:05 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Also interesting instrument.... and first pictures of the EP finish:

https://store.shimamura.co.jp/ec/pr...2181219.1583074755-1112884241.1583074755

Galuwen


That’s the CA9900, a Japan-only version produced for a musical instrument chain store. This is actually the Moden Black, which is slightly different to the Satin Black finish sold overseas.

The Ebony Polish finish is completely different. I posted some pictures of this finish in the other thread previously.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2949749/#Post2949749

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: cebeema Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 10:18 AM
In the same page they also offer the 99EP, and it has a different picture from those James posted:

https://store.shimamura.co.jp/ec/pro/disp/1/mt0094655?sFlg=2

(Can't wait for it, it looks amazing)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 10:24 AM
Originally Posted by cebeema
In the same page they also offer the 99EP, and it has a different picture from those James posted:

https://store.shimamura.co.jp/ec/pro/disp/1/mt0094655?sFlg=2


Ah, that’s a Photoshopped version, combining the CA99 with elements of the CS11.

Cheers,
James
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ps. Sorry to be a killjoy!
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 06:23 PM
Maybe one of lucky owners could do the usual down weight / up weight trick with the coins at the end of the key and once the key starts moving...weight the coins on an accurate scale? If down weight is in the 47 to 52 grams (highs to lows) then it matches the average grands.
This is probably more objective than ‘feeling light or heavy’
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by grd-dan
Maybe one of lucky owners could do the usual down weight / up weight trick with the coins at the end of the key and once the key starts moving...weight the coins on an accurate scale? If down weight is in the 47 to 52 grams (highs to lows) then it matches the average grands.
This is probably more objective than ‘feeling light or heavy’

YES that would be awesome.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/02/20 07:22 PM
Nice pictures James!!! Cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!!

Thx a lot!

Galuwen.
Posted By: TomBom Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/03/20 01:12 AM
@James: thanks for your reply. I didn’t encounter any problems with the recorder, because I haven’t tried the recorder in the music store. But the owners-manual is a bit shortcoming regarding the recorder. Eg: Is it still possible to record two parts?

@grd-dan: Great Idea, such a weight test could reduce some speculation about the action. Otherwise, the action and the "feeling" is definitely a personal and subjective opinion, nothing more and nothing less. I’m sure these kind of “facts by number” will deliver some insight. But everyone should keep in mind, that none of these facts will provide the kind of information which you will gather if you go and play the instrument by yourself.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/03/20 02:04 AM
Hello TomBom,

Originally Posted by TomBom
@James: thanks for your reply. I didn’t encounter any problems with the recorder, because I haven’t tried the recorder in the music store. But the owners-manual is a bit shortcoming regarding the recorder. Eg: Is it still possible to record two parts?


Yes, this behaviour has not changed.

However the CA99/CA79 refers to recording the second part as "overdubbing".

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: TomBom Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/04/20 04:14 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James

However the CA99/CA79 refers to recording the second part as "overdubbing".


Ah thank you James for clearing this up. Is it possible to save a recording in midi format or to transfer the internal recordings in midi format onto usb?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/04/20 06:28 AM
Originally Posted by TomBom
Is it possible to save a recording in midi format or to transfer the internal recordings in midi format onto usb?


I gather that saving internal recorder songs as SMF files to USB will be implemented with future software update.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/04/20 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James


I gather that saving internal recorder songs as SMF files to USB will be implemented with future software update.

Kind regards,
James
x


Any chance of that coming to the previous gen touchscreen pianos? I sometimes don't have a USB drive free when playing, and have a few recordings it would be nice to liberate...
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/04/20 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by TomBom

@grd-dan: Great Idea, such a weight test could reduce some speculation about the action. Otherwise, the action and the "feeling" is definitely a personal and subjective opinion, nothing more and nothing less. I’m sure these kind of “facts by number” will deliver some insight. But everyone should keep in mind, that none of these facts will provide the kind of information which you will gather if you go and play the instrument by yourself.


Test would be definite but James answered in another topic:
"However, I know that the action is faster and more responsive than previous GF actions, so it's possible that some players may confuse this change as simply being "lighter"."
So I guess I was right and this action is just more responsive while keeping the same weight it has, so for me that is perfect news.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/04/20 08:33 PM
My CA79 is arriving next week. Is there a setting for if your piano is against a wall?

I also have to say, compared to it's rivals, it's quite something! No idea what Yamaha are thinking with the action in the CLP675/685.

Just out of interest, what was it about the CA79/99 that made you want to own one?
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/04/20 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
My CA79 is arriving next week. Is there a setting for if your piano is against a wall?



That is only for the CA99 (for the speakerboard). And congrats! Mine is already arriving saturday, nananana. wink
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/05/20 07:09 PM
How much should I pay for the CA99? I live in the US.
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/05/20 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
Just out of interest, what was it about the CA79/99 that made you want to own one?

I bought the Kawai CA79 because it's the DP in that price range I liked best. But the advice I got from people I trust was that you can't do much wrong with the "usual suspects" in that price range...

Note: I do not want to start a discussion about that statement. It's just an opinion... smile
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/08/20 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Originally Posted by Amy H
My CA79 is arriving next week. Is there a setting for if your piano is against a wall?



That is only for the CA99 (for the speakerboard). And congrats! Mine is already arriving saturday, nananana. wink


How are you finding it so far? Tomorrow is delivery day for me!
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/08/20 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Originally Posted by Amy H
My CA79 is arriving next week. Is there a setting for if your piano is against a wall?



That is only for the CA99 (for the speakerboard). And congrats! Mine is already arriving saturday, nananana. wink


How are you finding it so far? Tomorrow is delivery day for me!


Ha, enjoy! So far I am very pleased; action and speakers are great. I haven't received the cables yet to run VSTs through it, will try that later. I am also rather surprised by the internal sound; I didn't even particularly care about it when testing in the store as I assumed I'd run VSTs through it anyway. But so far I am really liking it, it connects with the action very well. Might actually be a challenge for Garritan to beat this...
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/08/20 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Originally Posted by Amy H
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Originally Posted by Amy H
My CA79 is arriving next week. Is there a setting for if your piano is against a wall?



That is only for the CA99 (for the speakerboard). And congrats! Mine is already arriving saturday, nananana. wink


How are you finding it so far? Tomorrow is delivery day for me!


Ha, enjoy! So far I am very pleased; action and speakers are great. I haven't received the cables yet to run VSTs through it, will try that later. I am also rather surprised by the internal sound; I didn't even particularly care about it when testing in the store as I assumed I'd run VSTs through it anyway. But so far I am really liking it, it connects with the action very well. Might actually be a challenge for Garritan to beat this...


I never even thought about running a VST thought it's speakers, but now you say it, I might have to try! I don't have Garritan, I use NI The Grandeur and Alicia's Keys at the moment!
Posted By: Fisonnra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/09/20 02:41 AM
According to JayKoe from the other piano post (http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2934488/34.html) page 34, the weight of the keys is around 57g. He's not a piano technician, but yeah...Maybe this is a useful information, and I think 57g is not light.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/09/20 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by Fisonnra
.Maybe this is a useful information, and I think 57g is not light.


Not only it is not light, if it is actually 57g it is quite heavy smile
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/09/20 02:13 PM
Try 80 g. That's heavy. But it's common among the GH3 series actions from Yamaha.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/09/20 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Try 80 g. That's heavy. But it's common among the GH3 series actions from Yamaha.

80g is not heavy, it's black hole of piano actions wink
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/09/20 02:35 PM
Numbers, just numbers...
Posted By: Tyty Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/09/20 09:53 PM
Hello Everyone,

I am curious if someone may be able to help guide me a bit. I have been playing on an old Roland HP101 that I bought about 12+ years ago and have decided it is time to upgrade. After doing a ton of research I am really interested in the Kawai CA79 for the price range I am trying to stay in and think it will be the right piano for me. However there is not a Kawai dealer anywhere near me so I will have to drive about 3-4 hours round trip to the nearest dealer to test one out. I have a few Roland and Yamaha dealers nearby and have been able to test those but from everything i've read I think i will like the Kawai the most. I was hoping some of you with experience could give me some advice before I make that drive.

I understand the CA79 was just released and many dealers dont have it in stock yet so I will call ahead of time to see if they have one. If they don't I assume i can then order one through the dealer if i wish to purchase without trying it out first? Which brings another question, a lot of the price points i've seen on this forum and on some overseas websites have been putting the CA79 at the mid $3500 USD range, but on the Kawai US website they have it priced at $4100 i believe? Can I expect to get a better deal at a Kawai dealer than direct from Kawai US?

Thanks in advance,
Tyler
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/09/20 10:01 PM
1. You CAN definitely order one sight unseen if a dealer agrees (and they probably will), but do you want to? There are a lot of good options in this price range and it's generally recommended to try to playtest before buying, as it's always easier to buy and have it delivered than it is to get your money back if you're unhappy.

2. The price you see on the Kawai US price isn't the price a dealer has to charge you. It's more of a "list price" and you can expect discounts/bargain off of it with your individual dealer.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 01:38 AM
Hello Tyler, welcome to the forum.

It's good to hear that you are considering the CA99, however I would also recommend attempting to play-test the instrument, along with other models from different manufacturers in this price range, before deciding to purchase.

If you have not done so already, may I recommend using the dealer locator on the KawaiUS.com website to check if there is a dealer located in your area:

https://kawaius.com/find-a-dealer/

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Lushey1 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 01:54 AM
Just received CA99 into the store.Very impressed.Light,responsive action.Soft play very good.Transducers on a small timber soundboard give it a very natural sound for a digital.4 speakers up the top with deflectors to spread the sound.Might spend some of the day exploring it.
Posted By: Lushey1 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 01:57 AM
Originally Posted by Martinez
Originally Posted by Amy H
Just out of interest, what was it about the CA79/99 that made you want to own one?

I bought the Kawai CA79 because it's the DP in that price range I liked best. But the advice I got from people I trust was that you can't do much wrong with the "usual suspects" in that price range...

Note: I do not want to start a discussion about that statement. It's just an opinion... smile


Don't you just hate general advice like that? Not specific enough and no help to anyone,particularly those at the top end of the market.
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 10:28 AM
Originally Posted by Lushey1
Don't you just hate general advice like that? Not specific enough and no help to anyone, particularly those at the top end of the market.

I'd like to respond, but I am not sure I understand your statement.
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 10:39 AM
Today we are all subject to missing Dealerships and distance to travel - but we might be judged taking risk and our mistakes by making a purchase without first trying your choice of instrument. Even here in the UK I am having to travel for 2 hours this Thursday to my nearest dealer to try the CS 79 +. We have to consider this a sign of the times for our now specialist hobby, proff, art. I say - go compare every time, cut out risk where we can it is not so easy to sort the mess out if you decide you have made a mistake. If I finally decide on one of these precious instruments I fully intend on joining the secret owners club. In the mean time any useful intel. for us mortals would be welcome. please get videoing etc and post please please smile
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 10:48 AM
-edit, nm; volume control effects line-out (unfortunately).
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 11:00 AM
to Sleutelbos - I bet that it is assuming that one would use an active speaker system in addition for performance?
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by Killomiter
to Sleutelbos - I bet that it is assuming that one would use an active speaker system in addition for performance?


Could be, and I wouldn't mind if the internal speaker had a volume setting beyond 'normal' and 'reduced'. Pretty odd design not to simply give me a slider for that...
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Killomiter
In the mean time any useful intel. for us mortals would be welcome. please get videoing etc and post please please smile


Not vouching for the usefulness of it, but here is a quick recording of my CA79. Still feeling a bit under the weather, so it is perfectly possible I did something daft while recording. Don't blame the sound quality on the piano! :P

Posted By: KevinM Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Originally Posted by Killomiter
In the mean time any useful intel. for us mortals would be welcome. please get videoing etc and post please please smile


Not vouching for the usefulness of it, but here is a quick recording of my CA79. Still feeling a bit under the weather, so it is perfectly possible I did something daft while recording. Don't blame the sound quality on the piano! :P


Loved the sound of the piano and the playing. I blame the sound quality on you. :-p
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 04:07 PM
You are a real Star Sleutelbos - keep them coming matey.

just for the record I am (all things being equal) going to the Dealer on Thursday this week.
So by Friday I am hoping to be able to join this club fair and square.
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 04:08 PM
You are a real Star Sleutelbos - keep them coming matey.

just for the record I am (all things being equal) going to the Dealer on Thursday this week.
So by Friday I am hoping to be able to join this club fair and square.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 05:33 PM
A question about your pedaling ...

It seems that you raise your right thigh when pedaling. Or, I assuming that it's the pedaling.

I was taught that the the upper leg ought not move while pedaling. The heel rests on the floor and only the front of the foot moves.

Am I misinterpreting?
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
A question about your pedaling ...

It seems that you raise your right thigh when pedaling. Or, I assuming that it's the pedaling.

I was taught that the the upper leg ought not move while pedaling. The heel rests on the floor and only the front of the foot moves.

Am I misinterpreting?


You are correct. The background is as comical as it is depressing: for the past 10 years I played for 99% of my time on a Yamaha P140. That doesn't have 'build-in' pedals, so I used to an external pedal and connected to the pedal-input. Unfortunately the floor is rather slippy. So I learned myself to raise the entire leg and put it down completely vertically, if I just moved my feet there was enough of a horizontal force to push the pedal away.

I am now working on re-learning how to pedal, but when generally playing I automatically revert to bad technique, particularly when I am tired or not feeling well. frown
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
You are correct. The background is as comical as it is depressing: for the past 10 years I played for 99% of my time on a Yamaha P140. That doesn't have 'build-in' pedals, so I used to an external pedal and connected to the pedal-input. Unfortunately the floor is rather slippy. So I learned myself to raise the entire leg and put it down completely vertically, if I just moved my feet there was enough of a horizontal force to push the pedal away.

You can simulate your old keyboard by unmounting the pedal unit of your CA79. Then it will also slip. Unfortunately your main unit will fall down, but that's the price you have to pay smile
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 06:20 PM
And again...

https://youtu.be/Exw4c-KDx_8

Galuwen
Posted By: navindra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
And again...

https://youtu.be/Exw4c-KDx_8

Galuwen

What an amazing promo video! Kudos to Kawai Australia for pulling this off!
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Killomiter
You are a real Star Sleutelbos - keep them coming matey.

just for the record I am (all things being equal) going to the Dealer on Thursday this week.
So by Friday I am hoping to be able to join this club fair and square.


Ha, good on you! Which finish will you be getting? Might post another one tomorrow, but not going to keep spamming the forums for months to come. :P
Posted By: navindra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Originally Posted by Killomiter
In the mean time any useful intel. for us mortals would be welcome. please get videoing etc and post please please smile


Not vouching for the usefulness of it, but here is a quick recording of my CA79. Still feeling a bit under the weather, so it is perfectly possible I did something daft while recording. Don't blame the sound quality on the piano! :P


Nice! could you comment on the Classic2 rendering? Classic2 is entirely new and I would love to hear how it evaluates.

Actually, could someone just post a proper review?
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by navindra
could you comment on the Classic2 rendering? Classic2 is entirely new and I would love to hear how it evaluates.

Actually, could someone just post a proper review?


Apologies, I've seen your earlier request but didn't respond. frown The thing is, I can literally only hear the different ambient settings when flipping through the rendering types. I have no idea if there is a bug, or if I am supposed to be doing something else, but if I just repeatedly press a note while flipping through all presets absolutely nothing seems to change. If you want, I can record some MIDI tomorrow and record the audio of it with different rendering types?

I've seen vids of the CA78 where the rendering types seemed quite distinct, here I can truly detect zero difference. confused
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 07:07 PM
We have a new comedian on Piano World! He joins the ranks of peterws, Pete14 ... and MacMacMac. smile
Originally Posted by Martinez
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
You are correct. The background is as comical as it is depressing: for the past 10 years I played for 99% of my time on a Yamaha P140. That doesn't have 'build-in' pedals, so I used to an external pedal and connected to the pedal-input. Unfortunately the floor is rather slippy. So I learned myself to raise the entire leg and put it down completely vertically, if I just moved my feet there was enough of a horizontal force to push the pedal away.
You can simulate your old keyboard by unmounting the pedal unit of your CA79. Then it will also slip. Unfortunately your main unit will fall down, but that's the price you have to pay smile
Posted By: navindra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/10/20 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Apologies, I've seen your earlier request but didn't respond. frown The thing is, I can literally only hear the different ambient settings when flipping through the rendering types. I have no idea if there is a bug, or if I am supposed to be doing something else, but if I just repeatedly press a note while flipping through all presets absolutely nothing seems to change. If you want, I can record some MIDI tomorrow and record the audio of it with different rendering types?

I've seen vids of the CA78 where the rendering types seemed quite distinct, here I can truly detect zero difference. confused

Thanks! Yes, it sounds like a bug of some kind -- the difference in the various SK-EX renderings is significant and unmistakable.
Posted By: Lushey1 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 12:43 AM
Here's some examples;
"You can't go wrong with the usual suspects" Yes,you can
"Yamaha is a good piano" They make a piano for every budget and some are good
"Yamaha has a bright sound" What? All of them? They've made millions of pianos.
"Steinway,you pay for the name" Maybe only partially true.

I could go on.....
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by Lushey1
Here's some examples;
"You can't go wrong with the usual suspects" Yes,you can
"Yamaha is a good piano" They make a piano for every budget and some are good
"Yamaha has a bright sound" What? All of them? They've made millions of pianos.
"Steinway,you pay for the name" Maybe only partially true.

I could go on.....

Ok, I see. If you take that statement out of context, you are of course right.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 01:44 AM
I especially dislike the phrase "you can't go wrong with <fill-in-any-words-on-any-subject>". It's tantamount to saying "it doesn't matter".

Well that's fine if you say "it doesn't matter to ME".

But the wording was "YOU can't go wrong with ..." So how do you know that it doesn't matter to your reader?

Don't be reluctant to say I LIKE THIS or I DISLIKE THAT. The word "I" is a perfectly good way to frame a judgement or opinion.
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 10:10 AM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
But the wording was "YOU can't go wrong with ..."

... it was them talking to me, so that you was me. Sorry for my improper use of the English language. I'd be delighted if you could go back to my original statement and help me rephrase it correctly.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by navindra
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Apologies, I've seen your earlier request but didn't respond. frown The thing is, I can literally only hear the different ambient settings when flipping through the rendering types. I have no idea if there is a bug, or if I am supposed to be doing something else, but if I just repeatedly press a note while flipping through all presets absolutely nothing seems to change. If you want, I can record some MIDI tomorrow and record the audio of it with different rendering types?

I've seen vids of the CA78 where the rendering types seemed quite distinct, here I can truly detect zero difference. confused

Thanks! Yes, it sounds like a bug of some kind -- the difference in the various SK-EX renderings is significant and unmistakable.


Just recorded a single note with the different rendering types; they are all absolutely 100% identical. Restarting the DP doesn't fix it. Anyone else on firmware 1.05?
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
The thing is, I can literally only hear the different ambient settings when flipping through the rendering types. I have no idea if there is a bug, or if I am supposed to be doing something else, but if I just repeatedly press a note while flipping through all presets absolutely nothing seems to change.

Just to be sure what you were doing: you are in piano mode, select the SK-EX Concert Grand, open the settings (where it usually says "SK-EX Rendering"), and then switch through the different items in "Rendering Type" (Classic, Classic2, Romantic, ...)?

While I cannot hear much difference between Classic and Classic2 (but my ears are no longer as they were when I was young), most of the other rendering types sound different to me. If you can't hear a difference, there is still the chance of a bug, because you seem to be one of the few with the newer software...
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 10:31 AM
Originally Posted by Martinez
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
The thing is, I can literally only hear the different ambient settings when flipping through the rendering types. I have no idea if there is a bug, or if I am supposed to be doing something else, but if I just repeatedly press a note while flipping through all presets absolutely nothing seems to change.

Just to be sure what you were doing: you are in piano mode, select the SK-EX Concert Grand, open the settings (where it usually says "SK-EX Rendering"), and then switch through the different items in "Rendering Type" (Classic, Classic2, Romantic, ...)?

While I cannot hear much difference between Classic and Classic2 (but my ears are no longer as they were when I was young), most of the other rendering types sound different to me. If you can't hear a difference, there is still the chance of a bug, because you seem to be one of the few with the newer software...


That is what I am doing. And I can't hear any difference, and neither can my spectrum analyser. :P
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Just recorded a single note with the different rendering types; they are all absolutely 100% identical. Restarting the DP doesn't fix it. Anyone else on firmware 1.05?


I'm not on 1.05 yet! Hopefully not too long to wait.
When I switch between the rendering types I can hear when it switches, but I agree with you, Classic and Classic2 sound identical.
Posted By: Maartin Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 01:07 PM
This is one of the 'bullet points' of CA99 improvements (I'm assuming the addition of the classic2 character is the improvement which may be wrong), so it would be a shame if there was no discernable difference.

- IMPROVED: SK-EX Rendering sound engine with multi-channel piano sampling
Posted By: Maartin Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 01:09 PM
Has anyone tried the new improved organ or harpsichord sounds yet? Hopefully you can tell the difference there?
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
That is what I am doing. And I can't hear any difference, and neither can my spectrum analyser. :P

Maybe you can ask Kawai James for the older software that everyone else seems to be having and check if it works. You can always upgrade once the software update is officially released. Then at least you know if it is an issue with your software.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Martinez
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
That is what I am doing. And I can't hear any difference, and neither can my spectrum analyser. :P

Maybe you can ask Kawai James for the older software that everyone else seems to be having and check if it works. You can always upgrade once the software update is officially released. Then at least you know if it is an issue with your software.


I did, he already passed it on. smile It clearly is a software issue, and since the default sound works fine I can wait for the next firmware upgrade no problem. But its a rather odd issue. BTW, are the rendering type presets supposed to change the VT settings, or are they separate things?
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 07:12 PM
Anybody able to record to USB? I only have a USB3 device, and I cannot record to it or format it. Does this mean I need a USB-2 device, or is this an error in my firmware?
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Anybody able to record to USB? I only have a USB3 device, and I cannot record to it or format it. Does this mean I need a USB-2 device, or is this an error in my firmware?


I'm quite certain it's supposed to support USB 3. It is the year 2020 after all. It's sad that this beautiful instrument was released with so many bugs. Is Kawai pretty good with releasing firmware updates? I'm on the verge of purchasing a CA99, but after reading the bugs you found, I feel like I need to wait a while.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Anybody able to record to USB? I only have a USB3 device, and I cannot record to it or format it. Does this mean I need a USB-2 device, or is this an error in my firmware?


I'm quite certain it's supposed to support USB 3. It is the year 2020 after all. It's sad that this beautiful instrument was released with so many bugs. Is Kawai pretty good with releasing firmware updates? I'm on the verge of purchasing a CA99, but after reading the bugs you found, I feel like I need to wait a while.


Mind you, it could be me that is something messing up in this case! Like, what format does it need to be in? Does the internal formatting only work if the stick is already in the correct format? So far I only experienced two bugs at most; this and the rendering type. Both could be caused maybe by a failed loading of the firmware. In any case, I found so far nobody who has these issues (and you can check for them yourself in the store when in doubt!). smile
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Anybody able to record to USB? I only have a USB3 device, and I cannot record to it or format it. Does this mean I need a USB-2 device, or is this an error in my firmware?

Yes, I am. I do not have a USB-3 stick, but USB-3 should be backwards compatible.

I found the following issues:

  • I did not find a way to delete recordings (neither internal nor USB)
  • I do not understand the difference between USB Music Player and Recorder Playback
  • ...USB Music Player is supposed to be for songs stored on USB
  • ...Recorded Songs for USB and internally recorded songs
  • ...Why is this not combined into one?
  • When playing recordings (internal or USB) I was unable to switch between the player view and the mini player view
  • Forward / backward works unexpectedly for me....
  • ...Forward jumps to the song one line to the top
  • ...Backward jumps to the song one line down
  • ...Shouldn't this be the other way around?
  • I do not understand the purpose of the recording level (gain) setting for mp3 / wav. I am working with mp3 since the mid 90s and I never saw a gain control. I can see some use case for overdubbing though...


Sorry Kawai, but this is one of the worst implementations of recording / playback I have seen in a long time... I am happy that I didn't buy the CA79 for its recording / playback capabilities.

PS: Sleutelbos - see page 77 and 83 of the user manual for USB info:

  • Check that the USB memory device is formatted to use the FAT/FAT32 filesystem, and not set to “Write Protect” mode.
  • The “USB to Device” functionality of the CA99/CA79 digital piano conforms to USB2.0 Hi-Speed standards. Older USB devices can still be used, however data transfer speed will be limited to the maximum transfer speed of the device.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by Martinez
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Anybody able to record to USB? I only have a USB3 device, and I cannot record to it or format it. Does this mean I need a USB-2 device, or is this an error in my firmware?

Yes, I am. I do not have a USB-3 stick, but USB-3 should be backwards compatible.

I found the following issues:

  • I did not find a way to delete recordings (neither internal nor USB)
  • I do not understand the difference between USB Music Player and Recorder Playback
  • ...USB Music Player is supposed to be for songs stored on USB
  • ...Recorded Songs for USB and internally recorded songs
  • ...Why is this not combined into one?
  • When playing recordings (internal or USB) I was unable to switch between the player view and the mini player view
  • Forward / backward works unexpectedly for me....
  • ...Forward jumps to the song one line to the top
  • ...Backward jumps to the song one line down
  • ...Shouldn't this be the other way around?
  • I do not understand the purpose of the recording level (gain) setting for mp3 / wav. I am working with mp3 since the mid 90s and I never saw a gain control. I can see some use case for overdubbing though...


Sorry Kawai, but this is one of the worst implementations of recording / playback I have seen in a long time... I am happy that I didn't buy the CA79 for its recording / playback capabilities.

PS: Sleutelbos - see page 77 and 83 of the user manual for USB info:

  • Check that the USB memory device is formatted to use the FAT/FAT32 filesystem, and not set to “Write Protect” mode.
  • The “USB to Device” functionality of the CA99/CA79 digital piano conforms to USB2.0 Hi-Speed standards. Older USB devices can still be used, however data transfer speed will be limited to the maximum transfer speed of the device.



Ha, thanks for the thorough post! I'm reformatting again, this time skipping the 'fast format' option windows offers. I didnt care about the function when I bought it, but I hope I can make higher-volume recordings compared with the line-out which is tied to the master volume.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 09:12 PM
Shame there are basic problems with software again frown
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 10:36 PM
Been researching pricing for a CA99 in the US, and the lowest I was quoted was $5100. In Europe, it's $3600 USD. shocked I don't understand this price difference at all. I assume the US has a high customs tax.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/11/20 11:15 PM
The quoted price means nothing. The price that matters is the offer you make that the dealer accepts.
Posted By: TomBom Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 04:14 AM
Thanks Martinez for reporting your recorder experience. That’s why I asked in my first post. But isn’t it even possible to delete ALL internal recordings? Regarding the owners-manual this “feature” should be available. However, you’re right, that’s kind of a weird implementation, if it would be only possible to delete all internal songs. The individual USB recordings could at least be deleted with a computer.

What do you mean with “I was unable to switch between the player view and the mini player view”? I don’t really understand the use-case to switch between these views.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 08:15 AM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Been researching pricing for a CA99 in the US, and the lowest I was quoted was $5100. In Europe, it's $3600 USD. shocked I don't understand this price difference at all. I assume the US has a high customs tax.

Unfortunately that was always the case with all digital pianos I think frown
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 09:59 AM
HA HA I am just about to go travel to the Dealer - To sleutelbos - I am hoping for a shiny black one - but no one seems to know when they will be available over here - let see what I see when I get there - will keep you guy's posted anyway. cya later! smile
Posted By: JoBert Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Is Kawai pretty good with releasing firmware updates?

In the previous CA78/CA98/NV10/NV5 generation, Kawai was indeed pretty good with releasing such updates.
I have personally reported several bugs that were then addressed in updates. And I know others here on the forum have too.
So if you find a bug, make sure to report it to Kawai support (and not just gripe about it here on the forum) and there is a very good chance that it will be fixed.
But this is for bugs where a feature in the software does not work in the way it is described in the manual (i.e. the manual says that you can do such and such, but when you try it, it doesn't work) or that were obvious malfunctions (hangings/crashes/sound problems/etc.).
There also was a number of complaints where people were simply not happy with how the software was working (for example the favorite management was widely criticized). Such complaints were not addressed in firmware updates (instead, many of them seem to have been taken on board with the next generation, i.e. CA79/CA99).
Posted By: Maartin Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 11:28 AM
It might be a better idea for Kawai to test their software before releasing the product, or even after releasing the product, rather than relying on customers finding the bugs for them?
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 11:43 AM
Originally Posted by TomBom
What do you mean with “I was unable to switch between the player view and the mini player view”? I don’t really understand the use-case to switch between these views.

It's not primarily about a use case, the function is described in the User Manual page 38, so it should work.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 11:46 AM
The software undergoes various stages of bug checking before instruments are released, however it's not impossible for some bugs to fall through the cracks.

I do not have a CA79/CA99 here in this office to check the reports from sleutelbos and Martinez for myself, however I have forwarded their claims to my colleagues on the product development team for investigation.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Anybody able to record to USB? I only have a USB3 device, and I cannot record to it or format it. Does this mean I need a USB-2 device, or is this an error in my firmware?


May I ask the manufacturer and model of the USB device, please?

If should be possible to format the stick on the instrument itself, however if not, please try formatting (using FAT or FAT32 filesystems) on a computer.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by JoBert
So if you find a bug, make sure to report it to Kawai support (and not just gripe about it here on the forum) and there is a very good chance that it will be fixed.

According to Kawai James...

Originally Posted by Kawai James
- Various UI issues will be fixed with the v1.0.4 UI update. As visible in sleutelbos' post above, some CA79/CA99 have already shipped with this version of the software pre-loaded.
- The auto display off time should also be fixed in the v1.0.4 UI update.

The v1.0.4 UI update has not been publicly released yet, but should be available later in the month.

... which is why it doesn't make sense to me to report issues now. As soon as the update is released we have to check which issues remain and that is in my opinion the proper time to report them via official channels.
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 11:55 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
The software undergoes various stages of bug checking before instruments are released, however it's not impossible for some bugs to fall through the cracks.

I do not have a CA79/CA99 here in this office to check the reports from sleutelbos and Martinez for myself, however I have forwarded their claims to my colleagues on the product development team for investigation.

Kind regards,
James
x

Hi James - I knew you would check and pass the issues on to your development team! Many thanks. From my own experience I know about the challenges of software testing... And I agree with JoBert (and maybe others on this forum) that Kawai has a good track record of releasing updates.
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 12:01 PM
Originally Posted by Maartin
It might be a better idea for Kawai to test their software before releasing the product, or even after releasing the product, rather than relying on customers finding the bugs for them?

Who said they are not testing their software? Having worked in both consumer electronics and software development, there are certain (market) realities that can simply not be ignored. And Kawai James already stated that they are already working on the first update...
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Killomiter
HA HA I am just about to go travel to the Dealer - To sleutelbos - I am hoping for a shiny black one - but no one seems to know when they will be available over here - let see what I see when I get there - will keep you guy's posted anyway. cya later! smile

Thomann reports them to be available in about a week, which is inline with the Kawai annoucement. I guess it won't be too different for the UK.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 01:47 PM
Bought a new USB stick, this one works. I'll assume something is up with the other one. In any case, recording to USB is at a properly high volume, without any noise, in a proper lossless format. You also get to name each recording/file instead of auto-numbering, which is good. All in all this is what I want, so fantastic! laugh

As for the UI: no idea whatsoever who thought of this, and why nobody stopped him. As far as I can figure out you have two similar looking but distinct functions:

1) The recorder, which you open by hitting 'rec' on the main menu.
2) The overdub recorder, which for some odd reason can be found in the 'piano/sound settings'tab, by hitting the options there and then selecting the recorder.
3) The choice of recording internally, to MP3 or WAV is done in the recorder settings menu, which does not exist in the 1) recorder. It only exist in the 2) overdub recorder, which makes no sense.

I dont care about the overdub function and will never need to change it from 'external wav' but it is just so utterly weird. Why not add the recorder settings to the recorder? Why not put an 'overdub' button there instead of hiding that somewhere completely else? Is there some functionality that I am missing? Is this supposed to be like this?
Posted By: JoBert Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
3) The choice of recording internally, to MP3 or WAV is done in the recorder settings menu, which does not exist in the 1) recorder. It only exist in the 2) overdub recorder, which makes no sense.

I have no CAx9 so I can't check, but are you sure? With the previous generation, the choice to record to MP3 or WAV is only visible if a USB device is actually connected. Could it be that this is the same on the CAx9 pianos? So when you checked 1) you didn't have a USB device connected, so the choice wasn't there? Just asking...
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
3) The choice of recording internally, to MP3 or WAV is done in the recorder settings menu, which does not exist in the 1) recorder. It only exist in the 2) overdub recorder, which makes no sense.

I have no CAx9 so I can't check, but are you sure? With the previous generation, the choice to record to MP3 or WAV is only visible if a USB device is actually connected. Could it be that this is the same on the CAx9 pianos? So when you checked 1) you didn't have a USB device connected, so the choice wasn't there? Just asking...


It is the same here. But the little menu only appears in one, not the other. This behavior, while odd, is in line with what the manual describes. Reading it, it seems they consider the 'overdub recorder' the 'main recorder', and the recorder you access from the main screen is a 'mini recorder' with no options. If I were Kawai I'd add it there anyway.
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
3) The choice of recording internally, to MP3 or WAV is done in the recorder settings menu, which does not exist in the 1) recorder. It only exist in the 2) overdub recorder, which makes no sense.

I have no CAx9 so I can't check, but are you sure? With the previous generation, the choice to record to MP3 or WAV is only visible if a USB device is actually connected. Could it be that this is the same on the CAx9 pianos? So when you checked 1) you didn't have a USB device connected, so the choice wasn't there? Just asking...


It is the same here. But the little menu only appears in one, not the other. This behavior, while odd, is in line with what the manual describes. Reading it, it seems they consider the 'overdub recorder' the 'main recorder', and the recorder you access from the main screen is a 'mini recorder' with no options. If I were Kawai I'd add it there anyway.

You can expand the "Mini Recorder" and then you will also see the option. The three little dots bottom right.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by Martinez
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
3) The choice of recording internally, to MP3 or WAV is done in the recorder settings menu, which does not exist in the 1) recorder. It only exist in the 2) overdub recorder, which makes no sense.

I have no CAx9 so I can't check, but are you sure? With the previous generation, the choice to record to MP3 or WAV is only visible if a USB device is actually connected. Could it be that this is the same on the CAx9 pianos? So when you checked 1) you didn't have a USB device connected, so the choice wasn't there? Just asking...


It is the same here. But the little menu only appears in one, not the other. This behavior, while odd, is in line with what the manual describes. Reading it, it seems they consider the 'overdub recorder' the 'main recorder', and the recorder you access from the main screen is a 'mini recorder' with no options. If I were Kawai I'd add it there anyway.

You can expand the "Mini Recorder" and then you will also see the option. The three little dots bottom right.


No. When on the main tab I hit record (causing the mini to go to stand-by) then expand it by clicking on it I get almost the same screen as the 'overdub' screen, but minus the dots. I really have to go there via the sound settings->options->open recorder->settings.

Can you check if the three dots are really there if you just expend from the main screen? If so this is just a bug with my version, and would be easy to fix I assume. What you describe is how I imagined it would work.
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by sleutelbos
No. When on the main tab I hit record (causing the mini to go to stand-by) then expand it by clicking on it I get almost the same screen as the 'overdub' screen, but minus the dots. I really have to go there via the sound settings->options->open recorder->settings.

Can you check if the three dots are really there if you just expend from the main screen? If so this is just a bug with my version, and would be easy to fix I assume. What you describe is how I imagined it would work.

I recorded to USB yesterday and I know that I switched between mp3, wav, and internal. It is possible that I had to do some "strange things" to see it, but I do not remember. And I did use the recorder from the main screen. I think as you said: put it in stand-by and then expand it. Sorry, I can't check on my CA79 right now...
Posted By: TomBom Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/12/20 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by Martinez
Originally Posted by TomBom
What do you mean with “I was unable to switch between the player view and the mini player view”? I don’t really understand the use-case to switch between these views.

It's not primarily about a use case, the function is described in the User Manual page 38, so it should work.


Ah got it, I haven't seen that in the manual. Sure, one can expect this to work properly.
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/13/20 10:49 AM
Well I can now join the club I guess - a shiny black ca79 on it way in a week. And yeah first hand experience with this sfotware issue on the touch pad too - shame as it is the only grip I could see with this instrument. Thank you to all on here with all the advice and compares inc. odd info and intel . just got to sit and play out my Yamaha now until she arrives. Oh one other thing I am donating my old Yam to a care home, - not to brag but if others have very aged instruments that still work please don't forget to offer to somewhere before disposal smile
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/13/20 11:08 AM
Well I can now join the club I guess - a shiny black ca79 on it way in a week. And yeah first hand experience with this sfotware issue on the touch pad too - shame as it is the only grip I could see with this instrument. Thank you to all on here with all the advice and compares inc. odd info and intel . just got to sit and play out my Yamaha now until she arrives. Oh one other thing I am donating my old Yam to a care home, - not to brag but if others have very aged instruments that still work please don't forget to offer to somewhere before disposal smile
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/13/20 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Killomiter
Well I can now join the club I guess - a shiny black ca79 on it way in a week.

Welcome! You might be the first one with a shiny black CA79 wow thumb Be sure to share a picture.
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/13/20 12:00 PM
I've also ordered the CA79 but in satin black. Unfortunately the shop I bought from could not find yet a shipping company to deliver it since I live in an area more impacted by the virus in France. Merde, pardon my french...
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/14/20 04:45 PM
For sure will post a pic or two for new friends on here. smile smile
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/14/20 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by Killomiter
For sure will post a pic or two for new friends on here. smile smile


Hope you get it soon...
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/14/20 06:35 PM
Question to all pros please: Are all piano models on the ca99/79 listed under piano multi channel renderings? Ir only SK EX Grand?

Thx

Galuwen
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/15/20 07:59 AM
Beautiful finish...Rosewood...and nicely done product presentation...

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Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/15/20 11:37 AM
Bonners are giving a ring tomorrow but if the uk goes the same as in France i.e. (Grd-Dan) then I might just go down there in my truck and lift it as they will get it in tomorrow sometime. And talking of our compatriot in France - that sucks having got so far and now no delivery, feel for you matey.
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/15/20 12:10 PM
Much appreciated. Last evening France moved to next level, basically all non essential shops are now closed. Same happened in Italy and Spain. Assume all piano shops are also closed, unclear yet for how long. More important now for all of us is to stay safe which hopefully will stop the virus propagation.
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/15/20 12:34 PM
So true matey - you guys stay safe - we all need to be mindful. What region are you from GRD? As I am my wife are such Francophile s smile
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/15/20 01:18 PM
Live in Alsace , North East side, very close to German border.
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/16/20 11:06 AM
AAAHHHH I see - well you are very much amid the early outbreaks then man. It is a lovely part of the world where you live. All the best in getting your Piano, hopefully will not be too long smile
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/16/20 08:30 PM
So, Kawai are offering to replace the top board of my CA79 because of the misaligned logo issues many of us have. It's a relatively small issue, yes, but it's really nice of them to suggest sending an engineer out to do the replacement - free of charge.

I'm assuming the top board is the bit of wood with the logo on. I can see it looks as if it can been taken off.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/16/20 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
So, Kawai are offering to replace the top board of my CA79 because of the misaligned logo issues many of us have. It's a relatively small issue, yes, but it's really nice of them to suggest sending an engineer out to do the replacement - free of charge.

I'm assuming the top board is the bit of wood with the logo on. I can see it looks as if it can been taken off.


Same here, really pleased with how they approach it. They told me it might be a few weeks, so I personally assume it'll be much later due to Corona. If my fears are correct I doubt any sensible tech is going (or allowed!) to go from house to house. The government might not consider the logo to be off so much as to call it an essential matter. :P
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 02:46 AM
Amy H, sleutelbos, thank you for the update.

Good to hear that my colleagues in the UK and Germany are taking care of the situation.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 07:41 AM
Hi folks, a short question: Are all the piano models listed under PIANO (SK EX, EX, SK5, upright) in the maxed multi channel rendering technique? Or just SK-EX?

For sound mode this is clear.

Thx a lot

Galuwen (is curious) :-)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 07:52 AM
Galuwen, SK-EX Rendering is only available for the SK-EX model type.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 08:23 AM
Galuwen, here's a quick video showing how the different pianos and variations are organised on the CA99:

[Linked Image]

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 08:46 AM
Woot. That is smart and makes sense. Cant wait to get mine in EP. Date should be April my dealer told me Saturday.

Galuwen

Maybe I now will have biggest collection of CAs in the country *face palm*: CA 93, 95, 97 and 98.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 09:46 AM
Ah, I noticed that the animgif is not the full version of the video.

Originally Posted by Galuwen
Maybe I now will have biggest collection of CAs in the country *face palm*: CA 93, 95, 97 and 98.


Did you part-exchange each model when upgrading to the latest version?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: navindra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Galuwen, here's a quick video showing how the different pianos and variations are organised on the CA99:

[Linked Image]

Cheers,
James
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James, no one seems to be able to describe any real difference between Classic and Classic2... they seem identical according to reports here. Yet, Kawai's description for the two settings couldn't be more different.

Do you have any sense of what's going on here?
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Ah, I noticed that the animgif is not the full version of the video.

Originally Posted by Galuwen
Maybe I now will have biggest collection of CAs in the country *face palm*: CA 93, 95, 97 and 98.


Did you part-exchange each model when upgrading to the latest version?

Kind regards,
James
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Yes of course :-)
Posted By: aradinja Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/17/20 11:26 PM
sleutelbos,
Regarding the logo issue, did you contact Kawai through your dealer or directly to any Kawai web page?
Have in mind that here in Spain all dealers have closed their shops due to COVID19
I could live with it with no problem but I would be interested in the replacement if it were an easy one.
Thanks in advance.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/18/20 02:31 AM
Originally Posted by navindra
James, no one seems to be able to describe any real difference between Classic and Classic2... they seem identical according to reports here.


I believe there are subtle differences between the two rendering types.

Perhaps some folks in R&D preferred Classic and others preferred Classic2, so they decided to include both types, and allow the user to decide their preference. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/18/20 04:57 PM
Well in latest Roland piano sound variations were also a bit subtle so it's not surprising.
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/20/20 12:30 PM
Small update: after a factory reset my issues with the rendering types was resolved, and all is working well now. smile
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/20/20 01:06 PM
My CA79B was just delivered . Was not expecting it with all the restrictions in France :-). Everything seem to work fine. Happy.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/20/20 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by grd-dan
My CA79B was just delivered . Was not expecting it with all the restrictions in France :-). Everything seem to work fine. Happy.


I'm sure you'll have lots of fun playing it now that everywhere is in lockdown!!
I am really enjoying mine, sounds so nice and feels so nice! :-)
Posted By: Damien PG Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/20/20 10:42 PM
I ordered my CA79 on Wedseday, and it was supposed to be available for pickup within the week, but New York State just shut down because of the Coronavirus, so until things get worked out I will continue banging away on my Yamaha P125.
Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/20/20 11:24 PM
Can any CA 99 owners say anything about the sound quality through speakers ?
The CA 98 had fierce discussions of sounding “boxy” but it seems that the CA 99 owners have not this issue at all right ?
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/21/20 03:27 AM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
Can any CA 99 owners say anything about the sound quality through speakers ?
The CA 98 had fierce discussions of sounding “boxy” but it seems that the CA 99 owners have not this issue at all right ?


Yes, please comment on the quality of the soundboard speaker. I am debating whether I should get the CA79 or CA99.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/21/20 09:08 AM
If the sound on your CA98/99 is boxy then you probably did not use wall eq setting, also Kawai sound is by itself soft in big dynamic range and with normal touch setting you have to put your back to it and use good technique to achieve brighter sound. Touch and wall eq settings are probably the biggest reasons people consider sound on those pianos having boxy sound. Of course there are many brighter digital pianos(especially Pianoteq ones) but I also played a lot soft sounding acoustics.Honestly I still think Roland and Kawai have most realistic sound behaviour on their pianos. Still I'd like to know more about CA99/CA98 comparison, so far not enough informations out there.

Originally Posted by richdinoso
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
Can any CA 99 owners say anything about the sound quality through speakers ?
The CA 98 had fierce discussions of sounding “boxy” but it seems that the CA 99 owners have not this issue at all right ?


Yes, please comment on the quality of the soundboard speaker. I am debating whether I should get the CA79 or CA99.


It's exactly the same soundboard speaker as in CA98 so if you like it in CA98 then I'm 99% sure you will in CA99. I can't imagine playing digital piano without this soundboard speaker anymore.
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/21/20 01:24 PM
My very very new beast smile

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Not sure if this link actually works without posting so here goes.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/21/20 11:34 PM
Originally Posted by Killomiter
My very very new beast smile

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Not sure if this link actually works without posting so here goes.



BEAUTIFUL!!

Congrats - enjoy your new piano :-).

Galuwen
Posted By: Osho Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/22/20 12:00 AM
Beautiful, enjoy your new DP Killomiter!

Osho
Posted By: Tyr Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/22/20 01:08 AM
I don't like the Cabinet Design but congrats. laugh
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/22/20 11:02 AM
Thx Guy's - this may take a while to sort out goodies etc smile
Posted By: dima5222 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/22/20 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by Tyr
I don't like the Cabinet Design but congrats. laugh

Though not a big difference to your NV5?
Posted By: Boboulus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/22/20 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by dima5222
Originally Posted by Tyr
I don't like the Cabinet Design but congrats. laugh

Though not a big difference to your NV5?


The images above is a CA79 and it’s not similar to the NV5. The CA99 however is very similar to the NV5 but the NV5 is a little slimmer I think.
Posted By: robinlb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/22/20 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus

It's exactly the same soundboard speaker as in CA98 so if you like it in CA98 then I'm 99% sure you will in CA99. I can't imagine playing digital piano without this soundboard speaker anymore.


Yes I agree. I think improved soundboard speaker should be the standard pat of DP audio system in future. It is the best and only correct way to simulat and reproduce the sound of AP.
If I have the opportunity, I will upload a short video, which is a small experiment in which I play piano audio on wooden board by a transducer.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/23/20 12:49 AM
Originally Posted by Boboulus
The images above is a CA79 and it’s not similar to the NV5. The CA99 however is very similar to the NV5 but the NV5 is a little slimmer I think.


NV5 : 149 x 46 x 110 cm
[Linked Image]

CA99EP : 144.5 x 47 x 101 cm
[Linked Image]

The NV5 is wider, taller, but a little less deep than the CA99.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Tyty Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/23/20 10:05 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Tyler, welcome to the forum.

It's good to hear that you are considering the CA79, however I would also recommend attempting to play-test the instrument, along with other models from different manufacturers in this price range, before deciding to purchase.

If you have not done so already, may I recommend using the dealer locator on the KawaiUS.com website to check if there is a dealer located in your area:

https://kawaius.com/find-a-dealer/

Kind regards,
James
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Coming back to this.

I still can't get out to test one of these pianos but am sure I will love it based on extensive research I have done and having played some of the comparable Yamahas. It will be a very big upgrade over my currently 13+ year old Roland HP101.

The nearest Kawai dealers to me are around a 4+ hour drive round trip and now they are all under mandatory lock down from the corona virus for who knows how long. Kawai is currently running a special on their website that says Up to $3000 off the purchase of a new digital piano, but its only available through the Kawai dealers that I can't get to. I emailed KawaiUS and they said they can't offer the sales price direct online as to not undercut their dealers. Most reports im seeing on here people that are able to get to a dealer are paying < $3500 for the CA79. The Kawai sale says its only good through April 12th but the nearest dealers to me are under lock down through that date. Is there any online dealer that offers this Kawai sale to those that cant get to a brick and motor location before the sale is over?

Thanks.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/23/20 10:17 PM
@Tyty: I imagine that you're passionate about the piano, just as most folks here are.

But I wonder whether now is a good time to be making this sort of purchase?

I say that because you seem to be hurried into an April 12 deadline ... one that you cannot meet because of lockdown.
So you fear that the offer may be out of reach.

Fear not. Always remember that the price of a piano is not the offer the dealer makes to you. Rather, it's the offer you make to the dealer. And your offer never expires!

I'd wait for this mess to end. Some of the fallout may last longer ... especially for those badly affected. But in a month or two the worst will be over ... and you'll be able to buy a piano at will.

That's my recommendation.

BTW, you didn't say where you're located. Would you mine sharing?
Posted By: Tyty Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/23/20 10:32 PM
I just thought it was odd to be offering the instant rebate at dealers only through April 12th when a lot of people wont be able to get to a dealer and have been waiting for a good sale to make the long drive to one. But oh well if i miss it i miss it, was just hoping there were online options for those of us not able to make it to a dealer, that offered those instant rebate prices currently advertised by KawaiUS. I havent been able to find an online site offering the instant rebate. Im about 30 minutes from Sacramento, CA. The nearest dealers to me are in the San Fransisco Bay Area. Would love to have a new piano to play on while were sheltered in place since the speakers are pretty bad on my old Roland and the feel would be a world of difference.
Posted By: Boboulus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/24/20 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Boboulus
The images above is a CA79 and it’s not similar to the NV5. The CA99 however is very similar to the NV5 but the NV5 is a little slimmer I think.


NV5 : 149 x 46 x 110 cm
[Linked Image]

CA99EP : 144.5 x 47 x 101 cm
[Linked Image]

The NV5 is wider, taller, but a little less deep than the CA99.

Kind regards,
James
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The NV5 is so beautiful... damn! smile
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/24/20 12:47 AM
Hi all. Just looking for an opinion on price. I have been shopping around for a CA99, and the best price I have is $5100 including taxes and shipping. Is this a good price, or do you think I can do better?
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/24/20 01:56 AM
Ordinarily I'd suggest that you take a look at the prices paid listings. (Refer to the "Digital Piano master sticky thread" at the top of the digital forum listing.)

But so far no one has posted a purchase of the CA99. The closest listings are for its predecessor, the CA98.

So perhaps you'll be the first to post a price?

PianoBuyer.com shows an estimated street price of $5400, and that seems to be 20% off the stated list price.
So the $5100 offer seems decent, especially since it includes tax.

BTW ... where are you located? And where are you buying?
When you say "shipping", does that refer to long-distance haul, or a local delivery?
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/24/20 02:17 AM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Ordinarily I'd suggest that you take a look at the prices paid listings. (Refer to the "Digital Piano master sticky thread" at the top of the digital forum listing.)

But so far no one has posted a purchase of the CA99. The closest listings are for its predecessor, the CA98.

So perhaps you'll be the first to post a price?

PianoBuyer.com shows an estimated street price of $5400, and that seems to be 20% off the stated list price.
So the $5100 offer seems decent, especially since it includes tax.

BTW ... where are you located? And where are you buying?
When you say "shipping", does that refer to long-distance haul, or a local delivery?


I'm in Louisiana. The "shipping" I mentioned is for shipping from another state (California). I looked at the CA98 prices paid, but it's hard to compare because CA98 is no longer brand new when they were purchased. Also, most of the data on the spreadsheet is from Europe. I wish we had a Bonners here in the US, where the price of the instruments are clearly displayed; I would have bought one last week. Instead, I'm playing this guess the price game smile.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/24/20 05:58 AM
Originally Posted by Boboulus
The NV5 is so beautiful... damn! smile


Stick to the topic, please. ;p

But yes, you're right. wink

James
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Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/26/20 11:18 PM
It looks lovely!
Does the ebony appear to be real?
It's hard to tell from photo of its got a premium acoustic cabinet or if it is made of a cheaper grade polished plastic?

Thanks
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/27/20 01:57 AM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Does the ebony appear to be real?
It's hard to tell from photo of its got a premium acoustic cabinet or if it is made of a cheaper grade polished plastic?


In the case of Kawai, the ebony polish models are finished in our acoustic piano facility.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/27/20 12:08 PM
I can say that having now finally seen and played although playing i the same - the different 79 and 99's for real that the wait was worth it - the finish is super, It is all a matter of opinion and entirely subjective but as I can see and compare with the Formica type plastic finish of my old Yamaha 205 side by side the EB finish is worth every penny extra. .... Just sayin smile
Posted By: Elboe Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 03/28/20 05:17 PM
Has the 1.0.4 update been released?
Posted By: BastiaanB Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/01/20 12:33 AM
I am another happy CA79 owner. In december 2019 I compared several Yamaha, Roland and Kawai models, and I was very impressed with the CA78. I especially preferred the key-action over the others. Especially its double escapement action felt very authentic. When I wanted to order it at beginning of January, it wasn't in stock anymore, and then Kawai launched its CA79 at the NAMM trade show. The few reviews I read about CA79 were very positive. I certainly wanted to try it when I would be in the vicinity of a shop that has it in its showroom.

While my region of Switzerland went in lockdown 12 days ago, I ordered it by phone from a major dealer. The courier delivered it within 24 hours at our gate (he didn't want to come in, and we wanted to keep him out because of the quarantaine advisory). It was quite doable to carry it with my partner on the stairs, and to assemble it. And now I have to exercise, exercise and ... enjoy! cool
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Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/01/20 06:02 PM
Thanks that's brilliant!
For all the people that criticise the kawai for its durability, it only seems to exude quality to me!
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/01/20 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by BastiaanB
I am another happy CA79 owner.

Congratulations! Excellent choice.

Best
(another CA79 owner)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/02/20 12:55 AM
Originally Posted by Elboe
Has the 1.0.4 update been released?


Not yet, I’m afraid, however I expect it should be available soon.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/02/20 01:00 AM
Hello BastiaanB, welcome the forum and congrats on your new piano!

I’m rather impressed that the retailer was able to ship the instrument to you within 24 hours, given the current situation,

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: BastiaanB Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/02/20 01:55 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James

I’m rather impressed that the retailer was able to ship the instrument to you within 24 hours, given the current situation,

Thanks for the welcome. I gave my thumbs up to The Swiss dealer at 8am, and 3.5 hours later it was picked up by a shipping company at a wholesaler's warehouse. They transported it within 24 hours over the Alps. The lockdown rules don't put restrictions on logistics as long as sufficient distance between people and hygiene rules are applied. Despite the many natural barriers (mountains, lakes) logistics are quite efficient here.

Maybe it impresses you even more that the CA79 was already picked up, before I transferred the purchase price to the dealer's bank account! It's quite normal here to be trusting while doing business nationally. grin
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/02/20 10:10 AM
Originally Posted by BastiaanB
Originally Posted by Kawai James

I’m rather impressed that the retailer was able to ship the instrument to you within 24 hours, given the current situation,

Thanks for the welcome. I gave my thumbs up to The Swiss dealer at 8am, and 3.5 hours later it was picked up by a shipping company at a wholesaler's warehouse. They transported it within 24 hours over the Alps. The lockdown rules don't put restrictions on logistics as long as sufficient distance between people and hygiene rules are applied. Despite the many natural barriers (mountains, lakes) logistics are quite efficient here.

Maybe it impresses you even more that the CA79 was already picked up, before I transferred the purchase price to the dealer's bank account! It's quite normal here to be trusting while doing business nationally. grin

Agree, totally normal here in (continental) Europe.
Posted By: frax79 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/02/20 11:22 AM
Hi,

really tempted on the CA79, since I am not able to try due to lockdown restriction, can you give me your thoughts on the speaker system, how good are the new 360° monitors and how they compare with headphone listening?

I own a ES8 which I found great for the price and size but since I am not moving it around I am looking for something more stable especially with better speakers, I hear a night and day difference between heaphones and speaker the latter being very muddy and not clear at all.

I am considering also used market to save something and not sure about touch screen interface. What would you think about these options (especially regarding speakers experience, I already know I can't go wrong with kawai action and sound engine with headphone)?

CA58 Used - 1700 EUR
CA67 Used - 1800 EUR
CS8 Used - 2200 EUR
CS11 Used - 2600 EUR
CA78 New - 2500 EUR
CA79 New - 2800 EUR

Thanks
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/02/20 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by frax79
Hi,

really tempted on the CA79, since I am not able to try due to lockdown restriction, can you give me your thoughts on the speaker system, how good are the new 360° monitors and how they compare with headphone listening?

I own a ES8 which I found great for the price and size but since I am not moving it around I am looking for something more stable especially with better speakers, I hear a night and day difference between heaphones and speaker the latter being very muddy and not clear at all.

I am considering also used market to save something and not sure about touch screen interface. What would you think about these options (especially regarding speakers experience, I already know I can't go wrong with kawai action and sound engine with headphone)?

CA58 Used - 1700 EUR
CA67 Used - 1800 EUR
CS8 Used - 2200 EUR
CS11 Used - 2600 EUR
CA78 New - 2500 EUR
CA79 New - 2800 EUR

Thanks

If you are already tempted on the CA79, why not go for it. If money is not the issue, that is.

The 300 Euro difference between the CA78 and CA79 do not make a big difference. Same for the CS11 and the CA79. I would only go for the CS8 / CS11 if you need the polished look. Don't know much about the CA67, but would consider the CA58 / CA67 if money is an issue.
Posted By: Dennyzz Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/02/20 05:11 PM
This lockdown tricked me laugh Tomorrow should arrive the CA79, I have tested just the ca78, hope there isn't surprises laugh I will post feedback and photos.
P.s. Thank you for this topic.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/04/20 11:19 AM
Has anyone created/tweaked the Piano's in the virtual technician? If so, might a couple of you be willing to share your lovely Piano sounds with us?

I've done a few. My favourite so far is one made with the SK-EX Jazz Clean, a touch curve of Heavy1, topboard Open3 and a Lounge reverb. Sounds quite nice!

I'm not so much a fan of the Upright - hopefully someone has done something with it to make it sound a bit nicer?
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/04/20 12:09 PM
Really love the sound of the CA99:





Galuwen
Posted By: Chronicles Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/04/20 12:16 PM
Hi dear owners of CA79/CA99

I have kind of decided on the CA99 but with lock down haven't been able to purchase yet.

Just wanted to ask, the CA78 and CA98 had a "sticky key" issue, [http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2867411/1.html]

I've read somewhere else that this issue is fixed in the grand III, would like to hear from you owners if it has in fact been fix and if there are any issues you have come across?

Posted By: BastiaanB Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/06/20 06:39 PM
Hello 'Chronicles'. I have a brand new CA79, and none of the keys 'stick' when I push them up. I don't know in what region you live, but it might be a good idea to check the warranty. In my region both the dealer and the manufacturer stated they give a 5 year's full warranty against defects!

Originally Posted by Chronicles
Hi dear owners of CA79/CA99

I have kind of decided on the CA99 but with lock down haven't been able to purchase yet.

Just wanted to ask, the CA78 and CA98 had a "sticky key" issue, http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2867411/1.html

Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/08/20 09:54 AM
Hi Folks,

bad News from Austria. I am out with my ordered CA99 EP. Not available in our country.

Positive point I got my money back.

Galuwen
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/08/20 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
bad News from Austria. I am out with my ordered CA99 EP. Not available in our country.


I don't know the exact situation regarding availability in Austria, however I assume that if the CA98EP was available, the CA99EP will be available also.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/08/20 11:18 AM
Thx for the reply. I orded a CA99 EP (I am owning a CA98 alteady).

And also I owned a CA97,95 and 93...

But now I habe to stick with the 98...because no availiability of new CA99 anymore. All units in Austria prebooked for the big online warehouses and none for my local dealer.

Even I ordered mine w/o test playing on the very day the press release came out in January and payed on the very next day the full amount.

I had the Chance to change to a matt finish but that I dont like.

Keepers me updated all you lucky ones who got one "-).

Galuwen *is a bit depressed now*
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/08/20 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
Has anyone created/tweaked the Piano's in the virtual technician? If so, might a couple of you be willing to share your lovely Piano sounds with us?

I've done a few. My favourite so far is one made with the SK-EX Jazz Clean, a touch curve of Heavy1, topboard Open3 and a Lounge reverb. Sounds quite nice!

I'm not so much a fan of the Upright - hopefully someone has done something with it to make it sound a bit nicer?


Hi Amy - not yet but about to have a little go - will come back once or if I do anything smile

Andy
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/08/20 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Hi Folks,

bad News from Austria. I am out with my ordered CA99 EP. Not available in our country.

Positive point I got my money back.

Galuwen


Sorry to hear of this news matey - hope you get sorted in the end smile

Andy
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/08/20 11:37 PM
Hi all. I could really use your help.

I just received my CA99, and I'm having a strange problem. The middle octave (on speaker, SK-EX grand) sounds funny. It's hard to describe, like it's distorted a little, or like an electric instrument is present. I did a few tests. I thought something was wrong with the speakers, so I tried the music demo. I picked Fur Elise because it uses the notes at the very beginning that sounds funny on my piano. On the demo, it doesn't sound funny at all. In fact, it sounds amazing. So I was thinking the key sensors must be broken, but that was not the case because on headphones, it sounds great also.

I did a factory reset, and my firmware is 1.04.

All in all, I love the piano, especially the feel and touch, but this weird distorted, tinny sound is bothering the heck out of me.

Please help, and thank you.
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/09/20 02:43 PM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Hi all. I could really use your help.

I just received my CA99, and I'm having a strange problem. The middle octave (on speaker, SK-EX grand) sounds funny. It's hard to describe, like it's distorted a little, or like an electric instrument is present. I did a few tests. I thought something was wrong with the speakers, so I tried the music demo. I picked Fur Elise because it uses the notes at the very beginning that sounds funny on my piano. On the demo, it doesn't sound funny at all. In fact, it sounds amazing. So I was thinking the key sensors must be broken, but that was not the case because on headphones, it sounds great also.

I did a factory reset, and my firmware is 1.04.

All in all, I love the piano, especially the feel and touch, but this weird distorted, tinny sound is bothering the heck out of me.

Please help, and thank you.


My problem has been resolved by updating the firmware.
Posted By: JayKoe Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/09/20 06:16 PM
BTW https://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/
A new firmware is available.

Best,
J.
Posted By: BastiaanB Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/09/20 11:46 PM
As you live in the European Union there are no real obstacles to order it in another EU-country. For example there are a few major German online dealers who have it in stock, who can also ship to your home in Austria at a reasonable price.
Originally Posted by Galuwen
But now I habe to stick with the 98...because no availiability of new CA99 anymore. All units in Austria prebooked for the big online warehouses and none for my local dealer.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/10/20 12:47 AM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
My problem has been resolved by updating the firmware.

Thanks for confirming.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/10/20 12:49 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Thx for the reply. I orded a CA99 EP (I am owning a CA98 alteady).

And also I owned a CA97,95 and 93...

But now I habe to stick with the 98...because no availiability of new CA99 anymore. All units in Austria prebooked for the big online warehouses and none for my local dealer.

I'm sorry to hear that.

While it should be possible to purchase the instrument from another retailer, as BastiaanB notes, I can appreciate your desire to purchase from and support your local dealer. Therefore, my recommendation would be to simply wait until the availability situation improves.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/10/20 04:45 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Thx for the reply. I orded a CA99 EP (I am owning a CA98 alteady).

And also I owned a CA97,95 and 93...

But now I habe to stick with the 98...because no availiability of new CA99 anymore. All units in Austria prebooked for the big online warehouses and none for my local dealer.

I'm sorry to hear that.

While it should be possible to purchase the instrument from another retailer, as BastiaanB notes, I can appreciate your desire to purchase from and support your local dealer. Therefore, my recommendation would be to simply wait until the availability situation improves.

Kind regards,
James
x

I will do my best. Really. Problem is the penalty for my loyalty: If my dealers becomes insolvent in the next weeks all my money AND my CA98 is gone :-( :-( :-(.

It's hard time...

Galuwen
Posted By: Otavio Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/10/20 09:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDWa7Y1Iw4

Youtube compression ruined the samples
Even with that, they sound nice
Posted By: Otavio Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/10/20 09:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDWa7Y1Iw4

Youtube compression ruined the samples
Even with that, they sound nice
Posted By: Dennyzz Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/11/20 10:32 AM
I love my new ca79. The only thing I don't like is the time you have to wait for the power up, 6 seconds for the sound and 30 for the software!!
Is the same for you?
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/11/20 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Dennyzz
I love my new ca79. The only thing I don't like is the time you have to wait for the power up, 6 seconds for the sound and 30 for the software!!
Is the same for you?
Yes, about the same.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/12/20 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Dennyzz
I love my new ca79. The only thing I don't like is the time you have to wait for the power up, 6 seconds for the sound and 30 for the software!!
Is the same for you?
Are you serious? That's the worst info about new pianos I heard so far. 30s is waaay too long nowadays. At least sound engine loads up a bit faster. Similar to CA98, but on CA98 full software loads faster, I'd have to measure it.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/12/20 11:16 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by Dennyzz
I love my new ca79. The only thing I don't like is the time you have to wait for the power up, 6 seconds for the sound and 30 for the software!!
Is the same for you?
Are you serious? That's the worst info about new pianos I heard so far. 30s is waaay too long nowadays. At least sound engine loads up a bit faster. Similar to CA98, but on CA98 full software loads faster, I'd have to measure it.


Yes there IS a lot of power behind the housing of our new CA series. I don't mind.... you can play after 6s....

Galuwen
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/13/20 10:39 AM
Hi Everyone,

Having fun with my ca 79 but have a question ....

Is the app out yet for the Ca 79 - ca 99???????

Cheers

Andy
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/13/20 10:44 AM
Yes. Search for PianoRemote in the store
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/13/20 11:45 AM
Hello Andy,

Originally Posted by Killomiter
Is the app out yet for the Ca 79 - ca 99??????

Yes, the app was approved on Friday afternoon/evening.

I just posted a new thread in case some folks missed the info elsewhere.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2966386

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Dennyzz Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/13/20 05:56 PM
Now, with the latest update it takes 47 seconds to load the os!!! it's crazy for this price range
Posted By: Dennyzz Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/13/20 06:36 PM
Anyway, I want to share a trick, maybe already known, if you keep the piano at least 30cm far from the wall the sound improves a lot!
Sorry for double post.
Posted By: sordes Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/13/20 06:54 PM
Hi,

Also a new owner of CA79 here. I just received it yesterday and I am really enjoying it so far.

@Dennyzz - Thanks for the audio tip about putting several inches from the wall. It does indeed sound better

My only negative so far is the boot-up time of the user interface. On my unit with the latest version of both UI and firmware, it takes 33 seconds to boot.

Cheers,

Robert
Posted By: Herby Derby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/14/20 08:48 PM
CA99 arrived this weekend, upgrading from Casio PX-160 :-)

Got a good deal due to virus-related dealer liquidation. Wasn't sold on the rosewood color but that was all they had. In person it looks nicer than I expected.

Is it strange that I prefer the sound of the EX Concert Grand over the SK-EX? The SK sounds a little... muddled?

[Linked Image]
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/14/20 09:01 PM
Could that be caused by room acoustics? Hardwood floors, no soft surfaces?
Originally Posted by Herby Derby
The SK sounds a little... muddled?[Linked Image]
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/14/20 09:28 PM
I have not only tested but now own ca79 (in polished ebony), I did weigh the middle c, around 54 gms at normal temperature.
Speakers are more than loud enough. Feel is excellent which I regard as a strong point of the piano.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 01:52 AM
Congrats on your new pianos folks!

If you haven't done so already, please be sure to update the software running on your instruments to the latest version.

I posted a thread about this topic with more info here:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2964917

The PianoRemote app for iOS and Android is also now available:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2966386/

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Osho Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 02:17 AM
Originally Posted by sordes
My only negative so far is the boot-up time of the user interface. On my unit with the latest version of both UI and firmware, it takes 33 seconds to boot.

If it's software is similar to Kawai Novus NV10 (which I guess that it is) then you don't have to wait for the screen to show the UI to start playing. You can start playing about 3-4 seconds after pushing the power button while the UI is still booting up.

Osho
Posted By: JoBert Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 06:09 AM
Originally Posted by Herby Derby
Is it strange that I prefer the sound of the EX Concert Grand over the SK-EX? The SK sounds a little... muddled?
Not strange, if you are coming from a Casio. Your ears still have a different baseline for what you think as a the "normal" piano sound and the EX comes closest to that. I had the same effect when I went from a P105 to the CA97 years ago. At first I preferred the EX over the SK-EX. But over time that changed and I noticed how "dated" the EX sounds in comparison to the more complex and refined SK-EX, so I migrated away from it more and more. And then with the even better SK-EX Rendering in the newer models, even more so. These days, I play the SK-EX rendering more or less exclusively. Even the "normal" SK-EX sounds bland in comparison. And whenever I try it again, I really wonder how I could ever have preferred the EX.
But then again, it's also totally a matter of taste. There's people who posted here, who said that the Standard Grand (or was it Warm Grand?) is the only acceptable piano voice. And that sound is really getting long in the tooth...
Posted By: ChrisGoesPiano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 10:49 AM
Originally Posted by Herby Derby
CA99 arrived this weekend, upgrading from Casio PX-160 :-)

Got a good deal due to virus-related dealer liquidation. Wasn't sold on the rosewood color but that was all they had. In person it looks nicer than I expected.

Is it strange that I prefer the sound of the EX Concert Grand over the SK-EX? The SK sounds a little... muddled?

[Linked Image]

Looks lovely.
What I've noticed is that in the US, most cabinet pianos come with the bench included (I assume yours was included as it seems to match perfectly), whereas in Europe, pianos never come with a bench (unless it's in a bundle and the bench is from some obscure and cheap brand). And it's not just Kawai.
I wonder why that is...
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 11:17 AM
Nice shiny beast you have there - feed it well to look after it/she smile
Posted By: Pete14 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 12:02 PM
I’m sorry, but that there piano is definitely a ‘he’! grin
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by Pete14
I’m sorry, but that there piano is definitely a ‘he’! grin
True that smile
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 01:26 PM
Have you both checked for gonads? he he smile

Mine is deffo a she as she repeatedly refuses to do what I want her to do - (it cannot be my fingers) wink
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 03:13 PM
Must ... resist ... temptation ... to ... reply.
Originally Posted by Killomiter
Mine is deffo a she as she repeatedly refuses to do what I want her to do - (it cannot be my fingers) wink
Posted By: Pete14 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 03:35 PM
Mac, I’ve decided to pass on this one, too, but the temptation is killing me! cry
Posted By: EPW Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/15/20 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by Pete14
Mac, I’ve decided to pass on this one, too, but the temptation is killing me! cry

Well Pete we don't want you to kill yourself so go ahead lets see what you got LOL
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/16/20 02:48 PM
I'm surprised the midi player on the new CA79 series cannot fast forward, adjust tempo, play sections etc
My previous digital piano was a Yamaha clp170 about 15 years old and could do all this, the midi on the ca79 is very limited, i was hoping the new update would have featured all this.Only for the heavier action I would have kept the Yamaha for the piano sound, but due to arthritis and the lovely light action Im hoping this piano will grow on me.
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/16/20 04:19 PM
I have the CA79 and have the sound turned to 2 bars there are 6 altogether. There again I am 62 year old with Tinnitus
Posted By: Otavio Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/16/20 04:31 PM
How light/easy to play it´s Ca79/99 compared to Casio GP ?
Posted By: Dennyzz Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 12:13 AM
Guys, do you know if is possibile to add 2 speakers, but without mute the piano speakers?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 02:37 AM
Hello P Twamley,

Originally Posted by P Twamley
I'm surprised the midi player on the new CA79 series cannot fast forward, adjust tempo, play sections etc

I've just checked this using a CA99 prototype.

When selecting one of the built-in songs, I can set the playing position, and then if I select the Lesson mode (top of the screen), can adjust the tempo and set A-B repeat positions.

However, when loading a MIDI file from USB memory, these options are not available.

I will pass on this feedback to the development team, and ask them to investigate the possibility of implementing these features for MIDI file playback.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 12:43 PM
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Mac - just realised wink
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 12:46 PM
@Dennyzz
If one is to use the line out then I one can have additional speakers but they need to be amplified I guess.

Hope this helps

Andy
Posted By: Burkey Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Otavio
How light/easy to play it´s Ca79/99 compared to Casio GP ?
CA79/CA99 keys are more evenly weighted than the keys Casio GP-310/GP-510.

Casio GPs are graded from about 40g at C8 up to about 60g at A0.

Kawai's new action is amazingly well graded from about 48g at C8 to about 53/54g at A0.
Posted By: clothearednincompo Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 01:22 PM
Then there are also "perfectly graded" actions. Yamaha calls them "balanced" and the weight is the same for all keys! Imagine! 😉

So, the point was that I found "amazingly well graded" a funny statement when talking about digital pianos.

(Nothing wrong with the statement per se.)
Posted By: Otavio Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 01:47 PM
Originally Posted by Burkie
Originally Posted by Otavio
How light/easy to play it´s Ca79/99 compared to Casio GP ?
CA79/CA99 keys are more evenly weighted than the keys Casio GP-310/GP-510.

Casio GPs are graded from about 40g at C8 up to about 60g at A0.

Kawai's new action is amazingly well graded from about 48g at C8 to about 53/54g at A0.

Hummm, a more evenly distributed weight on keys it's better ?
Posted By: Burkey Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Then there are also "perfectly graded" actions. Yamaha calls them "balanced" and the weight is the same for all keys! Imagine! 😉

So, the point was that I found "amazingly well graded" a funny statement when talking about digital pianos.
Yep: when will all manufacturers finally weight them perfectly the same smile

How could you improve on perfection one might wonder?! By allowing the player to fully customize the weighting (and action) of every key smile Perhaps by employing water compartments and pumps?!
Posted By: Burkey Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by Otavio
Hummm, a more evenly distributed weight on keys it's better ?
Yes: acoustic piano manufacturers all strive to minimize the weight difference across all keys. They are forced to have a small amount of grading (3-4 grams) due the larger hammers in the bass.

However many digital pianos have a much more pronounced (worse) weight grading across the keys. Sometimes more than 20 grams difference between A0 and C8 (naughty Casio and a Roland!).

The best digitals when it comes to weight grading are:
Kawai CA79/CA99 (much better than CA78/CA98)
Yamaha AvantGrand N1X/N3X
Probably the Kawai NV10 - unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure of playing one yet, I saw it but the Kawai technician in the store had it in pieces on the ground frown

Even the top of the line Roland LX706/LX708 models are inferior when it comes to weight grading.
Posted By: Otavio Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 02:48 PM
Nice...
Posted By: sleutelbos Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/17/20 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by Dennyzz
Guys, do you know if is possibile to add 2 speakers, but without mute the piano speakers?

Sure, just plug the (powered) speakers into the line-out of the CA79/CA99. If you do want to only use the external speakers just plug a cable into the headphone-out, that mutes the internal speakers.
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 05:04 AM
Hi all,

I thought I would share my first post with an in-depth review of my new Kawai CA79 in Ebony Satin which I picked up last weekend.


Background and Pianos Considered:
First of all, a bit of background. Based in Sydney Australia, I am a classically trained (recreational) pianist who began learning at 4 years old. I continued until I was around 18 years old and then gave it a rest whilst I focused on university studies and my career. My favourite composers are Chopin, Scriabin, Rachmaninoff and Ravel. Now in my early 30’s and amidst the self-isolating world I find myself in, I thought it would be a good idea to try and restore some skills I have lost over the past decade and pick it back up again. Also having recently moved into an apartment, I thought it would be a good idea to buy a digital piano so I can play to my heart’s content without disturbing the neighbours.

I spent the majority of my childhood learning on a Yamaha U5, which is one of the finest acoustic upright pianos. I also have had a lot of experience playing on Yamaha C5 acoustic grand (the high school piano) as well as performing on some Kawai and Steinway acoustic grands at the Sydney Opera House.

For me, the biggest selling point when it comes to choosing a piano is the feel of the action, to have it as close to a grand piano as possible as the heavier key weighting allows for greater control. Although the Yamaha U5 has a nice action for an upright piano, it simply doesn’t compare to the action of a grand piano and I personally don’t see the appeal with hybrid upright models such as the Yamaha NU1X and Kawai Novus NV5 which try to replicate an upright action. Having done plenty of research on the Pianoworld forums, and going to local stores to play test them, I came down to the following options: Kawai CA79, Yamaha CLP-675, Kawai Novus NV10 and Yamaha Avantgrand N1X.

The Yamaha CLP-675 had a heaver but somewhat unnatural and artificial action in my opinion. The fact that the user-interface was rather outdated, and the fact that it was more expensive than the CA79 meant that it was ruled out.

Unfortunately, I was unable to try a Yamaha Avantgrand N1X as there are no retailers in Sydney which have them available, and I was told there would be at least a 6 month lead time which was far too long for me to wait. I really would’ve liked to try this piano as it is a hybrid piano at a more attractive price point than the Kawai Novus NV10 but the lack of availability unfortunately meant it was struck off my list.

Speaking of the Kawai Novus NV10, I had an opportunity to try this hybrid piano and was blown away by how authentic and sublime the action is. It is definitely a level above the CA79, and even little things like seeing the keys reflect on the traditional vertical polished ebony fallboard made it feel like I was sitting in front of the real deal. I would’ve loved to own the NV10 but I simply couldn’t justify buying it at 3-4 times the price of a CA79 as a temporary piano to get me through self-isolation and a few subsequent years of apartment living. Once my wife and I move into a house and have the space for a grand piano, we may consider a hybrid piano like the Novus NV10 or an actual acoustic grand.

That left the Kawai CA79, which I picked up last weekend, along with Kawai SH9 headphones which were free as part of a current Kawai Australia promotion for the CA79/99. I will break down my review into positives and negatives.

Positives:
- The Grand Feel III action is the best digital piano action and the next best thing to the Millennium III Hybrid action of the Novus NV10 in my opinion. It feels much more natural than Yamaha’s GrandTouch action and has a nicely balanced weighting. I haven’t had a chance to play a CA78 with the Grand Feel II action for comparison, but nevertheless I am happy with the action of the CA79.
- The SK-EX rendering sounds great through headphones and has a wide range of adjustability (perhaps too many options, but I guess I would prefer to have these options than not have them). There are many other electronic instruments/sounds available, however I don’t use these as I am purely after an acoustic grand piano sound.
- The touchscreen and user-interface is visually attractive.
- The Virtual Technician feature is great, and allows fine tuning of particular nuances of the pianos sounds.
- The cabinet design is nice and attractive, with some subtle upgrades over the CA78. Overall build quality seems very high, and it was easy to assemble with two people.
- The key surfaces, particularly the Ebony Touch black keys with their textured matte finish are nice and reminiscent of a grand piano, and help to absorb moisture so they are less slippery under the fingertips.
- The pedals are solid and respond to half-pedalling. I also like the subtle damper noise which you can hear when depressing the sustain pedal without playing anything.
- I think the music rest design is great, with several positions and velvet padding on the bottom. I actually prefer this design of music rest to that on the CA99 and other typical acoustic upright pianos as it will easily hold single sheets of paper without the chance of buckling in the middle and falling off. This is another reason why I previously chose a Yamaha U5 with its full size music desk over the U3 with its more traditional flip down music stand.
- The Kawai SH9 headphones (semi-open type) do a good job of portraying the SK-EX rendering. They have a high-quality plug & cable and are comfortable to wear. I can’t comment on the sound quality in comparison to other headphones, but the mid-range and upper registers are clear and bright, however could do with a bit more bass in the lower registers.
- The additional features such as metronome and recording are useful for practice.
- Includes a bench with storage, which seems to be of high quality. I know some markets get an adjustable bench, but I’m not sure which they are. Perhaps Kawai James can confirm?

Negatives:
- The touchscreen doesn’t seem to be overly responsive, nowhere near the response of say a modern mobile phone. Sometimes I can press it lightly with a fingertip and other times I need to firmly press my fingerprint and wait a second or two for it to respond. However, the most annoying thing about it is the way that it will inadvertently change slider settings when you are scrolling through options (e.g. the Virtual Technician settings). An example of this can be seen in this video review at 4min 2secs, where he is simply scrolling through the list but is inadvertently changing some parameters to their maximum settings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDWa7Y1Iw4&t=4m02s I really hope this is fixed with a future firmware update.
- The sound of the inbuilt speakers seems good, but I wouldn’t call them great. The sound is slightly muddy and lacks outright punch especially in lower registers. The CA99 is slightly better in this respect with its inbuilt soundboard system, but neither come close to listening through a decent set of headphones.
- Maybe it’s just me, but I find the favourite sound and the user-saved sound function confusing. If I favourite a particular Piano Variation & Virtual Technician setting, when I subsequently select it from the favourites list in the Sound tab, the Virtual Technician settings revert to their default. Also I can’t seem to select a user-saved setting from the Sound tab, and go back to the Piano tab (where it shows the picture of the SK-EX) without it reverting to default VT and ambience settings.
- When using the keyboard (e.g. to save sound settings with a particular name), there doesn’t seem to be an option to use capital letters so all of my presets are in lower-case (not good for my OCD haha). Again, I hope this is fixed in a firmware update.
- As others on the forum have pointed out, the start-up time of the piano is surprisingly slow.
- Whilst the graphics on the touchscreen disappear after auto-display off has been activated, the backlight of the touchscreen seems to stay on, which is noticeable in a dark room.


Other Observations/Questions:
Current Versions:
- UI 1.0.4
- Touch Panel System 3.3.20
- Firmware V1.07

My preferred settings (through the Kawai SH9 headphones):
- Piano Variation: SK-EX Rendering
- Rendering Type: Classic
- Ambience: Natural
- Touch Curve: Normal
- Voicing: Normal
- Resonance Depth 5
- Damper Noise 6
- Fallback Noise 5
- Hammer Noise 5
- Hammer Delay Off
- Topboard Open 3
- Decay Time 6 or 7
- Release Time 5
- Minimum Touch 1
- Stretch Tuning Normal
- Temperament Equal C
- Key Volume Normal
- Half Pedal Adjust 10
- Soft Pedal Depth 3

- I’ve noticed the thin felt strip across the top of the keys is black on my version. Can Kawai James confirm this is consistent across Ebony Satin models, as I believe the Rosewood version has red felt?

- Can Kawai James confirm the standby power consumption of the piano (i.e. if it is powered on, but with the display off?) Given the long startup time, I prefer to leave it on standby than powering it down but am wondering whether it will consume much power.

Some pictures:
[img]https://photos.app.goo.gl/Lqg1bDzGQuZWHtsy8[/img]
[img]https://photos.app.goo.gl/qJZvWe4HvXF1Ax7r7[/img]
[img]https://photos.app.goo.gl/gPAHWe7oBsZ4nb4n8[/img]
[img]https://photos.app.goo.gl/ganxSVayMCT4Uqbp7[/img]
[img]https://photos.app.goo.gl/vmuZTvX2CKw9SvhM8[/img]


Overall, I am really happy with my purchase and am interested to see whether other CA79 owners share the same thoughts. I also hope this review helps with any potential buyers with their purchasing decision!


Anthony
Posted By: 9190 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 10:22 AM
Originally Posted by evolution42
- Whilst the graphics on the touchscreen disappear after auto-display off has been activated, the backlight of the touchscreen seems to stay on, which is noticeable in a dark room.
Thanks for this info. It's ridiculous that this hasn't been fixed yet.

Generally speaking, the more I read reviews of CA79, the more I accept the idea that I will need to look towards "MP12". Including some other reasons like effect of traditional vertical fallboard behind the keys…
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… which was destroyed in new CA79 design. I wrote about it here. I hope, at least in "MP12", Kawai won't destroy this important design element, which is important for me not only aesthetically but also practically, to maintain the right technique and more authentic feelings.

I don't like the touch screen path that Kawai has taken in its cabinet pianos. At least the way it is implemented.
Posted By: Marapa Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 02:18 PM
Hi. I am new to the forum.
I've been reading about the Kawai Ca79-99 for days because I want to buy one of these pianos, but I don't know which model to decide on. I could pay what 99 is worth, but I wouldn't want to overpay if there isn't a big difference. Someone with the ca-99 can tell me what made him decide on that model instead of the 79.
Thank you
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 02:59 PM
Have you tried the CA79 and CA99? If not I would urge you to do so.
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 03:05 PM
The updated recorder now has the "overdub" button, and it record straight to USB if you have one in there.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by Marapa
Hi. I am new to the forum.
I've been reading about the Kawai Ca79-99 for days because I want to buy one of these pianos, but I don't know which model to decide on. I could pay what 99 is worth, but I wouldn't want to overpay if there isn't a big difference. Someone with the ca-99 can tell me what made him decide on that model instead of the 79.
Thank you
If you will play mostly via speakers and you can afford CA99 then it will definitely be worth it. Soundboard speaker is incredible.
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Carlos-CR
Originally Posted by Roy18
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CA78 on the left and CA79 to the right, speakers have the same specifications so not sure why sound quality could be any worse

I think nobody mentioned lower quality, just under powered speakers. In that respect efficiency of speakers can be a factor. Also, maybe the diffuser affects perception of loudness.. Don't really know but I won't give much credit until tried in person. And take into account that some stores are pretty loud and what seems under powered there is overkill at home.
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 04:27 PM
could not agree more I have the CA79 and the volume is up on level 2, there are another 3.
Volume can be affected by room size and acoustics which includes carpeting and very important underlay, furthermore it is personal preference i.e I am a 62 year old with tinnitus, so I am experimenting with the settings and hopefully have now found a setting to suit me which I have noted in my handbook and set as my startup default.
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 05:31 PM
Its 55gms, I have weighed this and this was a big influence in my purchase
Posted By: mikepis Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 07:11 PM
One question to Kawai James:

If I intend to use CA79/99 as a regular midi controller, would it work? The manual to CA79 is not written very clearly. Could not find the option of storing midi-related data (channel number, program change number, local on/off, split point, transpose, dual function etc.) as a user-defined configuration. There is a brief mention of "Favorites category" on pg. 34 and "Save this sound" option on pg. 35 and that's it.

On the other hand, the Novus NV5 manual is written very well and the Favorites Screen layout an storing Favorite memories are outlined in detail. The question is whether this applies also to CA79/99. I am afraid it does not. The firmware in both is obviously different.

Thank you for the reply.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/18/20 07:50 PM
OUCH! frown
Originally Posted by mikepis
The manual to CA79 is not written very clearly.
Posted By: frax79 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/19/20 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by evolution42
- The sound of the inbuilt speakers seems good, but I wouldn’t call them great. The sound is slightly muddy and lacks outright punch especially in lower registers. The CA99 is slightly better in this respect with its inbuilt soundboard system, but neither come close to listening through a decent set of headphones.

Sorry to hear that.. I was looking for a piano with a small gap between headphones and built in speakers but still have to find it.

What do you think is the best piano for speakers listening?
Maybe adding some bang and olusfen 1500 euro speakers will be the only solution.

I heard that NV5 had an edge on speaker experience over most Kawai piano anyone tried it head to head with CA99/CS11?
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/19/20 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by frax79
Originally Posted by evolution42
- The sound of the inbuilt speakers seems good, but I wouldn’t call them great. The sound is slightly muddy and lacks outright punch especially in lower registers. The CA99 is slightly better in this respect with its inbuilt soundboard system, but neither come close to listening through a decent set of headphones.

Sorry to hear that.. I was looking for a piano with a small gap between headphones and built in speakers but still have to find it.
It's very subjective. Again I think it has to do with overall Kawai soft/"muddy" sound character rather than sound system. Some people are used to bright sounding pianos.
Posted By: terminaldegree Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/19/20 12:52 PM
It was not my experience that either of the new Kawais (CA99, NV5) with the soundboard speaker system was lacking for low frequency power.
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/19/20 01:57 PM
Yes , but I start playing before the startup screen fully loads, I'm impatient like that
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/19/20 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by terminaldegree
It was not my experience that either of the new Kawais (CA99, NV5) with the soundboard speaker system was lacking for low frequency power.

Well neither was and is mine on CA98, and across all frequencies, even mid range give very nice vibrations. Those things are very powerful, IMO most powerful of all digital pianos, including Avant Grands, not sure about NV10, I've tested it and strangely I still think soundboard on other Kawai pianos sound better.
Posted By: frax79 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/19/20 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
It's very subjective. Again I think it has to do with overall Kawai soft/"muddy" sound character rather than sound system. Some people are used to bright sounding pianos.

I tend to agree but that would also affect headphone use while in my experience it does not.

My ES8 coupled with Sennheiser HD650 which costed a third of the piano price itself return headphone experience miles away speakers experience not muddy at all. That makes me doubt about speaker quality.

Until now I think CS11 thanks to the cabinet size was the best sounding piano via built in speakers but really curious about NV5 and CA99. I guess we will need to wait store opening in order to test them side by side.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/19/20 08:25 PM
But headphones will be always different because of different sound characteristic and because sound gets to ears directly. Also "Clear" sound might just mean louder high frequencies which is the case for 90% of headphones, even expensive ones. I have never played Kawai concert grand so I'm not sure how those digitals are compared to them but I played some other grand pianos that sound similar. I'm not saying that is really the case here but I think it is worth consideration.
Posted By: frax79 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/20/20 02:14 AM
I see what you mean and that's a good point, thanks.

Considering what you said, speaker experience does not always need to close the gap with headphones, we just accept them to be different as long as they sound good to you.

A better comparison for speaker experience could be acoustic piano. I will keep that in mind during my next store visit.

In my case with ES8, when playing pieces very busy with notes, a lot of details are lost up to the point I have to stop playing because I can hear only a mess of notes. That does not happen with headphone or with my previous acoustic. Hope I will have better personal experience with CA99 or NV5.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/20/20 07:49 AM
Hello Anthony, welcome to the forum and thank you for your detailed post.

To answer your queries:

Originally Posted by evolution42
- Includes a bench with storage, which seems to be of high quality. I know some markets get an adjustable bench, but I’m not sure which they are. Perhaps Kawai James can confirm?

Yes, CA99/CA79 models distributed by Kawai America and Kawai Australia included a bench with storage (model WB-151). In Japan (and some other Asian markets), an adjustable bench without storage (WB-35) is included. In other markets (with some exceptions), a bench is not included.

Originally Posted by evolution42
- Maybe it’s just me, but I find the favourite sound and the user-saved sound function confusing. If I favourite a particular Piano Variation & Virtual Technician setting, when I subsequently select it from the favourites list in the Sound tab, the Virtual Technician settings revert to their default.

Please note that Favorites do not contain any user adjustments. If you make adjustments to a sound, then set it as a Favorite, the adjustments will not be retained. The Favorites functionality is simply to provide easy access to the user's preferred factory default sounds (i.e. without adjustments).
In order to prepare adjusted versions of these sounds, and have them immediately available from a single list, please use the User sounds function.

Originally Posted by evolution42
Also I can’t seem to select a user-saved setting from the Sound tab, and go back to the Piano tab (where it shows the picture of the SK-EX) without it reverting to default VT and ambience settings.

I will need to confirm this behaviour.

Originally Posted by evolution42
- Whilst the graphics on the touchscreen disappear after auto-display off has been activated, the backlight of the touchscreen seems to stay on, which is noticeable in a dark room.

Backlight off functionality is planned for a future software update.

Originally Posted by evolution42
Can Kawai James confirm this is consistent across Ebony Satin models, as I believe the Rosewood version has red felt?

Yes, that's correct.

Black Satin and White Satin finish instruments feature silver parts with black felt, while Rosewood finish instruments feature gold/brass parts with red felt.

Originally Posted by evolution42
- Can Kawai James confirm the standby power consumption of the piano (i.e. if it is powered on, but with the display off?) Given the long startup time, I prefer to leave it on standby than powering it down but am wondering whether it will consume much power.

I will need to check this with the product certification team.

Thank you once again for your feedback.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/20/20 08:20 AM
Hello mikepis,

Originally Posted by mikepis
If I intend to use CA79/99 as a regular midi controller, would it work?

Yes, I believe so. Provided the only MIDI data required is for the keyboards and pedals.

Originally Posted by mikepis
The manual to CA79 is not written very clearly.

I did not have a great deal of involvement in the creation of the CA99/CA79 owner's manual, however I shall pass on your feedback to the team that oversaw this documentation.

Originally Posted by mikepis
Could not find the option of storing midi-related data (channel number, program change number, local on/off, split point, transpose, dual function etc.) as a user-defined configuration. There is a brief mention of "Favorites category" on pg. 34 and "Save this sound" option on pg. 35 and that's it.

Please note that on the CA99/CA79, MIDI settings are set globally. Therefore, it is not possible to change MIDI settings "on the fly" by selecting different User memories.
By default, MIDI settings will be reset to the factory default configuration when the instrument is turned off/on, however this behaviour can be changed by selecting either the "Current" or "Power Off" Startup Settings type. As noted in my reply to Andrew above, Favorites do not store any user-defined adjustments. Nominating a sound as a "Favorite" simply adds that sound to the "Favorites" list, using the factory default settings.

Originally Posted by mikepis
On the other hand, the Novus NV5 manual is written very well and the Favorites Screen layout an storing Favorite memories are outlined in detail. The question is whether this applies also to CA79/99. I am afraid it does not. The firmware in both is obviously different.

Yes, the CA99/CA79 and NV5 use completely different systems, and are therefore not comparable in this respect.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Tuomas 2 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/20/20 01:39 PM
I like my new CA99. My biggest complaint so far is that line out volume can't be adjusted separately from master volume. I would like to combine
onboard speakers with my audio system (Genelec). Could this be fixed as software update? That would be super nice.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/20/20 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Tuomas 2
I like my new CA99. My biggest complaint so far is that line out volume can't be adjusted separately from master volume. I would like to combine
onboard speakers with my audio system (Genelec). Could this be fixed as software update? That would be super nice.
Would be nice but can't you control volume on your external speakers? It actually makes more sense since you would set volume on external speakers once and then regulate by piano volume slider.
Posted By: Tuomas 2 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/20/20 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by Tuomas 2
I like my new CA99. My biggest complaint so far is that line out volume can't be adjusted separately from master volume. I would like to combine
onboard speakers with my audio system (Genelec). Could this be fixed as software update? That would be super nice.
Would be nice but can't you control volume on your external speakers? It actually makes more sense since you would set volume on external speakers once and then regulate by piano volume slider.

That is bad idea because if I set master volume down to some nice level, and amplify low volume line out signal with some external device, it also amplify noise to unbearable level.
Posted By: Tibobik Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/20/20 09:29 PM
Hi all,
Thanks for this very valuable forum.
I'm about to buy a CA79 remotely. I was initially targetting a CA78, but I think I have a better deal for a CA79 here in France . That's why I'm interested in opinions from people having tried both CA78 and CA79.

Here is my dilemma:
- I have tested CA78 and appreciate it a lot (I didn't even notice the teflon or the "spongy feel" some mentioned)
- I haven't tested CA79, and don't know when I would be able to
- I obviously am reading from Kawai and dealers that GF3 is better than GF2 (nothing strange), but also here and there, that the GF3 touch is "lighter" than GF2 or sometimes "too light"
- It's really hard for me to get an opinion on this, especially as I think opinions mix "lighter weight" with some kind of "less friction"
- Other upgrades from CA78 to CA79 are of less importance for me. The touch is important.

To give you some background about my practice, as well as tests I've done:
- I'm upgrading from an old Roland HP1600, and in any case I'm sure I will be happy coming from an HP1600, but in the same time, CA79 is a bugdet for me, and I plan keeping the new DP for several years.
- For example if the touch of CA79 was as light as ES8's RH3, it wouldn't be acceptable for me. However, strangely enough, I found MP7SE's RH3 OK
- MP11SE's GF perfectly OK, and CA78's GF2 perfectly perfect smile

Your opinion/experience on GF3 is welcome.
BR,
Tibobik
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/21/20 12:36 AM
Thanks Kawai James for your responses.

In addition to confirming the standby power consumption of the CA79, are you also able to pass on the following points regarding the touchscreen/user interface to the relevant teams so they can be fixed in an upcoming software update?

Originally Posted by evolution42
- The touchscreen doesn’t seem to be overly responsive, nowhere near the response of say a modern mobile phone. Sometimes I can press it lightly with a fingertip and other times I need to firmly press my fingerprint and wait a second or two for it to respond. However, the most annoying thing about it is the way that it will inadvertently change slider settings when you are scrolling through options (e.g. the Virtual Technician settings). An example of this can be seen in this video review at 4min 2secs, where he is simply scrolling through the list but is inadvertently changing some parameters to their maximum settings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDWa7Y1Iw4&t=4m02s I really hope this is fixed with a future firmware update.

Originally Posted by evolution42
- When using the keyboard (e.g. to save sound settings with a particular name), there doesn’t seem to be an option to use capital letters so all of my presets are in lower-case (not good for my OCD haha). Again, I hope this is fixed in a firmware update.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/21/20 03:02 AM
Anthony, I have passed on your feedback to the development team.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/21/20 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by Tibobik
- I obviously am reading from Kawai and dealers that GF3 is better than GF2 (nothing strange), but also here and there, that the GF3 touch is "lighter" than GF2 or sometimes "too light"
I think it has been debunked. GF3 is just more responsive and more evenly weighted, that's why it may appear as lighter.
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/21/20 09:53 AM
@ Tibobik
I've purchased my CA79 after testing it against the CA78. The GF3 action is much faster. Several members of this forum weighted the GF3 keys between 48-53 grams (one report mentioned 55 grams). In terms of weight this is what you would see as average in the acoustic grands.
I am very happy with the CA79 glad I got it (had to wait for few days to have it delivered in North East of France...).
Posted By: mikepis Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/21/20 01:43 PM
Hello Kawai James.

Many thanks for the explanation.

One last question.

Having read your text, it seems to me that the concept of the Favorites function in CA79/99 (merely the sound storage without user-defined adjustments) is entirely different from the Favorite function in Novus NV5. If so, this is a bit misleading to me.


NV5 manual says: " The Favorite function allows the current instrument setup (sound selections, split point, reverb and effect settings, and various other panel options) to be stored to a memory and immediately recalled with a single tap. The Favorite screen displays 4 memories per page, with a maximum of 4 pages, allowing a total of 16 different Favorite memories to be stored."

MIDI settings (PC number, local control, channel number) are explicitly said to be included in the adjustments, too.

That means, I can have in total 16 different user-defined "live sets" (that name is used by Roland). Do I understand it correctly?

Thanks
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 05:06 AM
I think the Favourite feature on the CA79/99 should purely be a one-touch access to a preferred "Piano Variation + Rendering Type + Virtual Technician Setting + Ambience Setting" combination within the Piano tab. When using this favourite, the heart symbol should be illuminated but if any subsequent changes are made, the heart should grey out. There also should be an option to "Save this sound as Favourite".

And the User Sounds should be a listing of stored "Piano Variation + Rendering Type + Virtual Technician Setting + Ambience Setting" combinations within the Sounds tab, one of these being the Favourite with the heart logo next to it to signify this.
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 07:09 AM
Hi guys,
I'm new here, have been reading this forum for the last few days as i am dying to replace my dead Yamaha P120S (15 years of use and super happy with it but several keys broken now and 600EUR to repair).
I will be straight to the point: I am about to place my order for the new CA99 EP (in France, next to Swiss border) but i have never tried any kawai digital pianos and no possibility to have it exchanged if not satisfied. I have a big doubt (it is a 4'000EUR+ instrument !).

I play advanced classical and jazz piano, enjoyed the touch of my Yamaha P120S for 15 years and was hesitating to buy a silent Yamaha (YUS1 TA2) - though not the same budget. But as i may move abroad soon again, i believe digital is an easier option (and cheaper).

My questions to the ca99 owners:
- do you enjoy playing it ?
- do you still have more pleasure playing on an accoustic or are you happy with the ca99 ?
- if some know the Yamaha P120S, will I feel an upgrade with the ca99 or not really ?
- I read the ca99 touch (GF3) is somehow "Light" - i don't want to end up with a keyboard too light (such as the Yamaha PSR keyboards)

Lastly, mine does not come with a bench or a headphone.
I read Kawai released a new headphone which i will try to negotiate afterwards. Do you know its reference number ?

thanks guys.
I am supposed to place the order before noon today (to get it in 10 days).
Other option would be to wait until May 11th (end of confinement in France), go and try it in a shop (if they have it) and order but i am dying without piano to play ...
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 10:12 AM
Tight timing man! - I play a new ca79 and the keyboard is the same in every way and have arrived from a Yamaha 205 circa 2003. (worn it out)

IMO the weight issue is resolved. much lighter and nearer to live strings. Secondly, It has taken a fair while for me to get used to a completely different sound engine but slowly starting to learn how to handle it. The keys are really well balanced too. Mine has transformed how I play, but I guess any of the new instrument would achieve the same. Here in the UK there is always the package option but IMO did bother so did'nt go for it. I am currently looking for a Ebony finish adjustable bench, independently as the one offered was not as good as it could be and there are greater headsets out there for less money. Result I just got the box and not the toys.

I do hope this helps and feel for you not being able to try but to be honest, having played all the typical culprits i.e. Yam, Casio, 79 and 99, the older 8 and 11. It was a no brainer in the end - smile Andy
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 11:43 AM
Thanks "Killomiter".
I understand from your answer that eventhough you had to adjust your playing, you sound fully happy with your purchase and compared with other products on the market, the new CA79/99 were clearly much better.

I hope you do enjoy playing it everytime and will be the same for me.
I have just ordered it !
Delivery planned in 10 long days ...

Antoine
Posted By: Burkey Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
- I read the ca99 touch (GF3) is somehow "Light" - i don't want to end up with a keyboard too light (such as the Yamaha PSR keyboards)
The one I measured last month ranged from 53g at A0 down to 48g at C8.

For comparison Steinway D and Fazioli keys are usually weighted 50g A0 down to 46g C8.
Posted By: Burkey Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
- I read the ca99 touch (GF3) is somehow "Light" - i don't want to end up with a keyboard too light (such as the Yamaha PSR keyboards)
The one I measured last month ranged from 53g at A0 down to 48g at C8.

For comparison Steinway D and Fazioli keys are usually weighted 50g A0 down to 46g C8 (note this is with pedal pressed / dampers off).
Posted By: Burkey Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Burkie
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
- I read the ca99 touch (GF3) is somehow "Light" - i don't want to end up with a keyboard too light (such as the Yamaha PSR keyboards)
The one I measured last month ranged from 53g at A0 down to 48g at C8.

For comparison Steinway D and Fazioli keys are usually weighted 50g A0 down to 46g C8 (note this is with pedal pressed / dampers off).

The CA99 is light compared with many cheaper digitals, but not lighter than many acoustic grand pianos.
Posted By: johnstaf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 01:36 PM
A piano with the same downweight as another can feel much heavier unless playing softly.
Posted By: Killomiter Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/22/20 02:25 PM
@ Antoine

Best of luck with it too mon Amis - smile
Posted By: kaz32 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/23/20 12:09 AM
Hi everyone,

New member and new proud owner of a CA79.
I've studied piano when I was a wee boy, but it's been quite some time and while I always wanted to come back to it after so many years (it's been 15+ years since I've had a piano and this is actually my first digital), only now I've managed to take the plunge. It's intimidating but I love pretty much everything about this beauty and it's also nice to see that muscle memory kicked in with some old songs I've learned all those years ago.

Anyway, I wanted to ask a question. I just started reading the manual and I see at the Piano Editor - Piano Variation part, there are more sounds mentioned then what I could find on my CA79 (missing are EX Concert Grand New Age, SK-5 Grand Piano Jazz Old School and the Upright Piano Boogie and Honky Tonk). Are these just differences between the models? Are these missing sounds only on the CA99? Asking because the manual has been in the first few pages quite clear about the differences, but couldn't find any mention here.

Many thanks
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/23/20 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by kaz32
Hi everyone,

New member and new proud owner of a CA79.
I've studied piano when I was a wee boy, but it's been quite some time and while I always wanted to come back to it after so many years (it's been 15+ years since I've had a piano and this is actually my first digital), only now I've managed to take the plunge. It's intimidating but I love pretty much everything about this beauty and it's also nice to see that muscle memory kicked in with some old songs I've learned all those years ago.

Anyway, I wanted to ask a question. I just started reading the manual and I see at the Piano Editor - Piano Variation part, there are more sounds mentioned then what I could find on my CA79 (missing are EX Concert Grand New Age, SK-5 Grand Piano Jazz Old School and the Upright Piano Boogie and Honky Tonk). Are these just differences between the models? Are these missing sounds only on the CA99? Asking because the manual has been in the first few pages quite clear about the differences, but couldn't find any mention here.

Many thanks

Congrats on your new piano. I know the CA99 has some additional sounds over the CA79, not sure of the definitive listing though.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/23/20 02:20 AM
Hello kaz32, welcome to the forum and congrats on your new piano!

Originally Posted by kaz32
I see at the Piano Editor - Piano Variation part, there are more sounds mentioned then what I could find on my CA79 (missing are EX Concert Grand New Age, SK-5 Grand Piano Jazz Old School and the Upright Piano Boogie and Honky Tonk). Are these just differences between the models? Are these missing sounds only on the CA99? Asking because the manual has been in the first few pages quite clear about the differences, but couldn't find any mention here.

Yes, those sounds are only available on the CA99.

Please refer to the Sound List on page 79 for a full list:

https://www.kawai-global.com/data/manuals/cax9/CA99_CA79_EN_R101.pdf#page=79

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/23/20 06:42 AM
Hi guys,

I finally finished my move from the U.S. back to my home country, Germany.
It was a disaster with Covid-19, to find a home and furnish as good as it goes BUT

I am now an EXTREMELY happy owner of a Kawai CA79 in PE... oh man this thing is beautiful, looks stunningly foolish real <3
I haven't played for 4 months :S :S - but it was totally worth the wait to have the best of the best now :))))

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Posted By: Solon Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/23/20 08:07 AM
Hi
I am only used to acoustic pianos and have long been thinking of getting a dp. The CA79 is maybe the best candidate presently for me. Haven´t tested it and I think I will wait a bit longer until the virusstorm hopefully has decreased a bit.
I would be glad if you who already have had it (or the CA99) for a while have found out how the saving of various settings work and could describe it a bit, the manual is extremely brief on that (the manual for CA78/98 is almost twice as long as the manual for CA79/99. I hope tha manual will be expanded so it is complete).

Which settings can you save and which can you not save? Is e.g. the selected piano included? I think I read above somewhere that if a saved setting is retrieved/selected and then a piano is selected, the selected setting is not applied to the piano, and the pianos default settings will override it.
So some insights in how this work would be very welcome.
Kawai James is of course also welcome to clarify this.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/23/20 09:15 AM
Hello Solon,

Originally Posted by Solon
Which settings can you save and which can you not save? Is e.g. the selected piano included? I think I read above somewhere that if a saved setting is retrieved/selected and then a piano is selected, the selected setting is not applied to the piano, and the pianos default settings will override it.
So some insights in how this work would be very welcome.
Kawai James is of course also welcome to clarify this.


I believe more or less all settings can be stored. However, adjustments to sounds are not stored to the sound itself, but to a new "User sound".

The CA99/CA79 also has three different "Startup Setting" modes (explained in the owner's manual, albeit briefly), which influence how settings are recalled when the instrument is turned off.

If possible, I would recommend that you download and install the PianoRemote app onto your smartphone - this will provide a pretty good idea of how the User sounds are stored.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Otavio Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/23/20 04:16 PM
James, do you know if Ca79/99 will be launched in Brazil ?
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/23/20 09:22 PM
So finally after a long waiting time my dealer here in Tyrol / Austria confirmed: Tomorrow I will receive my ordered CA99 EP :-) :-) :-).

Can't wait anymore.... hope it was worth waiting ;-).

Galuwen

List of KAWAIS I owned: CA 93, 95, 97,98 :-).
Posted By: Solon Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 07:19 AM
Thank you James for the answer.

I downloaded the app and it gives a somewhat clearer picture of the functionality. And I understand you can´t have all details of all instruments in your head, I couldn´t. But I wish Kawai had documented this in detail, it´s important. They could have selected some common and important use cases, like you do in software development, and written the piano UI, the app and also the documentation from those use cases.

The touch and tone of the piano are of course the most important decision factors for buying but for me the settings and how it works is also an important factor.

But I guess I´ll have to figure it out for myself or hope the piano salesperson has done that. But that will have to wait a while due to the pandemic situation. And after all this is first world problems...
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 07:35 AM
Hello Octavio,

Originally Posted by Otavio
James, do you know if Ca79/99 will be launched in Brazil ?

Please contact Kawai's Brazil distributor to confirm availability:

Quote
PIANOFATURA PAULISTA LTDA.
Av. Raimundo Pereira de Magalhaes, 5028 - CEP 02938-000, Sao Paulo - SP Brazil
Tel: +55-11-3974-9111
URL: http://www.fritzdobbert.com.br/

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 07:38 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
So finally after a long waiting time my dealer here in Tyrol / Austria confirmed: Tomorrow I will receive my ordered CA99 EP :-) :-) :-).

Good to hear - I shall look forward to seeing the pictures!

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 07:39 AM
Hello Solon,

I believe the CA99/CA79 touchpanel operation should become more familiar to you after using the PianoRemote app for a little while.

If you have any specific use cases that you would like me to check with the development team, please let me know.

Kind regard,
James
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Posted By: Solon Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 09:28 AM
Thank you James, this is what what I am most interested in right now:

1.
I choose a piano and make selected modifications with virtual technichian and all the other possible settings that affect the sound and when I am satisfied with the sound I want to save this (included the selected piano) and give it a name, in User Sounds I guess.

And maybe I then want to repeat the process with the same piano or another and make other virtual technichian changes etc. and then save under another name.
Is this possible? If is not possible to include a piano in a User sounds setting, how do I do when I want to use a saved collection of sound modifications?

2.
Can I retrieve a saved setting, see what it contains (instrument, VT modifications and other) make changes to it and update it?

3.
Are there any VT- or other sound modification possibilities that are not possible to save?

Sorry if all this is too picky or something.


Best regards
Solon
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 10:40 AM
Hello Solon,

I am working from home, so do not currently have access to a CA99/CA79 at the moment, however to answer your queries:

Originally Posted by Solon
1.
I choose a piano and make selected modifications with virtual technichian and all the other possible settings that affect the sound and when I am satisfied with the sound I want to save this (included the selected piano) and give it a name, in User Sounds I guess.

Yes, no problem.

Originally Posted by Solon
And maybe I then want to repeat the process with the same piano or another and make other virtual technichian changes etc. and then save under another name.
Is this possible?

Yes, this should be possible. I checked this using the PianoRemote app on my phone (the built-in touchpanel uses the same interface) and am able to select the piano model, adjust Virtual Technician settings, then save this as User sound with a specified name. If I then go to the "Sound" tab (the "User" category should be pre-selected), then open the editor window, I can re-adjust the parameters, then save as another User sound with another specified name. If I save the User sound with the same name, another User sound is created with that name.

Originally Posted by Solon
2.
Can I retrieve a saved setting, see what it contains (instrument, VT modifications and other) make changes to it and update it?

Yes, via the "Sound" tab, as mentioned above.

Originally Posted by Solon
3.
Are there any VT- or other sound modification possibilities that are not possible to save?

I don't believe so. I think all of the settings in the editor window can be saved.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Solon Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 12:38 PM
Thank you for quick answer.

This makes the instrument more interesting to me.
Remains only to test touch and sound and some other things.

/Solon
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 02:15 PM
Just out of interest, why isn’t there a capital letter option on the touch panel when saving various settings?
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
Just out of interest, why isn’t there a capital letter option on the touch panel when saving various settings?

In addition, you can't delete the user sounds that you saved. At least, I haven't figured out a way to do so.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Originally Posted by Amy H
Just out of interest, why isn’t there a capital letter option on the touch panel when saving various settings?

In addition, you can't delete the user sounds that you saved. At least, I haven't figured out a way to do so.

Haven’t tried that yet! I mean, it can’t be hard to put a little menu with some extra things, right? laugh
Posted By: kaz32 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by evolution42
Congrats on your new piano. I know the CA99 has some additional sounds over the CA79, not sure of the definitive listing though.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello kaz32, welcome to the forum and congrats on your new piano!

Yes, those sounds are only available on the CA99.

Please refer to the Sound List on page 79 for a full list:

https://www.kawai-global.com/data/manuals/cax9/CA99_CA79_EN_R101.pdf#page=79

Kind regards,
James
x

Many thanks!
Posted By: Otavio Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Octavio,

Originally Posted by Otavio
James, do you know if Ca79/99 will be launched in Brazil ?

Please contact Kawai's Brazil distributor to confirm availability:

Quote
PIANOFATURA PAULISTA LTDA.
Av. Raimundo Pereira de Magalhaes, 5028 - CEP 02938-000, Sao Paulo - SP Brazil
Tel: +55-11-3974-9111
URL: http://www.fritzdobbert.com.br/

Kind regards,
James
x

Sadly, ´they will not bring Ca 79/99
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 10:30 PM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Originally Posted by Amy H
Just out of interest, why isn’t there a capital letter option on the touch panel when saving various settings?

In addition, you can't delete the user sounds that you saved. At least, I haven't figured out a way to do so.

I have previously raised the capital letter issue with Kawai James who has forwarded this on to the development team.

You can delete all user sounds in the User Data menu but I agree there should be an option to delete individual sounds (e.g. long press brings up a submenu to delete the individual sound)
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/24/20 11:03 PM
I just purchased the Kawai CA79!

Thanks to Kawai James and all the other Kawai fans for their feedback and advice. I plan to use this piano for silent practice. I did own the P515 for 43 days (45 day limit to return) but I hated the speaker sound and even the headphone sound was not that great. The NWX keyboard was alright. Price was right but piano was not. So I retuned it and started searching for the next silent practice piano.

I was considering waiting for the new CLP700 series, but I can imagine that the new CLP745 will be any better than the CA79. Based on price it was the CLP745 (CLP645) vs Kawai CA79. Note, I hated the CLP685 GrandTouch keyboard too, so CLP785 (CLP685) was out based on keyboard and price.

So now I'm a proud owner of a Yamaha and Kawai!

Cheers everyone.
Posted By: BastiaanB Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 01:03 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
I believe the CA99/CA79 touchpanel operation should become more familiar to you after using the PianoRemote app for a little while.
It is funny that the PianoRemote app looks to me more than a remote version of the CA79/CA99's display. When connected the PianoRemote app apparently becomes the real controller of the piano, and the display won't do anything role besides displaying the message that a control app is connected.
All instruments and music played while using the connected PianoRemote app, won't be in the 'recently played' lists of the display. And vice versa all sounds and music played while using the display, won't be in 'recently played' lists in the PianoRemote app after you connect it to the CA79/CA99.
Posted By: Damien PG Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 02:52 AM
I have the Kawai CA79. My son just did the updates for me this evening. I have not had the CA79 long, and I am just a beginner piano student, but it sure seems to me that the updates make the CA79 sound better. Does anyone else share that opinion? Thanks.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 05:17 AM
Originally Posted by evolution42
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Originally Posted by Amy H
Just out of interest, why isn’t there a capital letter option on the touch panel when saving various settings?

In addition, you can't delete the user sounds that you saved. At least, I haven't figured out a way to do so.

I have previously raised the capital letter issue with Kawai James who has forwarded this on to the development team.

You can delete all user sounds in the User Data menu but I agree there should be an option to delete individual sounds (e.g. long press brings up a submenu to delete the individual sound)

I would vote for that too :-).

Galuwen
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 05:37 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Originally Posted by evolution42
Originally Posted by richdinoso
[quote=Amy H]Just out of interest, why isn’t there a capital letter option on the touch panel when saving various settings?

In addition, you can't delete the user sounds that you saved. At least, I haven't figured out a way to do so.

I have previously raised the capital letter issue with Kawai James who has forwarded this on to the development team.

You can delete all user sounds in the User Data menu but I agree there should be an option to delete individual sounds (e.g. long press brings up a submenu to delete the individual sound)

I would vote for that too :-).

And: Please Kawai drill 2 more holes in your Pianos: The "pre-drilled" mini holes to attach the headphones support are to mini. As due to Covid19 my Piano Movers quickly look for escape ;-) I had to attach it and even with BoschPro utility it hardly broke my heart who much force one have to apply. It did the job and it fits but it is "breath taking" :-) to power force to screws into your brand new high high high high end digital Piano. Or produce it from metal and mount it ex works.

Galuwen

P.S.: Grand Master Karasek from OKEY! Magazine gave the CA99 a "best digital instrument ever made by KAWAI" and the Grand Geel III "simply the best action available on the market of digital instruments"....GRATULATION. Today I will power it one for the first time...

P.P.S.: What I can tell: It is BEAUTIBEAUTIBEAUTIFUL in EP ;-).
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 05:50 AM
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 06:58 AM
o.O even before first playing...GFIII is defective ... several black keys the Surface is delaminated (makes loud plastic sound when touched).

Instrument will be returned on Monday :-(.

Same disaster as with GFI and GFII.

Kawai NEVER NEVER again.

Galuwen is really really upset
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 07:39 AM
Hi owners out there ...

Could you do me a little favour PLEASE:

Could you light tip on the surface of your black keys and listen if you find black keys that sound "hollow" and make a nasty plasticky klicking sound.

You can here the klicking sound also easily when playing pp.

Just want to verify before I contact my dealer on Monday.

Thx Galuwen
Posted By: Solon Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 07:52 AM
I have not seen the CA79 but "played" with the app for a while and also read what others have written about it and agree in most or all of the criticism. I think the app is not ready and should not have been released in it´s present state. And I guess the UI on the piano is more or less identical.

A few examples:

When you scroll up and down in the virtual technichian it is very easy to inadvertently change the settings.

When you save a "User sound" for the first time there is no check that there isn´t already a user sound with the same name so you can have several different user sounds with the same name. This shouldn´t be possible.

If you select an existing user sound, edit it and then save you have to enter a name for it. If that name already exists you get no warning and if you continue there will be at least two with the same name. The name it was previously saved under could be automatically shown in the name field and if you continue to save you should get a question whether you want to overwrite the previous settings or if you want to give it another name.

If you want to delete a user sound you can not do that unless you delete all user sounds. It should of course be possible to delete individual user sounds.

I saved a user sound to Favorites and "played" it. I could see it under the blue User field and also under the yellow Favorites and green "Recently played" field. Then I deleted my saved user sound (and of course all user sounds disappeared) and the blue menu at the top disappeared, which is OK. Still, my "deleted" user sound was visible under "Recently played" and "Favorites". Well...



I am disappointed that Kawai with all it´s resources releases an app in this state. If these obvious things are so sloppy designed, one wonders what else, less obvious, is of the same quality? And if the UI on the piano has the same design flaws I am still more disappointed. If I had been responsible I would have been ashamed. If Kawai can not fix this quickly by itself I am sure there is an abundance of brilliant engineers in Japan and elsewhere that would gladly help.

I will never buy a piano with these errors and possibly other less obvious flaws. On the other hand, if Kawai fix things like the above described and possibly other flaws, I probably would buy it, just have to test it first. From what I have read and seen and heard on Youtube and elsewhere, it seems to me it is a high quality instrument for it´s price and compared to it´s competitors.

If it is not fixed I will carry on with my old acoustic and wait for the successor to NV10.

/Solon
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 08:26 AM
@Solon - the original CA67/97 software was error-ridden. With the CA78/98 they seem to have merely added a GUI on top of it and from what you say they have continued with that with the latest CA79/99 pianos. It will be interesting to see how long the new key action lasts. I presume that it has been tested over so many hours of simulated play. Perhaps Kawai James might be able to say how many?
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 08:30 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Hi owners out there ...

Could you do me a little favour PLEASE:

Could you light tip on the surface of your black keys and listen if you find black keys that sound "hollow" and make a nasty plasticky klicking sound.

You can here the klicking sound also easily when playing pp.

Just want to verify before I contact my dealer on Monday.

Thx Galuwen

My CA79 has the sound you describe, but only if it hasn't been played for a while (e.g. overnight) and only for approximately 2-4 of the black keys. Once these keys have been played, the sound does not repeat until a very long time (e.g. the next day). It is a flaw but it's not enough of an issue to bother me as I predominantly use headphones anyway.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 08:31 AM
Originally Posted by evolution42
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Hi owners out there ...

Could you do me a little favour PLEASE:

Could you light tip on the surface of your black keys and listen if you find black keys that sound "hollow" and make a nasty plasticky klicking sound.

You can here the klicking sound also easily when playing pp.

Just want to verify before I contact my dealer on Monday.

Thx Galuwen

My CA79 has the sound you describe, but only if it hasn't been played for a while (e.g. overnight) and only for approximately 2-4 of the black keys. Once these keys have been played, the sound does not repeat until a very long time (e.g. the next day). It is a flaw but it's not enough of an issue to bother me as I predominantly use headphones anyway.

Ah Ok thx a lot ...

Galuwen
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 08:36 AM
Agree @Solon that the user interface needs attention.

I like having the screen on the Piano tab where you can see the picture of the SK-EX Concert Grand whilst I'm playing. However as far as I'm aware, there is no way to restore a user sound from the Sound tab and subsequently go back into the Piano tab without the sound reverting to default settings (i.e. Classic variation with Natural ambience). It means i have to manually change all my variation, virtual technician and ambience settings manually in the Piano tab each time I play.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 10:54 AM
Could you record this key noise issue and post it here?
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by Solon
I have not seen the CA79 but "played" with the app for a while and also read what others have written about it and agree in most or all of the criticism. I think the app is not ready and should not have been released in it´s present state. And I guess the UI on the piano is more or less identical.

A few examples:

When you scroll up and down in the virtual technichian it is very easy to inadvertently change the settings.

When you save a "User sound" for the first time there is no check that there isn´t already a user sound with the same name so you can have several different user sounds with the same name. This shouldn´t be possible.

If you select an existing user sound, edit it and then save you have to enter a name for it. If that name already exists you get no warning and if you continue there will be at least two with the same name. The name it was previously saved under could be automatically shown in the name field and if you continue to save you should get a question whether you want to overwrite the previous settings or if you want to give it another name.

If you want to delete a user sound you can not do that unless you delete all user sounds. It should of course be possible to delete individual user sounds.

I saved a user sound to Favorites and "played" it. I could see it under the blue User field and also under the yellow Favorites and green "Recently played" field. Then I deleted my saved user sound (and of course all user sounds disappeared) and the blue menu at the top disappeared, which is OK. Still, my "deleted" user sound was visible under "Recently played" and "Favorites". Well...

I am disappointed that Kawai with all it´s resources releases an app in this state. If these obvious things are so sloppy designed, one wonders what else, less obvious, is of the same quality? And if the UI on the piano has the same design flaws I am still more disappointed. If I had been responsible I would have been ashamed. If Kawai can not fix this quickly by itself I am sure there is an abundance of brilliant engineers in Japan and elsewhere that would gladly help.

I will never buy a piano with these errors and possibly other less obvious flaws. On the other hand, if Kawai fix things like the above described and possibly other flaws, I probably would buy it, just have to test it first. From what I have read and seen and heard on Youtube and elsewhere, it seems to me it is a high quality instrument for it´s price and compared to it´s competitors.

If it is not fixed I will carry on with my old acoustic and wait for the successor to NV10.

/Solon
I have to agree with you on all of your points and there are a lot more flaws in the software.

To my knowledge there are two independent processors in the DP: one for the sound engine and one for the user interface. I hope that the flaws are only in the UI part and the part that controls the sound is better.

While the software is indeed one of the worst I saw in several years, the CA79/CA99 is still one of the best DPs in the market (in my opinion and it seems to be shared by others).

I am glad that I spend more time on the 88-key UI than on the touch screen.

-- M
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Could you record this key noise issue and post it here?

So I tried my best to record it exactly as I hear it during playing. You can hear it very good on the last notes of the Sound file (on the deep Fis) that there is a plasticky clicking noise when touching the black key:

Kawai CA 99 Keynoise

Galuwen
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Could you record this key noise issue and post it here?

So I tried my best to record it exactly as I hear it during playing. You can hear it very good on the last notes of the Sound file (on the deep Fis) that there is a plasticky clicking noise when touching the black key:

Kawai CA 99 Keynoise

Galuwen

Thank you, I wonder why is this happening, did you contact technician?
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Could you record this key noise issue and post it here?

So I tried my best to record it exactly as I hear it during playing. You can hear it very good on the last notes of the Sound file (on the deep Fis) that there is a plasticky clicking noise when touching the black key:

Kawai CA 99 Keynoise

Galuwen

Thank you, I wonder why is this happening, did you contact technician?


Got my piano friday....not yet.

Dont know what to do...

Galuwen
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 05:16 PM
I know how frustrating this must be, but I recommend just get it repaired by a technician. I know it is a new piano but it seems like the fix is easy enough.

Of course during the pandemic it might not be a good time to have a technician come out.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by RobertInFlorida
I know how frustrating this must be, but I recommend just get it repaired by a technician. I know it is a new piano but it seems like the fix is easy enough.

Of course during the pandemic it might not be a good time to have a technician come out.

Thx a lot for the reply. In the past so far KAWAI always solved my problems. Just reminds me on the old days of first generation GF and GF II keyboards. And as they advertised they overworked it to improve reliability I was full of hope :-(.

But I am sure they will fix it....Maybe it's just a little thing...

Galuwen
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 07:20 PM
It's very disturbing that not only you have this problem, so this might be factory issue. Please keep us posted how it goes. I wonder if you can get technician to come during pandemic.
Posted By: Dennyzz Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 07:36 PM
Hi guys, How can I use VST? I connect the Kawai to PC with the USB cable, start Reaper with input and output set to "kawai MIDI USB" but it doesen't works! I have to set something else? Thank you
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
It's very disturbing that not only you have this problem, so this might be factory issue. Please keep us posted how it goes. I wonder if you can get technician to come during pandemic.

Really positive thing is, that beside this stupid issue the new CA99 is an UNBELIEVABLE PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY :-).

Couldn't believe that such a huge step from the CA98 is technically possible.

The sound quality of the new SK EK engine is a quantum leap to the CA98.

Also the new touch system is an improvement. And I love the APP.

Hope my black keys can easily be fixed.

I also really love the feel and the playability of the NEW GF III.

The CA99 for me is BY FAR the most advanced digital piano on the market.

Galuwen
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/25/20 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
The sound quality of the new SK EK engine is a quantum leap to the CA98.

Didn't expect that. Noone said those words before you I think so now you got my attention since I consider CA98 pianist engine very, very good. If you will get your keys fixed I think I will get CA99 this year.
Posted By: chopinliszt27 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 12:51 AM
Just got my beautiful new Kawai CA79. Liszt approves:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2971566/kawai-ca79-rosewood.html#Post2971566
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 06:17 AM
Originally Posted by chopinliszt27
What about Chopin? wink
Posted By: David Izquierdo Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 12:12 PM
Hi all,

I wonder whether the CA99/79 does render MIDI files from a USB stick into an MP3/WAV, unlike my CA97 that it only reads MIDI but cannot render (convert) them.

Also, when my CA97 reads MIDI files, it does it only with the SK-EX patch without any reverb effect.. and I don't seem to find the way to make it read MIDI in other patches and with the selected reverb...

Is it the same case with the CA99/79?

Thanks,
David
Posted By: JackFi Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 12:37 PM
Have any of you compared the new Kawai CA with Casio GP-510. It seems that the Kawai dealer has closed permanently in my city because of Coronavirus. Is the action as good on both? There is a reputable dealer nearby which sells Yamaha, Casio and Roland.
Posted By: AlbertoBarcelona Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 01:46 PM
Dear friends,
Yesterday i received my new Kawai ca99 in white color.
Here are my first thoughts and honest review from first hours of a begginer

- The action is very good, my first impression was that it was very soft, i come from a Roland f130, wich i thougth it was soft but this seemed softer at first glance. After playing for a while i,m getting used to it and enjoy the feeling, its very pleasant to play and allows me more expression. I used to play as a child an acoustic piano and also different yamaha,s wich i remembered heavier. I was also considering buying yamaha 695gp wich is quite different, but near twice the price and maybe soon replaced, finally after analisys and based on the good reviews, sound sample, action, size and price i decided for kawai option, hope not to regret about my purchase smile

-Sound, my first impression through the speakers seemed to me little artificial in most all the piano sounds, maybe is because i,m not used to a grand piano sound coming from a digital piano. With headphones the thing changed a bit, and the most i,m playing i,m enjoying more. The roland sound was very natural for me and i supose it,s a thing of my ear getting used. I purchased some good pair of headphones (audio technica mbx50) but surprisingly ,t liked the sound out of them, my 50 eur marshall sounded better for me, but are not ideal and will continue seeking for headphones.

-Aesthetics and others. As opposite to others i like the touch screen and simplicity of menus and options, i updated firmware and everything was ok
I dont like the grey speakers difusers, by photos i thought they will be white or clearer gray. They would be better in the same color of the piano(white). Also hope my cats don,t realise about them because they can be scratched very easy.

I did get a free bench wich is very good quality.

I didn,t get a headphones hook in the package, its very extrange, can anyone tell me if its an optional thing?

Here is a photo of my new baby and sound test with concert sk grand from yesterday (sorry for the faults I,m still learning the song)[Linked Image]




Hope to learn a lot in this forum
Best luck for all wink
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 06:25 PM
I'm wondering if someone can confirm this,
If I was to be more keen on the ebony finish but didn't like the silver pedals, would it void the warranty to paint them gold? By that I mean would kawai still come and fix it if it developed mechanical fault?
Thanks
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 08:35 PM
Do you have experience painting metals?
Do you want to disassemble a new piano to get at the pedals for painting?

Do you know what metals are layered on those pedals?
Do you know of a paint that will bond properly to that?
Do you know which paint can hold up under repeated pedaling?
If not you're likely to create a unsightly mess ... worse than the silver pedals you see before you.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Do you have experience painting metals?
Do you want to disassemble a new piano to get at the pedals for painting?

Do you know what metals are layered on those pedals?
Do you know of a paint that will bond properly to that?
Do you know which paint can hold up under repeated pedaling?
If not you're likely to create a unsightly mess ... worse than the silver pedals you see before you.

Better speak with kawai if they can change them as spare parts from a rosewood version...
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Better speak with kawai if they can change them as spare parts from a rosewood version...
+1
I don't see why not. Shouldn't be much of a problem.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/26/20 11:42 PM
The shop that I buy from will not present that as an option, so I should ask piano salesman if he can offer it in gold, then he gets in contact with kawai who will build me a bespoke piano? I don't see it...
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 04:58 AM
Enjoying my CA79 smile Audio was taken directly from the piano using the recorder function.

Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 07:41 AM
@ evolution42
Congratulations and thank you so much ! A great video from a great pianist is much better than pages of comments !!!
I can see on the video that you seem to really have pleasure playing this piano and as a classical (and jazz) player myself, that reassures me that even for classical players, this piano with its touch and tone can give pleasure.
I should receive mine in the next few days ... can't wait to try it.
I have read so many things on it without being able to try it (due to confinement in France), i was afraid the keys would be too light (coming from a Yamaha P-120S used for 15 years).
Thanks again and enjoy playing your piano !
Antoine
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 08:21 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Could you record this key noise issue and post it here?

So I tried my best to record it exactly as I hear it during playing. You can hear it very good on the last notes of the Sound file (on the deep Fis) that there is a plasticky clicking noise when touching the black key

It's a little difficult to tell what is causing this sound. Can you send me video, please?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Tibobik Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 09:23 AM
Thank you all for your answers: this plus latest live test from evolution42 finished convincing me.

CA79 ordered today!

Tibobik.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 09:40 AM
Hello Alberto,

Thank you for posting the picture of your new CA99W, and for the nice video.

Originally Posted by AlbertoBarcelona
I didn,t get a headphones hook in the package, its very extrange, can anyone tell me if its an optional thing?

I've just replied to your PM regarding this point, however the headphone hook should definitely be included - please double-check the shipping box and packaging materials. Did you also receive the printed owner's manuals?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 09:42 AM
Hello Solon,

Thank you for your feedback/suggestion regarding the app.

I have posted some of these points to the development team's issue tracker.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 09:45 AM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
If I was to be more keen on the ebony finish but didn't like the silver pedals, would it void the warranty to paint them gold? By that I mean would kawai still come and fix it if it developed mechanical fault?

I believe you would have to confirm this with the Kawai dealer and/or distributor in your country.

Personally, I would not recommend attempting to paint the pedals in this way.
Even if you were successful, the other metal parts would still be silver, resulting in a strange mix of colours.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by evolution42
Enjoying my CA79 smile Audio was taken directly from the piano using the recorder function.

Wow, thanks for sharing - very nicely played!
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 01:10 PM
I've noticed a very rough looking woodgrain texture on the black keys, can anyone comment on what that feels like, i.e is it "dry to the touch" It's advertised as ebony feel?
I prefer black keys to have a more smooth finish and feel this would put me off altogether.
Thanks
Posted By: KevinM Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by evolution42
Enjoying my CA79 smile Audio was taken directly from the piano using the recorder function.

Wow, thanks for sharing - very nicely played!

+1 on that, the piano sounds fantastic as well. You do it justice.

Clearly it has been too long since I lived in Sydney as I could discern no clue from your video whereabouts you are. I was a taxi driver in Sydney many years ago while a student at University so I did get a feel for a large part of the city, but it has changed so much since then.
Posted By: 9190 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
I've noticed a very rough looking woodgrain texture on the black keys, can anyone comment on what that feels like, i.e is it "dry to the touch" It's advertised as ebony feel?
I prefer black keys to have a more smooth finish and feel this would put me off altogether.

This was discussed earlier in the forum. For example:
Originally Posted by propianist
the Grand Feel 2 keys with their nasty 3D grooved black key surface textures that feel so unnatural and weird.
From this message

Originally Posted by ando
The key surfaces are totally exaggerated now, relative to acoustic pianos on the market. I can say with great certainty that there isn't a single acoustic piano on the market today with the level of key texturing that Kawai is using nowadays.
From this message

I also don't like all these overly exaggerated keyboard textures, all these ridiculous imitations of ancient instruments and agree with the guys quoted above.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 03:10 PM
Yes, I noticed this the last time I visited my local Kawai shop.
And I, too, don't like it.
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
I've noticed a very rough looking woodgrain texture on the black keys, can anyone comment on what that feels like, i.e is it "dry to the touch" It's advertised as ebony feel?
I prefer black keys to have a more smooth finish and feel this would put me off altogether.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by evolution42
Enjoying my CA79 smile Audio was taken directly from the piano using the recorder function.

Nice playing, thank you for sharing, best demo of new pianos smile
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Could you record this key noise issue and post it here?

So I tried my best to record it exactly as I hear it during playing. You can hear it very good on the last notes of the Sound file (on the deep Fis) that there is a plasticky clicking noise when touching the black key

It's a little difficult to tell what is causing this sound. Can you send me video, please?

Kind regards,
James
x

Hi James,

I did my best to record it as good as possible. Hope the Video helps:



Galuwen
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
I did my best to record it as good as possible. Hope the Video helps:

I can hear it very clearly in the video. Sounds like something at the keystick/action interface, since it happens even if you barely tap the key?
Posted By: evolution42 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/27/20 11:49 PM
Interesting video @Galuwen. The black key clicking on mine is certainly not as bad as your video... I hope your dealer can rectify the situation
Posted By: Rich Galassini Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/28/20 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Hi James,

I did my best to record it as good as possible. Hope the Video helps:



Galuwen

Dear Galuwen,

Don't worry. There is no extra charge for that feature. wink

Just kidding. I am sure this can be taken care of easily.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/28/20 02:04 AM
Hello Galuwen,

Thank you for uploading the video. This should definitely be reported to your dealer and/or Kawai Europe.
I will also send feedback to the keyboard development team.

I'm confident that it's a relatively simple fix.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/28/20 04:26 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Galuwen,

Thank you for uploading the video. This should definitely be reported to your dealer and/or Kawai Europe.
I will also send feedback to the keyboard development team.

I'm confident that it's a relatively simple fix.

Kind regards,
James
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Hello James,

thanks for the feedback. My dealer is informed and we are trying to find short term possibility to service my CA99 by a service technician. I keep everybody updated...

Galuwen
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/28/20 04:28 AM
Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Hi James,

I did my best to record it as good as possible. Hope the Video helps:



Galuwen

Dear Galuwen,

Don't worry. There is no extra charge for that feature. wink

Just kidding. I am sure this can be taken care of easily.

Hammond would definitely charge for that "feature" :-) :-) :-).

Galu
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/29/20 04:59 AM
My CA99 has a single note (E flat) that is really loud, as in like drilling my head. It's only loud on speaker, and it sounds normal on headphones. I read in another post that this could be the acoustics of the room, but I find that hard to believe. I have moved the piano about 6 inches away from the wall, and there was no change.

Any suggestions? Is there a setting that can affect this?
Posted By: Schuberto Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/29/20 07:35 AM
I am since this Monday a proud owner of CA-79 in polished ebony finish (in Switzerland). So far I am very happy with the keys and the sound. I owned a CA-97 before and I must say that key feel and sound is a huge improvement in comparison to me.
Posted By: Marcel M Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/29/20 07:42 AM
Quote
My CA99 has a single note (E flat) that is really loud, as in like drilling my head. It's only loud on speaker, and it sounds normal on headphones. I read in another post that this could be the acoustics of the room, but I find that hard to believe. I have moved the piano about 6 inches away from the wall, and there was no change.

Any suggestions? Is there a setting that can affect this?

I had similar issue. Some higher keys volume was too loud on my headphones (the cause are the headphones, not the piano), and I was able to lower down volume of certain keys with IPAD app. It is CA48 model though.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/29/20 08:25 AM
Hello richdinoso,

Originally Posted by richdinoso
My CA99 has a single note (E flat) that is really loud, as in like drilling my head. It's only loud on speaker, and it sounds normal on headphones. I read in another post that this could be the acoustics of the room, but I find that hard to believe. I have moved the piano about 6 inches away from the wall, and there was no change.

Any suggestions? Is there a setting that can affect this?

May I ask if you hear this loud Eb when using different piano (or other instrument) sounds?

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/29/20 05:08 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello richdinoso,

Originally Posted by richdinoso
My CA99 has a single note (E flat) that is really loud, as in like drilling my head. It's only loud on speaker, and it sounds normal on headphones. I read in another post that this could be the acoustics of the room, but I find that hard to believe. I have moved the piano about 6 inches away from the wall, and there was no change.

Any suggestions? Is there a setting that can affect this?

May I ask if you hear this loud Eb when using different piano (or other instrument) sounds?

Kind regards,
James
x

James,

I hear the loud note with different piano sounds (SK-EX, EX, upright). I have not tried it with strings, harpsichord, and other instruments. I will try later and let you know.
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/30/20 02:40 AM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello richdinoso,

Originally Posted by richdinoso
My CA99 has a single note (E flat) that is really loud, as in like drilling my head. It's only loud on speaker, and it sounds normal on headphones. I read in another post that this could be the acoustics of the room, but I find that hard to believe. I have moved the piano about 6 inches away from the wall, and there was no change.

Any suggestions? Is there a setting that can affect this?

May I ask if you hear this loud Eb when using different piano (or other instrument) sounds?

Kind regards,
James
x

James,

I hear the loud note with different piano sounds (SK-EX, EX, upright). I have not tried it with strings, harpsichord, and other instruments. I will try later and let you know.

I hear the loud note with other instruments as well. But it is not as pronounced in some instruments like slow strings for example.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/30/20 02:56 AM
Hello richdinoso,

Thank you for your replies.

Originally Posted by richdinoso
James,

I hear the loud note with different piano sounds (SK-EX, EX, upright). I have not tried it with strings, harpsichord, and other instruments. I will try later and let you know.

In which case, it's probably a not an issue with the sounds/samples themselves. I wonder if there is perhaps a loose screw inside the piano, or possibly even an object in the room that resonates when that particular Eb is pressed?

If you have note done so already, please contact your Kawai dealer and or Kawai distributor (Kawai America?) for further assistance.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/30/20 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello richdinoso,

Thank you for your replies.

Originally Posted by richdinoso
James,

I hear the loud note with different piano sounds (SK-EX, EX, upright). I have not tried it with strings, harpsichord, and other instruments. I will try later and let you know.

In which case, it's probably a not an issue with the sounds/samples themselves. I wonder if there is perhaps a loose screw inside the piano, or possibly even an object in the room that resonates when that particular Eb is pressed?

If you have note done so already, please contact your Kawai dealer and or Kawai distributor (Kawai America?) for further assistance.

Kind regards,
James
x

James,

Thank you for the feedback. I moved the piano far away from the wall, more than 1 foot. And that seems to fix the problem. If I turn up the volume very high, then that one note becomes obnoxious again. So I think it's the wall that's amplifying the sound. Can you recommend something to stop the wall from resonating? Would a towel on the wall near the soundboard work? Are there acoustic damping materials that could help this issue because my room is small and I want the piano close to the wall.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 04/30/20 02:46 PM
Search for "sound absorbing panels". There are many available.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/02/20 07:22 AM
Just wanted to update you: One full week wasted already: No call back of Kawai Service.

Galuwen
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/03/20 09:17 PM
The weight of CA99:
83 Kg (183 1/3 lbs.)
89 Kg (196 lbs.) [Ebony Polish]
So the difference is 6 Kg.

I wonder, does this weight difference affect the sound quality, and also the vibration feedback to the pianist?
Which one sounds better? The heavier one?
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/03/20 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
The weight of CA99:
83 Kg (183 1/3 lbs.)
89 Kg (196 lbs.) [Ebony Polish]
So the difference is 6 Kg.

I wonder, does this weight difference affect the sound quality, and also the vibration feedback to the pianist?
Which one sounds better? The heavier one?

As I am owning the EP version I can say that the vibration Feedback of the soundboard is outstanding and works :-). Also the sound quality is marvellous :-).

No complain and the smell and look of brand new piano shellac is just heavenly....

Galuwen
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/04/20 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
As I am owning the EP version I can say that the vibration Feedback of the soundboard is outstanding and works :-). Also the sound quality is marvellous :-).

No complain and the smell and look of brand new piano shellac is just heavenly....

Galuwen

I found no comments anywhere about a side-by-side comparison of sound.
Anyway, I want EP too.
My local store says: Satin black - available. EP - they hope to get it in June.
I am inclined to wait.

BTW, what about the per-key adjustments of volume and voicing?
Still not in the manual, but are they available in reality or not yet?

The volume adjustment might be important, I already had issues with bad velocities on my two current digital pianos. I even wrote a special midi filter to run through my PC in order to correct velocities of some keys.
I don't want to have to use it on CA99 as well.

Come to think of it, a per-key adjustment of velocity curves would be great too. Just for such cases of problematic keys.
Basically, the piano (or an external software midi filter) then would need to support custom velocity curves for each of 88 keys separately.

Although even that is not enough if velocity of a key jumps suddenly from very low to very high, missing all the middle range, as in my case.
In my filter, I use the averaged velocity values of other keys from the nearby range, played together with the problematic key, or just before, or even just after (while the delay is still too small to notice).
That does not allow that single problematic key to stand out badly. It has the same velocity as the rest of the musical phrase, or as the rest of the chord.
I hope I will never have to do such equilibristics with CA99 smile
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/04/20 05:34 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
The volume adjustment might be important, I already had issues with bad velocities on my two current digital pianos. I even wrote a special midi filter to run through my PC in order to correct velocities of some keys.
I don't want to have to use it on CA99 as well.

Come to think of it, a per-key adjustment of velocity curves would be great too. Just for such cases of problematic keys.
Basically, the piano (or an external software midi filter) then would need to support custom velocity curves for each of 88 keys separately.

Although even that is not enough if velocity of a key jumps suddenly from very low to very high, missing all the middle range, as in my case.
In my filter, I use the averaged velocity values of other keys from the nearby range, played together with the problematic key, or just before, or even just after (while the delay is still too small to notice).
That does not allow that single problematic key to stand out badly. It has the same velocity as the rest of the musical phrase, or as the rest of the chord.
I hope I will never have to do such equilibristics with CA99 smile

Dude what the heck. Sounds like you had lots of problems with your pianos. What pianos/piano do you currently own? Why didn't you fix it/them on warranty? Also Kawai James already said that per note volume adjustments will be avaible in future update. Not avaible yet afaik.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/04/20 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Dude what the heck. Sounds like you had lots of problems with your pianos. What pianos/piano do you currently own? Why didn't you fix it/them on warranty? Also Kawai James already said that per note volume adjustments will be avaible in future update. Not avaible yet afaik.
Ok, clear. Not yet.
I wrote this midi filter for an old GEM RPStudio (Fatar keyboard).
The GEM itself is gone, let alone warranty.
The biggest problem I had with it is with C2 key. A pretty important key. It has small velocity values and then - over 100, nothing in the middle.
I have some cheap Casio digital piano as well. PX-330. With its own integrated stand - so it is a piano smile Good time to throw it away. Some keys in it suddenly begin to sound at maximal velocity. Then go back to normal again. But not at once. I must endure that loudness for quite a while. No clear algorithm how to get rid of this effect.
Actually, I love RPStudio because I can reach all the 10ths on it, it is much more difficult for me to reach C#-F on PX-330.

Anyway, I am ordering CA99 EP. The store says they get their CA99s from the same European Kawai warehouse, the sooner you order, the sooner you get it.
Perhaps stores like Thomann risk ordering a lot by themselves without waiting for specific customers, so you can get your EP there much quicker, only 2-5 days waiting time.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/04/20 08:17 PM
Oh ok, I'm very confident you won't have any problems with bad velocities on such high tier digital piano. Share your thoughts after you get it smile
Posted By: P Twamley Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/06/20 04:25 PM
I am the owner of a CA79 (polished ebony) and I too have experienced certain notes Eb a bit piercy, this is very disappointing as it would be a lovely piano only for this.
I hope that the next update will solve this problem otherwise its back to Yamaha, which is a shame as I love the light action on the CA79.
Posted By: Jitin Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/06/20 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by P Twamley
I am the owner of a CA79 (polished ebony) and I too have experienced certain notes Eb a bit piercy, this is very disappointing as it would be a lovely piano only for this.
I hope that the next update will solve this problem otherwise its back to Yamaha, which is a shame as I love the light action on the CA79.
Can’t you lower individual note volumes in piano designer ?
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/06/20 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by P Twamley
I am the owner of a CA79 (polished ebony) and I too have experienced certain notes Eb a bit piercy, this is very disappointing as it would be a lovely piano only for this.
I hope that the next update will solve this problem otherwise its back to Yamaha, which is a shame as I love the light action on the CA79.

Paul, out of curiosity, which exact Eb is giving you problems? For me, it is Eb5 that sounds very loud.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/07/20 12:23 AM
Hello Paul,

Originally Posted by P Twamley
I am the owner of a CA79 (polished ebony) and I too have experienced certain notes Eb a bit piercy, this is very disappointing as it would be a lovely piano only for this.
I hope that the next update will solve this problem otherwise its back to Yamaha, which is a shame as I love the light action on the CA79.

If you have not done so already, please contact your dealer and/or Kawai UK for assistance.

It's possible that the frequencies of the note in question are resonating with other objects in the room. Please read richdinoso's post from the previous page:

Originally Posted by richdinoso
I moved the piano far away from the wall, more than 1 foot. And that seems to fix the problem.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: JMCA99 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/07/20 01:20 PM
Dear CA79/CA99 club members,

I am awaiting the arrival of my CA99 EP in Poland, which I ordered after doing extensive research - largely on this forum. Many thanks for taking the time and your valuable input - this was very helpful and informative.

I would also like to buy a set of good headphones for my Kawai - can you recommend what's best? Not really budget limited but am not a specialist so wanted to ask you what you view as best choice for this model.

Would appreciate your advice,

Many thanks,

Jan
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/07/20 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by JMCA99
I would also like to buy a set of good headphones for my Kawai - can you recommend what's best? Not really budget limited but am not a specialist so wanted to ask you what you view as best choice for this model.

Jan
Look for hedphones with flat characteristic. Objectively I've found in tests on the internet that Audiotechnica M40x has the most neutral characteristic. Also many people recommend Senheiser HD5xx or HD6xx series for digital pianos.
Please share your thoughts after you get the piano smile
Posted By: JMCA99 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/07/20 03:17 PM
Thank you Nordomus. Yes - having been screening the internet I did come across a number of people recommending Sennheisers 599 HD as well as higher priced 6x series. Also heard positive feedback re ATH M40x. I guess will opt for a pair of one of these.

Absolutely will share my thoughts when Piano arrives - although my opinion won't be as sophisticated as some of those on this forum smile
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/07/20 04:44 PM
Does anyone who owns the ca99 find it to be too short a cabinet that it ruins the illusion of an upright piano?
It seems like it could be that way seeing pictures of it online.
I know that the nv5 has a good deal more height., And that actually all upright-style cabinet digitals are taller.
Also is that non ebony portion of the underside below the keybed a speaker fabric like the top tweeters?
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/07/20 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Does anyone who owns the ca99 find it to be too short a cabinet that it ruins the illusion of an upright piano?
It seems like it could be that way seeing pictures of it online.
I know that the nv5 has a good deal more height., And that actually all upright-style cabinet digitals are taller.
Also is that non ebony portion of the underside below the keybed a speaker fabric like the top tweeters?


Hello and welcome :-) there is a reason for the lower height: With the 360 Degree Speakers at ear level you really get the illusion of sitting in front of a grand piano. I tried the NV5 and its not bad at all. But soundwise it is in my opinion more "frontal" and over the head.

Yes the fabric below is the same as on top. There is a sort of Slot over the full lengh behind it to let the sound of the twindrive speakers through.

Galuwen
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/07/20 10:00 PM
Hi all,

Finally, my CA99 EP arrived today at home in France, next to Switzerland ! (ordered on Mar. 22nd - not bad i believe under current circumstances).

Will write much longer comments and post some videos if i can later this weekend but i already wanted to share my first impressions.

Short background, I am an amateur pianist, intermediate level, classical education (love Bach and Schumann) and enjoy playing jazz as well (real book standards). I used to play a Yamaha P-120S purchased in Japan
As i have ordered my CA99 without being able to try any recent digital piano and i must admit i was a bit anxious about the sound and most of all the touch of this piano as i read in many articles that Kawai's touch was lighter than Yamaha.

Well, to sum it up, i am very impressed with this piano, the look is stunning (no regret with the additional price for the EP), the sound is great (especially the bass) and the touch is really really great ! I played both with and without headphones. Without headphones, when you put the volume loud enough, same as with the headphones, you are just dreamming and it feels like a playing a grand piano !

Of course it is not perfect, a few things on which i will come back later (i don't want to impact the first impression) but overall super hyper happy (i can stay confined another 2 months if needed now ...).

Don't hesitate if you have any question.
Just one practical tip if you are waiting for the delivery, i had underestimated its weight ! The packed box is a 100kg and without the box it is still 80kg+. I wanted to move it inside the house with my wife ... no way (we have 2 steps for the living room). I have asked neighbours to help me move it tomorrow !

3 quick questions to James and/or other owners:
- just checked my soft version and it says version UI 1.0.4 and Touch Panel System 3.3.17 Firmware V1.05 -> are these the latest ones or do I need to update them ?
- I have already connected the piano to the iphone app. works much better than the touch screen indeed, however i cannot see the recording options on the app (only see the recording button on the touch screen of the piano). Any clue ?
- am I the only one struggling with the music stand ? the piano is too low and the books keep falling off the stand. They cannot make the piano higher but they should at least put a stopper on the edge of the stand (maybe they can ship these later on to us)

2 quick agreed points with other owners comments:
- it takes ages to start once you push the "On" button ...
- the black keys paint is just too much ... i think my daughters are even getting alergies to the paint (sniffing)

Apart from that i am sure i will enjoy it a lot in the next few days, weeks and years !
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/07/20 11:00 PM
Thanks ahh I see!
Probably wouldn't be better for me as I'm really tall lol
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Does anyone who owns the ca99 find it to be too short a cabinet that it ruins the illusion of an upright piano?
It seems like it could be that way seeing pictures of it online.
I know that the nv5 has a good deal more height., And that actually all upright-style cabinet digitals are taller.

The CA99 height is 101cm, while the NV5 height is 110cm, so the CA99 is 9cm shorter.
I think both instruments look superb, and would be happy to own either one at my home. wink

Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Also is that non ebony portion of the underside below the keybed a speaker fabric like the top tweeters?

Yes, that's correct.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 03:19 AM
Hello ag_jazz_piano, congrats on receiving your CA99EP!

To respond to some of your comments/queries:

Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
- just checked my soft version and it says version UI 1.0.4 and Touch Panel System 3.3.17 Firmware V1.05 -> are these the latest ones or do I need to update them ?

At the time of writing, the latest publicly released software is:

LCD Touch Panel: v1.0.6 (April 2020)
System Firmware: v1.08 (April 2020)

The latest software updates can be downloaded from the Kawai-Global.com website. There is also a dedicated thread here for discussing software updates.

Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
- I have already connected the piano to the iphone app. works much better than the touch screen indeed, however i cannot see the recording options on the app (only see the recording button on the touch screen of the piano). Any clue ?

Recording is not supported by the PianoRemote app, partly because controlling the instrument's USB audio recorder via an external app is technically complicated.

Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
- am I the only one struggling with the music stand ? the piano is too low and the books keep falling off the stand. They cannot make the piano higher but they should at least put a stopper on the edge of the stand (maybe they can ship these later on to us)

I'm afraid Kawai does not produce stoppers for sheet music, however I shall pass on your suggestion to the product planning team.

Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
- it takes ages to start once you push the "On" button ...

Yes, the touchscreen requires around 30 seconds or so to boot from power on (similar to cold-booting a smartphone), however the instrument's sound engine should be ready to play before this time.

Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
- the black keys paint is just too much ... i think my daughters are even getting alergies to the paint (sniffing)

I double-checked the situation with a colleague in the keyboard development division. He confirms that the GFIII action's black key key sticks are painted in the same way as that of Kawai's previous Grand Feel keyboard actions, as well as all acoustic piano key sticks. The upper portion of the GFIII action's black keys is not painted.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 07:13 AM
Thank you James for your precise answers:
- I will update the various softwares in the coming days
- well noted for the recording only on the touch screen
- will use a hard panel on the music stand to help keep the books straight

Last point, in France, unfortunately, the CA99 does not come with a headphone nor a bench (for the price they could at least provide a headphone, it would fit in the original box !). Is there a specific Kawai headphone you would suggest to get with the CA99 ? Can we order them directly at Kawai France or Europe ?

Thanks
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 09:14 AM
Hello ag_jazz_piano, thank you for your reply.

Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
Last point, in France, unfortunately, the CA99 does not come with a headphone nor a bench (for the price they could at least provide a headphone, it would fit in the original box !). Is there a specific Kawai headphone you would suggest to get with the CA99 ? Can we order them directly at Kawai France or Europe ?

Kawai digital pianos destined for Europe do not include a bench (nor headphones), but do include printed scores for all of the built-in classical music lessons.
Kawai digital pianos destined for North America, Australia, and other regions do include a bench (the WB-160EP in the case of the CA99EP), but do not include the printed scores.

Kawai digital pianos sold outside of Japan do not include headphones, however markets the Kawai SH-9, which are good quality, reasonably priced headphones:
https://www.thomann.de/fr/kawai_sh_9.htm

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 09:19 AM
Hello Folks,

hard to say it, but another week is gone (wasted) w/o activities of Kawai.

To be honest I am really pissed now. You buy a Digital Piano for more then US$ 5.000,- and these guys gave NOT YET EVEN CALLED BACK !!

And more and more reports of broken delivered GFIIIs.

Last case is dramatic: Christian Uhrmachr's CA99 keys are totally wave shape alligned that on the deepest key the touch display looses contact when key is pressed (we are collecting cases now here in Europe).

Galuwen
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
Hi all,

Finally, my CA99 EP arrived today at home in France, next to Switzerland ! (ordered on Mar. 22nd - not bad i believe under current circumstances).

Will write much longer comments and post some videos if i can later this weekend but i already wanted to share my first impressions.

Short background, I am an amateur pianist, intermediate level, classical education (love Bach and Schumann) and enjoy playing jazz as well (real book standards). I used to play a Yamaha P-120S purchased in Japan
As i have ordered my CA99 without being able to try any recent digital piano and i must admit i was a bit anxious about the sound and most of all the touch of this piano as i read in many articles that Kawai's touch was lighter than Yamaha.

Well, to sum it up, i am very impressed with this piano, the look is stunning (no regret with the additional price for the EP), the sound is great (especially the bass) and the touch is really really great ! I played both with and without headphones. Without headphones, when you put the volume loud enough, same as with the headphones, you are just dreamming and it feels like a playing a grand piano !

Of course it is not perfect, a few things on which i will come back later (i don't want to impact the first impression) but overall super hyper happy (i can stay confined another 2 months if needed now ...).

Don't hesitate if you have any question.
Just one practical tip if you are waiting for the delivery, i had underestimated its weight ! The packed box is a 100kg and without the box it is still 80kg+. I wanted to move it inside the house with my wife ... no way (we have 2 steps for the living room). I have asked neighbours to help me move it tomorrow !

3 quick questions to James and/or other owners:
- just checked my soft version and it says version UI 1.0.4 and Touch Panel System 3.3.17 Firmware V1.05 -> are these the latest ones or do I need to update them ?
- I have already connected the piano to the iphone app. works much better than the touch screen indeed, however i cannot see the recording options on the app (only see the recording button on the touch screen of the piano). Any clue ?
- am I the only one struggling with the music stand ? the piano is too low and the books keep falling off the stand. They cannot make the piano higher but they should at least put a stopper on the edge of the stand (maybe they can ship these later on to us)

2 quick agreed points with other owners comments:
- it takes ages to start once you push the "On" button ...
- the black keys paint is just too much ... i think my daughters are even getting alergies to the paint (sniffing)

Apart from that i am sure i will enjoy it a lot in the next few days, weeks and years !


Hello and thx for the first impressions.

Tip from my side: I will use KatzKlips on my CA99 to keep books from tilting back.

https://katzklip.co.uk

Galuwen
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 10:05 AM
Hello Galuwen,

Originally Posted by Galuwen
Hello Folks,

hard to say it, but another week is gone (wasted) w/o activities of Kawai.

I expect there may be more to this story than meets the eye, however this is not really the thread to discuss such a topic.
Please send me a PM with the details and I will look into this matter for you.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 11:24 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Galuwen,

Originally Posted by Galuwen
Hello Folks,

hard to say it, but another week is gone (wasted) w/o activities of Kawai.

I expect there may be more to this story than meets the eye, however this is not really the thread to discuss such a topic.
Please send me a PM with the details and I will look into this matter for you.

Kind regards,
James
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Hi James,

thx a lot for your help. I will do so.

Alex

PS.: And dont worry folks I keep you updated...
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 01:16 PM
@ Galuwen: thanks for the tips about the KatzKlips (didn't know about this but for sure will be super useful) !

@ James: thanks for your reply. I did get the music scores indeed (but most of them i have already !). A set of headphones would have been better in my case. I will look for the SH-9.

@ all: not too surprised to hear broken delivered cases as mine arrived in a huge truck and the wood platform underneath was broken (because they don't fit the standard size for machines handling this king of wood platforms). I guess they are carefully handled from Indonesia to Germany, but the last few hundred kms are up to local logistics services who deliver this like any parcel !
Posted By: grd-dan Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 02:17 PM
@ag-jazz-piano.
I’ve got a SH9 from Kawai France when I purchased my CA79 in March. It was a launch promotion but maybe it was extended due to the long confinement. Try to contact them.
The headset is very good. I already had a Sony 7506. The only notable difference is that Kawai is a half open back design.
PS. I think that all EP pianos are produced in Indonesia but finished in Japan
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/08/20 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
Short background, I am an amateur pianist, intermediate level, classical education (love Bach and Schumann) and enjoy playing jazz as well (real book standards). I used to play a Yamaha P-120S purchased in Japan
As i have ordered my CA99 without being able to try any recent digital piano and i must admit i was a bit anxious about the sound and most of all the touch of this piano as i read in many articles that Kawai's touch was lighter than Yamaha.

Well, to sum it up, i am very impressed with this piano, the look is stunning (no regret with the additional price for the EP), the sound is great (especially the bass) and the touch is really really great ! I played both with and without headphones. Without headphones, when you put the volume loud enough, same as with the headphones, you are just dreamming and it feels like a playing a grand piano !

That's great news, ag_jazz_piano!

I too have a Yamaha P-120S! It has developed broken keys (replacing them soon), but I have been researching intensely for a replacement with better action since the P-120S is now 20 years old. smile It is great to hear from somebody who has gone to the Kawai CA79/99 from the P-120S and felt like it was heaven.

I have started the hunt for a good deal on a CA79 in the US, and now I feel more confident than ever!
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 02:54 PM
Can anyone comment on the quality of the speakers when used as a high quality hi-fi to play music?
I've seen comments that they were underwhelmed by the bass levels.
The nearest thing I have to a hifi is an Amazon Alexa lol. Should I expect better quality than that?
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Can anyone comment on the quality of the speakers when used as a high quality hi-fi to play music?
I've seen comments that they were underwhelmed by the bass levels.
The nearest thing I have to a hifi is an Amazon Alexa lol. Should I expect better quality than that?

The CA99 sounds really good when I played YouTube music videos from my phone. But you're not going to get booming bass. You have to consider the size of the soundboard. It's pretty small. I wonder what it would sound like when played through a huge soundboard like a grand piano size.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 04:00 PM
Thanks, ah so a soundbar would probably out do it then
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by richdinoso
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Can anyone comment on the quality of the speakers when used as a high quality hi-fi to play music?
I've seen comments that they were underwhelmed by the bass levels.
The nearest thing I have to a hifi is an Amazon Alexa lol. Should I expect better quality than that?

The CA99 sounds really good when I played YouTube music videos from my phone. But you're not going to get booming bass. You have to consider the size of the soundboard. It's pretty small. I wonder what it would sound like when played through a huge soundboard like a grand piano size.
Have you turned off wall wq in piano settings? For me bass levels are great on CA98, I think it gives very natural bass characteristic
Posted By: richdinoso Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Thanks, ah so a soundbar would probably out do it then

A soundbar... no that won't outdo the CA99, but a 12-inch sub would smile.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Have you turned off wall wq in piano settings? For me bass levels are great on CA98, I think it gives very natural bass characteristic
Typo, I meant wall eq.
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 06:14 PM
I would like to introduce myself as the newest member of the CA79/CA99 owner's club! I just completed a transaction on a CA79. Thanks to many, many of you fine people for your advice, perspectives, experiences, and "price paid" entries!

My first DP (and current DP) is a Yamaha P-120S. It's been idle for a couple of years due to the sticky key issue and because I became a care giver to my elderly parents who had to move in with me. But the piano has been calling me back and I've been inspired recently to make music again. I determined I needed an instrument that I could be excited about playing, and to me, that means a beautiful action. (I know that the Kawai GFIII action sometimes sparks controversy, and yes it is "sight unseen" due to COVID. However, chances are that the action is better than the 15+yo P-120S).

Special thanks to the posts by MacMacMac, whose posts have given frank advice for negotiating and dealing with .. well the dealers.

With any luck, the new CA79 should be under my fingers in 10 or so days!
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 09:06 PM
Well I got my piano yesterday and unfortunately I have the same issue as Galuwen. frown Noisy key at A4 but other keys also make less a plastic sound but not as much as A4. Plus C5 and D5 make a loud pitchy sound both through headphones and speakers.

Overall the piano is nice but having these issues is kind of a bummer.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/09/20 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Pilito
Well I got my piano yesterday and unfortunately I have the same issue as Galuwen. frown Noisy key at A4 but other keys also make less a plastic sound but not as much as A4. Plus C5 and D5 make a loud pitchy sound both through headphones and speakers.

Overall the piano is nice but having these issues is kind of a bummer.

Hello and first of all welcome to the "owners" club :-).

Do I understand, that with your piano the white keys are noisy?

I hope James is right and it is just a little thing and can be repaired.

I will update all in the forum on the progress with Kawai.

Unfortunately Kawai Germany is not available in the moment - advice in the German forum.

But I have good contact with my dealer and the are very experienced with Kawai Pianos.

So I hope they can fix it :-).

And how do you likge your piano?

Galuwen
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 04:18 AM
Hello Pilito,

I'm sorry to read that one of the keys on your new piano is "noisy". It's not clear to me what is causing this issue, however I recommend that you seek assistance from your dealer and or Kawai America.

Originally Posted by Pilito
Plus C5 and D5 make a loud pitchy sound both through headphones and speakers.

May I ask if this occurs with one specific sound (e.g. SK-EX Rendering (Romantic), or all of the sounds?
I don't really understand what "loud pitchy" means, however if you hear this sound through headphones and speakers, it could perhaps be a characteristic captured in the original recording.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 04:26 AM
Hello Galuwen,

Originally Posted by Galuwen
Unfortunately Kawai Germany is not available in the moment - advice in the German forum.

I'm still waiting for you to respond to my query regarding the nature of your contact with Kawai Europe. Due to Covid-19, many companies are not fully operational at the moment, so it may take longer for your technical support request to be handled.

Please reply to my PM when you read this.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 06:21 AM
I also discovered an issue with my CA79 - also with black keys. most of them, especially in the middle of keyboard make loud dull sound as they bounce back. the first octave of the black keys is quiet, then it gets very noisy and quiet again at the end of the keyboard. neighboring white keys are fine.

Anyone else experiencing that? no plastic clicks like Galuwen has though.

Another thing, there is also a minor issue with the felt towards the low keys - an inch or so stuck under the fallboard and does not show up. will post video and pictures tomorrow.

I dont care about the felt as much, but the bounce back noise is the reason I returned previous piano.

Would anyone advise what is the typical escalation process? do I contact Kawai US? I bought Piano online so dealer is in another state.

Would appreciate an advise.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 06:49 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Galuwen,

Originally Posted by Galuwen
Unfortunately Kawai Germany is not available in the moment - advice in the German forum.

I'm still waiting for you to respond to my query regarding the nature of your contact with Kawai Europe. Due to Covid-19, many companies are not fully operational at the moment, so it may take longer for your technical support request to be handled.

Please reply to my PM when you read this.

Kind regards,
James
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I did yesterday...
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 10:00 AM
Originally Posted by Sebastian FL
I also discovered an issue with my CA79 - also with black keys. most of them, especially in the middle of keyboard make loud dull sound as they bounce back. the first octave of the black keys is quiet, then it gets very noisy and quiet again at the end of the keyboard. neighboring white keys are fine.

Anyone else experiencing that? no plastic clicks like Galuwen has though.

Another thing, there is also a minor issue with the felt towards the low keys - an inch or so stuck under the fallboard and does not show up. will post video and pictures tomorrow.

I dont care about the felt as much, but the bounce back noise is the reason I returned previous piano.

Would anyone advise what is the typical escalation process? do I contact Kawai US? I bought Piano online so dealer is in another state.

Would appreciate an advise.

Is that dull Sound also present when you switch OFF the Piano? Stupid suggestion but maybe it is the release sample?

Galuwen
Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Is that dull Sound also present when you switch OFF the Piano? Stupid suggestion but maybe it is the release sample?

Galuwen

Yes, sound present with Piano off and is coming from the piano itself. it's so bad I hear it while playing with Beyerdynamic 770s.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Sebastian FL
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Is that dull Sound also present when you switch OFF the Piano? Stupid suggestion but maybe it is the release sample?

Galuwen

Yes, sound present with Piano off and is coming from the piano itself. it's so bad I hear it while playing with Beyerdynamic 770s.
Please record it and share it here, I'm curious what this is.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 05:29 PM
Horror stories...
Perhaps I can ask the store to check it out (and perhaps to fix it) before bringing to me?
I myself don't want to leave the house for the next two years at least, or until I drop dead, whichever comes first.
I have ordered CA99 EP and 2 of those:
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I mean, the headphones, not twin sisters.
For aesthetic reasons. You know, to play duets on Kawai with Kawais smile
Their price at my store: 90 € each, including 21% VAT.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 05:58 PM
I'm at a loss to understand buying $100 Kawai phones when you can get name brand phones for $100.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm at a loss to understand buying $100 Kawai phones when you can get name brand phones for $100.

Maybe they are as good? I've never had pleasure to test them so I don't know.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm at a loss to understand buying $100 Kawai phones when you can get name brand phones for $100.

Who knows, perhaps Kawai phones are name brand phones. They might be Onkyo like everything in CA99. Which is perhaps Denon or Marantz.
Or perhaps not. I lost the track what is what.
They might be actually optimized for digital piano. Kawai makes that claim, if I am not mistaken.
So it is interesting to try them.
The price is suspiciously low, though.

I like Sennheiser HD 600. And I am thinking about getting Sennheiser HD 660S.
Not as an upgrade but rather as an alternative, because their sound stage is very different.
Speaking of Senns, I see that Sennheiser HD 598 and 599 are recommended for piano. As well as Sennheiser 280 Pro - which is different, closed type.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 08:03 PM
Ive got Sennheiser momentum 2.0 phones.
Does anyone think that will give me a good quality piano experience through headphones?
Also the piano is advertised with the sound stage thing using headphones.
Can this be felt just by listening to ca99 demos on YouTube through headphones, or does the 3d sound only work directly through listening from headphones plugged into the piano?
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 09:27 PM
Sennheiser Momentum (1.0) would be better.
They made 2.0 specifically and deliberately to be incompatible with Kawai's and most other digital pianos.
Because, if I'm not mistaken, the cable in 2.0 is connected to the right side instead of the proper left side. Very evil of Sennheiser.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/10/20 10:05 PM
The cable is on the right side you are correct. But I was able to use these headphones on my Casio px 735 no problem. Maybe that is one of the few dp exceptions?
Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 04:01 AM
Here is the video of the noise issue.


Also a picture of the felt issue
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 04:51 AM
Hello Sebastian,

Originally Posted by Sebastian FL
I also discovered an issue with my CA79 - also with black keys. most of them, especially in the middle of keyboard make loud dull sound as they bounce back. the first octave of the black keys is quiet, then it gets very noisy and quiet again at the end of the keyboard. neighboring white keys are fine.

I watched your video. It's a little difficult to tell how loud the key return noise is from this video, as smartphones have a tendency to automatically compress/normalise quiet sounds when recording video. Also, the camera seems to keep moving away from your fingers when the keys are released. However, if other keys do not produce the same sound, it's perhaps worth seeking assistance from your dealer.

Originally Posted by Sebastian FL
Another thing, there is also a minor issue with the felt towards the low keys - an inch or so stuck under the fallboard and does not show up.

I can't tell clearly, but perhaps the key felt has folded under itself. If this is the case, it should be relatively easy to fix.

Originally Posted by Sebastian FL
Would anyone advise what is the typical escalation process? do I contact Kawai US? I bought Piano online so dealer is in another state.

The first point of contact should be with your dealer. Explain the situation that you're experiencing, along with videos, pictures, etc. and ask how the matter should be resolved. If the dealer is unable to assist you (due to location), it's perhaps best to also contact Kawai America.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:03 AM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm at a loss to understand buying $100 Kawai phones when you can get name brand phones for $100.

...these are name brand phones.
Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:07 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Sebastian,

I watched your video. It's a little difficult to tell how loud the key return noise is from this video, as smartphones have a tendency to automatically compress/normalise quiet sounds when recording video. Also, the camera seems to keep moving away from your fingers when the keys are released. However, if other keys do not produce the same sound, it's perhaps worth seeking assistance from your dealer.

Thanks for reply. other keys make zero sound. I point camera away when I repeat the key I just pressed with microphone pointed at the key for better clarity.

Felt seems glued like that. it wouldnt move with easy pull. I dont wanna try hard obviously.

I have already contacted the dealer, will see what they say.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:25 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm at a loss to understand buying $100 Kawai phones when you can get name brand phones for $100.

...these are name brand phones.

I expected such a reaction from you smile
But are they really Onkyo phones inside?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:29 AM
Originally Posted by Parkher
But are they really Onkyo phones inside?

I'm afraid it's not my place to say, however I believe other forum visitors may have mentioned the manufacturer elsewhere...

James
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Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:44 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
But are they really Onkyo phones inside?

I'm afraid it's not my place to say, however I believe other forum visitors may have mentioned the manufacturer elsewhere...

Yes, I new you would say "no comment" the moment I posted it.
I found the information elsewhere, not at a forum here:
"The Kawai SH-9 piano headphones were developed in cooperation with another japanese company called Audio Technica and are specially optimized for the sound reproduction of piano sounds"
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:45 AM
Sorry, KJ, but Kawai is not known for phones.
For pianos, yes. I owned one. I buy Kawai for pianos, not for phones.
Just as I'd buy Kelloggs for their cereal, but not for headphones.
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm at a loss to understand buying $100 Kawai phones when you can get name brand phones for $100.
...these are name brand phones.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:53 AM
So Kawai SH-9 headphones are made by Audio-Technica.

Audio-Technica headphones are often recommended for digital pianos.
Most often: Audio-Technica ATH-M40x.
But also Audio-Technica ATH-M50x, Audio-Technica ATH-AD700X, Audio-Technica ATH-AR3BT, Audio-Technica AUD ATHAD1000X - are those actual headphones?
The price of SH-9 seems to indicate Audio-Technica ATH-M40x.
Do they look like SH-9?
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Posted By: Peter Sramka Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 09:34 AM
I purchased a CA99. I practice on it everyday. It is an amazing piano. I have not had any problems with it all. The feel/action is fantastic and the sound is heavenly.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by Peter Sramka
I purchased a CA99. I practice on it everyday. It is an amazing piano. I have not had any problems with it all. The feel/action is fantastic and the sound is heavenly.
Congratulations!
I hope most people have no problems and just do not report that happy news here.

The heavenly sound would be even more heavenly, if instead of 3 Kawai pianos they had included Kawai, Steinway and Fazioli.
But that will never happen.
Only Casio may do this, with no acoustic pianos of their own.
Or Yamaha, if they buy Kawai, Steinway and Fazioli smile
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by Parkher
3 Kawai pianos

4 Kawai pianos, if you include the upright. wink
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
3 Kawai pianos

4 Kawai pianos, if you include the upright. wink

OK, then.
Kawai, Steinway, Fazioli and Ravenscroft smile
Posted By: Theinvisibleman Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Could you record this key noise issue and post it here?

So I tried my best to record it exactly as I hear it during playing. You can hear it very good on the last notes of the Sound file (on the deep Fis) that there is a plasticky clicking noise when touching the black key

It's a little difficult to tell what is causing this sound. Can you send me video, please?

Kind regards,
James
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Hi James,

I did my best to record it as good as possible. Hope the Video helps:



Galuwen


Hi James,

So i was just about to order a CA79 and i see this issue. [quote=Kawai James] Please can you explain if this a known problem with these models?
No way i will spend 3 grand until Im sure the quality is good.

Kind regards
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 12:33 PM
And what kind of sensors are actually used in the keyboard, and how reliable they are?
If optical sensors - no wear and tear. But perhaps sensitive to dust particles.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 12:57 PM
For what it's worth, I've had my CA79 since the beginning of March and have zero issues with it at all. Touch wood! I quite like the little noises the keys make naturally, gives the DP some character!

The only thing, if you have pets that shed lots of fur, buy a lint roller for the speaker cover on top!!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 12:58 PM
Hello Theinvisibleman, welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted by Theinvisibleman
So i was just about to order a CA79 and i see this issue. [quote=Kawai James] Please can you explain if this a known problem with these models?

The CA99/CA79 have only been on the market for a couple of months (depending on the market area), however the structure and materials of the keys/key surfaces are essentially the same as that of previous generation instruments. Therefore, I don't believe this is a common problem.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
And what kind of sensors are actually used in the keyboard, and how reliable they are?
If optical sensors - no wear and tear. But perhaps sensitive to dust particles.

As with all digital pianos, the CA99/CA79 keyboard action uses rubber switches to trigger notes.

The only mainstream (i.e. manufactured in large quantities) digital instruments that use optical sensors are Yamaha's AvantGrand N1X/N2/N3 and selected Silent instruments, and Kawai's Novus NV10/NV5 and AnyTimeX/Aures instruments.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
For what it's worth, I've had my CA79 since the beginning of March and have zero issues with it at all.

Good to hear Amy.

Good tip on the pet hair roller too!

James
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Posted By: Theinvisibleman Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 01:19 PM
It just i see already a few people mention the same issue so it makes me a little concerned.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
And what kind of sensors are actually used in the keyboard, and how reliable they are?
If optical sensors - no wear and tear. But perhaps sensitive to dust particles.

As with all digital pianos, the CA99/CA79 keyboard action uses rubber switches to trigger notes.
I wonder if they are easy to replace. And can I buy some of those rubber switches.
With other digital pianos I have problems with sensors, even when a triple sensor (so a relatively new design) is used.
Posted By: Theinvisibleman Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 01:36 PM
Hi Amy,

The little noises you mention, are they like clicks?

Many thanks
Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Theinvisibleman
It just i see already a few people mention the same issue so it makes me a little concerned.
I have no plastic clicks but rather dull hits of the wood. like whatever fabric was supposed to eliminate it is missing or lacking. you can clearly hear it on the video with the middle black keys and clearly not hear it with the back keys on the left. but it's completely different and unrelated to what Galuwen has. James is sure downplaying the issue though.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 03:15 PM
Does the optical sensor provide an enhancement to the playing experience over the rubber?
I saw a CS11 has this property so was weighing up if that makes it worth it over the older sound samples?
Thanks
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 04:37 PM
Originally Posted by Sebastian FL
Originally Posted by Theinvisibleman
It just i see already a few people mention the same issue so it makes me a little concerned.
I have no plastic clicks but rather dull hits of the wood. like whatever fabric was supposed to eliminate it is missing or lacking. you can clearly hear it on the video with the middle black keys and clearly not hear it with the back keys on the left. but it's completely different and unrelated to what Galuwen has. James is sure downplaying the issue though.
Probably lack of enough felt around the middle stabilizer hole in the key. It's the same on GF2, I was hoping it was better on GF3.
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 04:45 PM
Hi Kawai,

I find that the SK-EX Rendering reverb maybe set to high and causes the piercing/ringing after effect sound in the treble keys. I tried making many adjustments but the ringing sound does not go away. I switched to SX-EX Concert and it sounded good after switching to Room setting in reverb. To bad, because I'd rather play using SK-EX Rendering.
Posted By: Damien PG Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 04:55 PM
I also have had my CA79 since March with no problems. I enjoy it very much.
Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by OldPianoStudent
I also have had my CA79 since March with no problems. I enjoy it very much.
can you record depressing sound (if any?) of the black keys around middle C? perhaps I'm ultra sensitive.
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 05:45 PM
I'm looking at the Startup Settings and I'm confused about two options:
1. Current - The digital piano will always start-up with the current (at the time of selection) instrument settings.
2. Power Off - The digital piano will always start-up with the settings that were used when the instrument was turned-off.

They seem almost the same to me. Is there a subtle difference that I'm not understanding?

Reason is, when I start my piano I want to use the last sound setting I used with its customizations. For example, I want to always use SX-EX | Concert with Room reverb. Thanks.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 06:19 PM
Pilito,

And how does CA79 sound through Sennheiser HD 660 S?
I was thinking about getting 660S.
That piercing/ringing - is it through headphones or without or both?
If through headphones, is it also through some cheaper different headphones too?
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 06:44 PM
The piano sounds great through the HD 660S. I actually have to lower the volume! I also ordered the HD6XX (half the price from drop.com) to see which I like better.

The piercing/ringing noise is consistent through two headphones (HD660s and Shure 440) and speakers. The noise is due to the SX-EX Rendering sound selection. I wonder if others hears it? I think it is reverb set too high in the rendering. I'm very sensitive to reverb settings set too high. I had the same issue with the Yamaha P515 when I tried that piano. The default reverb was set way too high.
Unfortunately, I can't adjust reverb for the SX-EX rendering sound.
Posted By: Theinvisibleman Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 07:21 PM
I was literally going to buy one today but will hold off a few more months now to see if there are more key issues.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 07:35 PM
Originally Posted by Theinvisibleman
Hi Amy,

The little noises you mention, are they like clicks?

Many thanks

I hear the odd little click, and I mean very little click. The other sounds are just the wooden keys moving around when you play. I like it!
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 08:38 PM
Originally Posted by Pilito
Hi Kawai,

I find that the SK-EX Rendering reverb maybe set to high and causes the piercing/ringing after effect sound in the treble keys. I tried making many adjustments but the ringing sound does not go away. I switched to SX-EX Concert and it sounded good after switching to Room setting in reverb. To bad, because I'd rather play using SK-EX Rendering.
I am still waiting for my CA99 EP, so I may be mistaken, but the manual says you can switch between various ambiance types when using SK-EX Rendering:

"Ambience will only be displayed when the “SK-EX Rendering” piano sound variation is selected."

Ambience types:
Natural. Simulates the ambience of a natural environment.
Small Room. Simulates the ambience/reverberation of a small room.
Midium Room. Simulates the ambience/reverberation of a medium-sized room.
Large Room. Simulates the ambience/reverberation of a large room.
Mellow Lounge. Simulates the ambience/reverberation of a recording studio.
Bright Lounge. Simulates the ambience/reverberation of a wooden recording studio.
Studio. Simulates the soft ambience/reverberation of a lounge.
Wood Studio. Simulates the bright ambience/reverberation of a lounge.
Live Stage. Simulates the ambience/reverberation of a live stage.
Echo. Simulates the ambience/reverberation of an echo chamber.

Interesting that Lounge simulates studio, and Studio simulates lounge. Probably the manual needs to be corrected

So does this piercing/ringing is affected by changing the SK-EX Rendering Ambience type?
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 08:41 PM
The excessive reverb does not change by changing the ambience. I tried! smile Again, I'm a little sensitive to excessive reverb. Others may not have this issue.

Overall, the piano is great. Still the best digital piano in the market today
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by Pilito
The excessive reverb does not change by changing the ambience. I tried! smile Again, I'm a little sensitive to excessive reverb. Others may not have this issue.
Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to provide also the firmware version with this problem.
Posted By: JoBert Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/11/20 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Does the optical sensor provide an enhancement to the playing experience over the rubber?
I saw a CS11 has this property so was weighing up if that makes it worth it over the older sound samples?
Thanks
The CS11 doesn‘t have optical sensors either, if that‘s what you mean. It has the same (or very similar) rubber switches.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 05:08 AM
Hello Pilito,

Regarding your query:

Originally Posted by Pilito
I'm looking at the Startup Settings and I'm confused about two options:
1. Current - The digital piano will always start-up with the current (at the time of selection) instrument settings.
2. Power Off - The digital piano will always start-up with the settings that were used when the instrument was turned-off.

They seem almost the same to me. Is there a subtle difference that I'm not understanding?

"Current" refers to the settings that you're using at that specific time. When this type is selected, the currently selected settings will be automatically applied every time the instrument is turned on.
"Power Off" refers to the settings that were used just before the instrument was turned off. So, if you were playing a Classic EP sound just before turning the piano off, when the piano is turned on again Classic EP and any associated settings will be automatically recalled.

[quote=Pilito]Reason is, when I start my piano I want to use the last sound setting I used with its customizations. For example, I want to always use SX-EX | Concert with Room reverb. Thanks.

So, in this case, you would select SK-EX | Concert with Room reverb, then change the Startup Setting to "Current". Now every time the piano is turned on, it will startup with SK-EX | Concert sound and Room reverb.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 07:02 AM
Originally Posted by Pilito
The excessive reverb does not change by changing the ambience. I tried! smile Again, I'm a little sensitive to excessive reverb. Others may not have this issue.

Does the characteristic of this sound change when adjusting the "Resonance Depth" Virtual Technician parameter?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 08:36 AM
I tried changing many parameters in Virtual Technician, including Resonance Depth. None of them had any effect on the excessive reverb. It would be nice to have a reverb setting (like with other sound options) so the user can reduce the amount of reverb in Rendering sound. I have always been sensitive to reverb and have always reduced that setting in other digital pianos I have owned/tried. also note that the Ambience setting does not change the reverb much at all.

I am running the latest firmware.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 08:44 AM
Pilito, it's my understanding that, when using SK-EX Rendering sounds, the Reverb processing is replaced by Ambiance. So, if Ambiance is turned off, no additional reverberation will be applied.

This suggests to me that what you're hearing is not reverb, but another characteristic of the SK-EX Rendering sound engine.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 11:00 AM
Hi all,

I've had my CA99 EP for 4 days now and have been able to play it more since my 1st day comments.

Overall, still love it (touch, sound and look !) and I can say this is a great instrument, both for classical and jazz music and it really allows finest control and nuances (recently playing Schubert Impromptu Op.142 n.3 and it is just pure pleasure on the CA99).
My objectives are all achieved with this piano: be able to enjoy (i.e. experience pleasure) playing a nice piano, without disturbing the rest of my family. This digital piano is definitely much better than any average accoustic piano ! Even without headphones, the sound is just excellent and beautiful.

Of course not fully perfect but overall top top top.
The SK EK rendering is outstanding (i am a bit disappointed by other piano sounds which sound like really honky tonky in comparison, but after all the SK EK is just so nice, why bothering with the others !).

I have updated all the softwares reading the pdf manual and using youtube demonstration of a UK dealer on how to run the update. It was very quick and very smooth. Just pay attention that depending on which soft you update, you have to put the USB stick either on the back or on the front.

Apart from this, I have detected a small mechanical issue with my sustain pedal (which by the way are all too shorts ... they could have done longer pedals !!!). Sometimes (once out of 10-20), when i release it i can hear a mechanical noise (like oil is missing). Probably an easy fix if one can access to the pedal mechanism (given the weight of the piano i doubt i can ask my wife to lift and hold it while i look for where to put some oil) !!!

Finally, i would like to post pictures and videos but i don't know how to do on this forum, it seems we can only post url links but i dont have any youtube or website with my photos/videos (just saved in my PC).
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 11:35 AM
Hello ag_jazz_piano, thank you for the update.

I'm pleased to read that you are enjoying your new CA99EP!

Regarding the mechanical noise of the sustain pedal, please double check that the pedal support bolt beneath the pedals is fully lowered (by turning anti-clockwise) and touching the floor firmly.

PianoWorld does allow members to upload pictures, however I tend to use a free image hosting service such as imgbb.com whenever I need to upload images or screenshots etc.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Theinvisibleman Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 12:11 PM
Ok, thank for the info I really appreciate it 🙂 glad you are enjoying you new piano.

Im pretty OCD so little clicks would bother me for the amount of money involved.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by Pilito
I tried changing many parameters in Virtual Technician, including Resonance Depth. None of them had any effect on the excessive reverb. It would be nice to have a reverb setting (like with other sound options) so the user can reduce the amount of reverb in Rendering sound. I have always been sensitive to reverb and have always reduced that setting in other digital pianos I have owned/tried. also note that the Ambience setting does not change the reverb much at all.

I am running the latest firmware.
Are you sure you hear this ringing only in SK-EX Rendering and not in all SK-EX Concert Grand variations?
Perhaps it is present in the samples, but SK-EX Rendering somehow makes it more noticeable?
Besides, SK-EX Rendering perhaps uses different samples, or at least more of them, recorded from more microphones.
I would not be surprised if that ringing is in the samples, it might be in the sampled grand itself - you just get an authentic sound as in the real thing.
For example, Faziolis are known for stuff like that, very difficult to tune cleanly, to get rid of certain beating in trebles. You know, when even a single string is beating with itself while oscillating in different planes at different frequencies.
In fact, I have a sampled Fazioli where imperfections of the acoustic grand are retained in the samples.
Posted By: David2519 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 05:30 PM
Hello!

I love my CA79 but the volume on headphones seems low even when setting is changed to high. I have DT990 Pro headphones with 250ohms so is this too high?

I may order some AKG K240 headphones which have 55 ohms, do you think these will work better?
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 06:40 PM
Thanks Parkher and Kawai James for your responses:

Note I changed my profile name from Pilito to RCKFlorida! smile

The ringing I hear is only in the SK-EX Rendering selection. I don't hear it in any other SK-EX sounds, such as SK-EX Concert. I tried other sound options and I don't hear that ringing effect. I have tried adjusting all the settings in the Rendering sound with little affect in the ringing after effect. Maybe in a future software release they might this ringing effect or at least give us a setting where I can adjust it.

On a different note, Sennheiser has the HD 660S on sale for 399.95 (normally 499.95)!
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 06:49 PM
New video but missleading on one point:

Or did't know that the new CA99 uses a REAL grand piano keyboard:



Galuwen
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 07:07 PM
And here's the new Yugo, made to ride just like a Maserati !

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Don't you just love those honest marketing folks!
Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by David2519
Hello!

I love my CA79 but the volume on headphones seems low even when setting is changed to high. I have DT990 Pro headphones with 250ohms so is this too high?

I may order some AKG K240 headphones which have 55 ohms, do you think these will work better?
Well, I've got 250 Ohms 770s, and they are loud more than enough. am using them with half the volume. but perhaps my Loud and your Loud are different smile. I also have Sennheiser 599s (50 Ohms) and would take 770s any time.
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 10:51 PM
So after further investigation it turns out it is me!! The CA79 piano is fine. smile

I happen to have a Yamaha C2X in my living room so I decided to play the song that was causing me grief and observed that I'm also hearing that ringing noise. LOL It must be my tinnitus acting up! But the discussion was fun.

So I decided to leave it on the SX-EX Rendering sound with no adjustments. It is the sound setting that is most similar to my C2X. smile
Posted By: ZeusSig Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/12/20 10:54 PM
Hi everyone. New member here, although I’ve been a lurker for quite some time. I ordered my CA99SB just a couple of days ago. I’m really excited to receive it! I will be sure to post here after I have had a chance to use my new purchase for a bit. Whether it’s positive or negative, I believe in truth and transparency, guided by data that I have obtained firsthand.

One thought for those of you that are on the edge of purchase... I come from a background in manufacturing and “issues” can always happen with any product. For this reason, I’m not too concerned about problems. The Kawai warranty should cover anything unexpected with my inbound instrument. Even billion dollar companies have their issues. But they don’t become a big name by producing bad products and not listening to customers. Even after reading every post in PW about the Kawai CA series, I’m still confident in my purchase. You’ll find more times than not, people are always ready to report criticism rather than praise. So I don’t believe this thread to be an accurate representation of all CA series users. My suggestion is to try out the product if/when you can. If you like it, buy it! If not, buy something else.

I make this post because I continue to see negative opinions and speculation from several folks who aren’t part of the owners’ club. It’s too bad the direction this thread has taken. I found the “ignore” feature to be useful and have used it on a couple of users. Seriously, did a pic of a car help add anything of value here? These people just continue to litter this thread with trash and add nothing of value to the actual owners. I suggest trying this feature! Just click on their username and press the “Ignore User”, it’s that easy.

For those of you who are actual owners, please continue to keep all of us updated on the positives and negatives, as well as any resolutions made for you by Kawai or their dealers. It’s really a big help. Thanks to all of you who provide constructive reviews and criticism of your product and experience.

@KawaiJames: would Kawai consider making a spot/forum in its website for verified owners? I worked for a MFG company of industrial structural metal and electronic 3D printers. While our products had their issues, and they were plenty, having a forum where verified users could collaborate was extremely useful to both the customers and our company. We were able to take the feedback from posts, where some users may not have called in to ask if it was an issue. It wasn’t publicly available, but the dialogue among customers really added value to the feeling of being a customer and having a voice. I’m in the semiconductor field now; I no longer work with “customers”, per se, so I can’t comment on how much it is still being used, or not. But it was a great addition to the Customer Support hotline that we had. It has become increasingly difficult to decipher the useful information here, from the fragmented debris that the wonderful pot-stirrers continue to post. It has really derailed any sort of useful dialogue here. As you can see, this thread certainly isn’t an “owners’ club”.

Anyhow, just my $0.02. I hope all is well with everyone and that you and your families have good health, even the non-owning naysayers. smile
Posted By: Flyingblind Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 01:31 AM
Hi all, I just bought a CA99 to be delivered in a few weeks, and ... I think I can only play chopsticks or Twinkle Twinkle. I play oboe, flute and cello and I play with my friends who do play piano. They know a good piano from a bad one. Once the "plague" is over we'll get back together and we can do chamber music. Meanwhile I can learn how to play piano. I have a few questions. I'm going to put this piano in my living room. I have space against the wall or I can set it away from the wall. I'm not sure I'd enjoy playing it with my back to everyone. My living room has a 20 ft. angled ceiling. I use my iPad to practice duets that are mostly midi files, not great. I had some idea I could route these files or maybe better quality through the piano. Not expecting the keys to move but for me it would be better to practice with the sound coming out of the piano. Is this possible?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 03:05 AM
Hello Pilioto Robert, welcome to the forum. wink

Originally Posted by RCKFlorida
So after further investigation it turns out it is me!! The CA79 piano is fine. smile

I happen to have a Yamaha C2X in my living room so I decided to play the song that was causing me grief and observed that I'm also hearing that ringing noise. LOL It must be my tinnitus acting up! But the discussion was fun.

So I decided to leave it on the SX-EX Rendering sound with no adjustments. It is the sound setting that is most similar to my C2X. smile

Thank you for the update. It's unfortunate to hear that you suffer from tinnitus, however I'm glad that you've gotten to the cause of the ringing sound.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 03:17 AM
Hello ZeusSig, welcome to the forum, and thank you for your thoughtful post.

Regarding your suggestion, I have consider this topic in the past, and I know that Kawai Europe maintains a German language forum on their website that can be a useful resource for customers.

Currently, Kawai staff are able to submit bug reports and user requests to R&D via a private online system. I've suggested to some colleagues that it be worthwhile opening up system to customers and other registered users, however we're perhaps not quite at that stage where everyone is onboard just yet.

But again, thank you for your suggestion, and for the dose of realism. wink

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 03:26 AM
Hello Flyingblind, welcome to the forum!

Great to read that you have chosen the CA99 to start learning the piano!

Regarding your queries, if you have space, I believe the CA99 will sound best when positioned around 20cm away from a rear wall. There are settings to optimise the instrument's EQ depending on the type of material used for walls also.

The CA99 features both Bluetooth MIDI and Bluetooth Audio, which should allow you to continue to use your iPad for practicing MIDI files. If these MIDI files usually play through the iPad, the sound can be routed via Bluetooth Audio through the instrument's speakers. Even better, if the app that you're using supports transmitting the actual MIDI data, this can be sent via Bluetooth MIDI to the instrument's sound engine, allowing the pieces to be played using the CA99's piano sounds.

The CA99 also has quite an extensive range of built-in lesson songs/pieces, with functions to mute the left or right hand to allow practicing. Depending on your location, printed scorebooks for many of these lessons are also included with the instrument.

I hope this helps - best of luck learning the piano!

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 09:32 AM
@ Flyingblind
To answer your question, my CA99 EP is now in my living room (quite big living room) against a wall, but I let around 10-15 cm between the wall and the piano. It sounds outstanding, great spread of the sound in the room and feels great for the pianist as well !

Regarding your second question, i have not tried yet to play music on the piano (from my iphone/ipad) while playing along but from the owner manual i believe this is possible. I will try and let you know.
The soundboard of the piano really has an outstanding sound quality, especially for the bass !
Hope this helps

@ KawaiJames
I have checked the pedal support bolt beneath the pedals and it was already fully lowered (i had checked when setting up the piano). With the weight of the piano i cannot move it left or right so i assume it is fully lowered. The noise from the pedal is rather a mechanical friction (i wonder if it's because my foot is slightly more on the right edge of the pedal, hence inducing not a full vertical movement but a side movement - but i have no choice since the pedal is so short). No a huge issue but i am afraid with time this gets worse unless i find how to solve the issue (maybe just a bit of oil)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 09:38 AM
ag_jazz_piano, thank you for checking the pedal bolt.

If you're hearing some mechanical friction when the damper pedal is pressed, it could well be a lubrication issue.

I would recommend giving your dealer and/or Kawai distributor a call to see what they recommend.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 08:38 PM
Hi Folks,

so now for the update on my CA99:

First a short explanation, because I got the feedback that my situation with "waiting for Kawai service" was not 100% clear for everybody:

Here in my area of Austria service for all Kawai instruments is in the responsibility of the official (and exclusive) Kawai dealer and is not carried out by Kawai Europe (located in Krehfeld Germany).

So when I wrote about my experience on Kawai Service = I ment Service of my Kawai Dealer.


So finally this week a got a "slot" and my favorite Kawai (Dealers) Technician Markus showed up at 10:30 - HURRAY! As the noises of some of my black keys ALWAYS happend Markus could make himself a good "picture" of the Problem.

After totally opening my CA99 EP (I hardly got a heart attack but he did a marvelous job) the keyboard was open in front of him.

He took (key by key) all black keys out, checked every part and … also checked that enough of the white grease is between keystick pivot and hammer and putted them back in place and HURRAY > ALL DISTURBING NOISES ARE 100% GONE.

Seeing the GFIII in parts and in reality is WAY more impressive as the picture on the KAWAI Homepage :-) :-) :-). There are really hardly a dozend of clever new design details I really liked (this is my 5th Grand Feel Keyboard and I am a curious Design Engineer).

We (or better Markus) is not 100% sure if something was also "cleaned out or realigned" by taking the keys out or if "only" the grease was the solution. At the end of the day: The new GFIII (also hours later and in all playing situations) is UNBELIVABLE realistic and JOY to PLAY.

Of course Markus (I know him since my CA93) left his card on my desk and YES HE SAYED HIS FAMOUSE SENTENCE AGAIN: Give me a ring whenever I can do something for you. I will return as often as necessary until you are 100% satisfied with the result :-).


KAWAI count me in - THIS IS AS IT SHOULD BE...


Galuwen
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 08:54 PM
...and I was impressed by the new loudspeakers and the clever alignment of the new tweeters > Pianist is now sitting in the very center now :-).

Ah and the little KAWAI logos on every "hidden end" of the white keytops…

Galuwen - sorry now I am over-enthusiastic :-)
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 09:24 PM
I was very disappointed when I sat down to play a CLP 685, I found the speakers to sound like they were actually facing away from me, does the sound from the CA99 feel more direct and realistic in your opinion?
The Yamaha is known for its bright character. But all I could hear was muffled sound. Thanks
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 09:24 PM
Glad it was fixed, hurray!

Originally Posted by Galuwen
He took (key by key) all black keys out, checked every part and … also checked that enough of the white grease is between keystick pivot and hammer and putted them back in place and HURRAY > ALL DISTURBING NOISES ARE 100% GONE.

Btw, this would mark quite a change from the GF-1 and GF-2, which has explicit instructions to NOT apply any grease between the keystick tape and the capstan on the hammer. I guess the change to the plastic sleeve around the key now utilizes some grease.
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 10:23 PM
@ InspiredbyKawai
Yes, definitely, the sound is incredible when you sit down at the piano playing it ! More than just the sound you get the vibrations from the soundboard (at least for me with the CA99)

@ Galuwen
Very happy for you and reassured to see that the pbm was entirely fixed. At the same time i wonder if i could get such a good technician showing up to my place (in France next to the swiss border) in case i have such an issue.
I was actually wondering if it is easy to open the CA99 as i just cannot see how/where to open the top or the keyboard or even the bottom part. Everything seems to be just 1 piece. I can understand you almost got an attack at seeing the technician dismantle it ...

Overall, i am still super happy with the CA99 and really think this is closer to a great piano than to a digital piano.
My only concern is that it seems quite sophisticated both from a digital and mechanical perspectives therefore i hope it can last long and the mechanic part will not suffer with time (grease, small noises, frictions, etc ...). I am sure they test the pianos and simulate 10-20 years of playing agressively before releasing them so should be fine, but time will tell !
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/13/20 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Glad it was fixed, hurray!

Originally Posted by Galuwen
He took (key by key) all black keys out, checked every part and … also checked that enough of the white grease is between keystick pivot and hammer and putted them back in place and HURRAY > ALL DISTURBING NOISES ARE 100% GONE.

Btw, this would mark quite a change from the GF-1 and GF-2, which has explicit instructions to NOT apply any grease between the keystick tape and the capstan on the hammer. I guess the change to the plastic sleeve around the key now utilizes some grease.


What I can say and saw: The new GFIII looks totally free of adjustment. Just perfect out of the box. There is even an split cushion to dampen the fallback of the hammer weight. And the new pivot definetly had grease on it :-).

At the end of the day there is no rubbery feelling of the silikon pad any more. Really feels like a perfectly regulated grand action.

Also my all time favorit editor of okey! magazin simply called it the most realistic action of all Kawai digital instruments- if not of all brands- so far (there was a test if the CA99 in the last issue)...and I would like to agree.

Galuwen
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 12:04 AM
So this grease - that probably means that the keyboard has to be periodically disassembled and serviced?
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 12:18 AM
Galuwen,

So this Markus guy, did he ask you not to take pictures and not to record a 4K video in your own home?
What's the deal with that? Where are the autopsy pictures?
Posted By: RCKFlorida Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 12:37 AM
I had a similar issue with a DP in the past. In my case, the pedal bolt was over tighten. I would suggest loosening the bolt and only tighten the necessary amount so that the pedal assembly doesn't move when pressed.
Posted By: jeffcat Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Also my all time favorit editor of okey! magazin simply called it the most realistic action of all Kawai digital instruments- if not of all brands- so far (there was a test if the CA99 in the last issue)...and I would like to agree.

Galuwen

how's that possible when kawai makes the millennium 3.
Posted By: Tyr Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:11 AM
Originally Posted by jeffcat
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Also my all time favorit editor of okey! magazin simply called it the most realistic action of all Kawai digital instruments- if not of all brands- so far (there was a test if the CA99 in the last issue)...and I would like to agree.

Galuwen

how's that possible when kawai makes the millennium 3.

It seems someone is in a heavy Honeymoon Phase.... wink
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:17 AM
thank you, will try (provided i can find how to access the pedal mechanism !!!)
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:23 AM
Thomas Karasek's Review in the last edition of Okey! Magazin (sorry its a German Magazine but one can translate maybe):


Das CA99 ist zweifellos das neue Flaggschiff der CA-Serie. Dieses luxuriös ausge-
stattete Digitalpiano bietet die beste Klangqualität, Tastatur- und Wiedergabe-
Technologie, die Kawai derzeit zu bieten hat. Die Grand Feel 3 Tastatur ist für mich
derzeit die beste Tastatur in einem Digitalpiano und nochmals eine deutliche
Verbesserung zum Vorgänger. Sie lässt sich ausdrucksstark und dynamisch sehr
präzise spielen. Man könnte provokant formulieren: wer es nicht besser weiß,
glaubt ein akustisches Klavier zu sehen, zu hören, und zu spielen. Mit Features wie
5” Touchscreen, Bluetooth MIDI & Audio (inkl. aptX Support!) oder der neuen
“Piano Remote”-App für Smartphones/Tablets beweist Kawai, dass man technologi-
sche Trends erkennt und in die eigenen Instrumente implementiert. In der Tat: Man
kann Gutes also doch noch besser machen… Chapeau!

Galuwen

Translation:


The CA99 is without doubt the new flagship of the CA series. This luxuriously designed digital piano offers the best sound quality, keyboard and playback Technology that Kawai currently has to offer. The Grand Feel 3 keyboard is for me currently the best keyboard in a digital piano and again a clear Improvement over the predecessor. It can be very expressive and dynamic very play precisely. One could provocatively put it this way: those who don't know better, believes to see, hear, and play an acoustic piano. With features like 5" touchscreen, Bluetooth MIDI & Audio (incl. aptX support!) or the new "Piano Remote" app for smartphones/tablets, Kawai proves that you can use technology- trends and implement them in its own instruments. In fact, one can make a good thing better... chapeau!
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:28 AM
Decade after decade it's the same bullcrud:
"... those who don't know better, believes to see, hear, and play an acoustic piano." (cringe)

That's not a review, is it? It's either ...
(a) hackneyed trade gibberish, regurgitated again and again
or
(b) crap prose lifted from a press release.

Pull up some "review" or promotional material from 1985 and see whether you find the same words spoken about those digital pianos.
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:50 AM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Decade after decade it's the same bullcrud:
"... those who don't know better, believes to see, hear, and play an acoustic piano." (cringe)

That's not a review, is it? It's either ...
(a) hackneyed trade gibberish, regurgitated again and again
or
(b) crap prose lifted from a press release.

Pull up some "review" or promotional material from 1985 and see whether you find the same words spoken about those digital pianos.
+1
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 10:09 AM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Decade after decade it's the same bullcrud:
"... those who don't know better, believes to see, hear, and play an acoustic piano." (cringe)

That's not a review, is it? It's either ...
(a) hackneyed trade gibberish, regurgitated again and again
or
(b) crap prose lifted from a press release.

Pull up some "review" or promotional material from 1985 and see whether you find the same words spoken about those digital pianos.

Or....open the purse and buy a new Piano :-).

Galuwen

P.S: In fact that is one of the only honest reviews. If you read the full article he comes to 1 1/2!! pages of totally destroying the Touchscreen and new UI of the CA99 :-(. That is maybe the reason why Kawai Germany does NOT relink this article on their homepage....
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
If you read the full article he comes to 1 1/2!! pages of totally destroying the Touchscreen and new UI of the CA99 :-(. That is maybe the reason why Kawai Germany does NOT relink this article on their homepage....
Better not show it to Kawai James! And it doesn't sound like an acoustic to me.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
And it doesn't sound like an acoustic to me.
But it is an acoustic.
You hit a key, and the sound board vibrates.
The only difference is that they use a different transducer technology.
In old-style acoustic the transducer consists of straight strings.
Here, the transducer is round and being round it makes it quicker to change temperament.
It is an accident that Bartolomeo Cristofori came up with that other stringy transducer, he could have invented the round one instead. But he perhaps was influenced by harpsichord which already had strings as its transducer.
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
And it doesn't sound like an acoustic to me.
But it is an acoustic.
You hit a key, and the sound board vibrates.
The only difference is that they use a different transducer technology.
In old-style acoustic the transducer consists of straight strings.
Here, the transducer is round and being round it makes it quicker to change temperament.
It is an accident that Bartolomeo Cristofori came up with that other stringy transducer, he could have invented the round one instead. But he perhaps was influenced by harpsichord which already had strings as its transducer.
Very good! Obviously I have cloth ears.
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 01:47 PM
Thanks for sharing this article Galuwen and for translating for the non-german speakers !
I tend to agree again with my own experience of almost 1 week with the CA99:

- clearly very very strong on the touch (GFIII) and the sound (the best of all digital pianos or not i can't say as i haven't tried them all, but for sure clearly better than most accoustic pianos and very very realistic)

- not so strong on the UI and touchscreen: to be honest when the benchmark is Apple iphones/ipad, Kawai tried to do their own touchscreen so clearly not at the same level ... and the possibilities (recording quite limited, accompagnements limited, etc ...) could have been expected better (they are already much better than most Yamaha's CLP or Avant Grand though).

Just tried today (while my wife was outside ...) without headphones to play some jazz with piano sound on the right and wood-bass with ride on the left hand. To be honest this was just outstanding and it felt like i had a real wood bass playing next to me ...
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 03:54 PM
It would have been nice for them to include a breathy tenor sax, just for the split keyboard mode.
I'm keeping my Casio PX-330 (or replacing it with PX-S3000) just for that.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 04:09 PM
I've got a Casio px 735, do you consider this to be a significant upgrade over the privia range?
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 04:13 PM
true, there is no trumpet or tenor sax sound in the sound options.
This may come later through an update of the software ?
This is typically where i would say that i was expecting Kawai to come with much more modern and advanced options on the software.
It doesn't cost much to add a few more instruments.
Even my Yamaha P-120S (bought 15y ago) had a greater variety of instruments.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
I've got a Casio px 735, do you consider this to be a significant upgrade over the privia range?
You mean, if PX-S3000 is a significant upgrade?
Let's see.

The piano samples, although not recorded again, are probably improved. Similarly as in Kawai.
And, of course, the main piano remains the same, a Hamburg Steinway.
The AiR engine, responsible for playing piano sounds, has been improved. It could probably be called AiR 2.
For other instruments (700 instruments altogether) AiX engine is now used.
It is promoted as an important leap in terms of quality, realism and expressiveness of the sound.

And there is the new keyboard action. Which is controversial.
First, the length of already short keys reduced by 1/8 of an inch.
Second, instead of 3 sensors, only 2 sensors are used, although Casio claims their new 2-sensor solution is better than the previous 3-sensor solution.
Third, the black keys are lighter than white keys.
To me it looks perhaps like an advantage: the black keys are shorter (when all the keys are very short already) and they are higher located than white keys. So they require more effort to press. Making them lighter compensates for that, and evens out the required effort.
It is probably the best solution in the situation where there are no good solutions.
But not everybody likes that.

As to other things, there are more rhythms with a backup band, more melodic presets with chord progressions, added arpeggiator with 100 types of arpeggios / harmonizer.
But it seems that the rhythm editor and the melodic preset editor have been removed.
User rhythms and user melodic presets are no longer possible.
I hope I am wrong, but it seems to me that way.
And also it seems that, even though there are now more melodic presets, but the melodic preset for Autumn Leaves is now missing, unless it was renamed to some generic non-descriptive name. Previously it was named "Leaf". So it is missing and you cannot add it yourself. A double blow frown
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
true, there is no trumpet or tenor sax sound in the sound options.
This may come later through an update of the software ?
Very unlikely. Perhaps they can be added from outside. Midi -> out, Line In -> in.

Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
This is typically where i would say that i was expecting Kawai to come with much more modern and advanced options on the software.
It doesn't cost much to add a few more instruments.
Even my Yamaha P-120S (bought 15y ago) had a greater variety of instruments.
Even Kawai ES8 does not have them. Which is way more strange than CA99 not having them.
Posted By: mwf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
I tend to agree again with my own experience of almost 1 week with the CA99:

- clearly very very strong on the touch (GFIII) and the sound (the best of all digital pianos or not i can't say as i haven't tried them all, but for sure clearly better than most accoustic pianos and very very realistic)

You seriously mean that? I've heard nothing quite as ridiculous as this on all my time in these forums over the years.

Better than most acoustic pianos... It has probably a 50-100mb or less piano sample in it and sounds merely OK for a digital let alone a good acoustic, which it can't compete with a fraction of a percent! Sure it sounds OK through the speakers but there is a lot missing from the sound you only get on an acoustic piano.

You're living in a different dimension my friend if you seriously think it can compete with a good grand or a good upright.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
I've got a Casio px 735, do you consider this to be a significant upgrade over the privia range?
Oh, I forgot.
PX-S3000 has a DSP with a chain of 4 effect modules.
There are 100 ready made presets, but you also can tweak the effects yourself.
Use a chain of up to 4 modules, assign effects to your chain, and then you also can tweak parameters of each effect.
You can assign parameters to two knobs and use them while playing.
Well, actually you cannot specifically choose what parameters to assign to the knobs, the big brother Casio chooses the most appropriate ones for the DSP effects being used.
But you can tweak all of them without the knobs.
Also, DSP tweaking is not supported by the iOS/android app. Everything else is pretty much on your tablet, but not the DSP effect tweaking.

Sorry, all this stuff about PX-S3000 is clearly off-topic.
I am writing this while waiting for my CA99 to arrive smile
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by mwf
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
...clearly better than most acoustic pianos and very very realistic)
You're living in a different dimension my friend if you seriously think it can compete with a good grand or a good upright.

Most pianos are not "good" as you put it. Most are out of tune otherwise already mediocre pianos.
He did not write "most of good pianos".

And remember, we are talking about CA99 here. Not about CA79.
CA99 is, in a sense, an acoustic piano itself.
It has a spruce sound board. That board is vibrating and creating overtones, additional to those that are present in the recorded samples or produced by resonance modeling.
CA99 becomes alive when you play it.
Well, I hope so. I am still waiting for mine smile
Posted By: mwf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:42 PM
Nonsense, complete nonsense.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by mwf
Nonsense, complete nonsense.
The next thing you will say there is no Santa Claus.
Posted By: ˆTomLCˆ Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 09:05 PM
Where are you Pete? The opinions stated sound like if you have a soundboard (CA99) and you add it to an acoustic piano action. You have an acoustic piano! Oh! That’s an NV5! I need a good laugh!

(This virus s_it is getting on my nerves.).
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
Originally Posted by mwf
Nonsense, complete nonsense.
The next thing you will say there is no Santa Claus.


Hey my friend,

don't let you drag you down. I can tell (and I am using acoustic and digital pianos since so many Years) we are testing here at my dealers location since years real grands, uprights and digitals side by side (read and watch therefore my reviews on the german kawai forum).

You can trust me: You cant find a digital piano in the moment (including the Yamaha N3X) that is as close as the CA99 to a high end Kawai Grand.
.
Specially when it comes to realism of resonance and sound.

You have the advantage (aside from tuning) that you can scale the loudness to your room size w/o changing the sound (try that with a real SK EX).

You can whilst playing experince the perfectly balanced sound impression on the best place in the audience (not the frontal and brute sound sitting in front of a concert grand)...that is built to project the sound to the audience and after distributing in the room unfolds its magic at that very point. Try that with a real Fazioli.

You have the full rich sound from base to the top end of an perfectly sampled Grand Piano.

No typically slightly detuned underpowerd bass end of an upright.

No vertical spring applied upright action, but a fantastic as close as possible horizontale (blanced by gravity) action with outstanding response and hires (1024) midi sensor system working both down and upward to maximize the integration with the high end onkyo driven physical modelling engine.

A double half pedal system as accurately playable as I have ever experinced.

You can with a tip of a finger change to different pianos ...from a subtile closed studio with a marvelous intime Jazz Piano ... as realistic that closing your eyes you can hear Marlene Dietrich singing with you.

Milliseconds later on the fly the sound processors stepplesly blend to a giant full size Shigeru Kawai EX Grand placed on stage in one of the most prominent Concert halls in the world. With thundering bass and endless deep middle range plus ultra realistic aliquote resonating top end.

Over all this marvels of 360 degree high end HIFI
acoustics you can feel in every fingertip and even your feet the 3D contoured vibrations of virtual strings so realistic that shivers go down your back.

The unbeatable point about all this (and I REALLY mean it) you KNOW I am right because you experienced it from the first note you played and the magic of the new Concert Artist got you. Deep in your heart and it will never let you go.

You simply owning one of the (and more and more I come to the conclusion..) THE pinnacle of concert ready hybrid pianos available.

Thus is just my analytic and total honest and unemotional experience and opinion.

Galuwen
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 09:42 PM
I would agree to an extent, I've played second hand uprights that are very out of tune sounding and just can't tap into that piano growl that you get from high end grands.
Some recent digitals I believe are closer to that sound.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 09:49 PM
My apologies, I meant would you consider the CA99 a significant upgrade over the privia range. But thank you for your very detailed answer 😁 I gotten really bored of this sound and action over the years to the extent it feels like I'm just playing a toy imitation keyboard. I played a kawai KDP 80 I think it's called? Back in 2012 and thought it sounded divine even if the touch felt unnaturally light. Finally a digital that at least to my ear faithfully reproduces a good warm grand.
The NU1X I played felt so mechanical and un-piano like. Back in the day I played a Yamaha CLP 500 series, and that kawai entry level smoked all of them imo.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 10:45 PM


The details about the effect I mentioned "the pianists seat is the worst place in the house" is explained in that video at 07:30.

Galuwen
Posted By: mwf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 11:30 PM
There is not enough information in the samples on these pianos to make them anything but poor imitations of the real thing...this is why they sound so poor when you listen to a recording of them. Listen to a good vst back and the detail is like night and day. Speakers and cabinet can't cover up low memory sample sets, not to my ears anyway, and most professionals. Serious music producers would never use a kawai ca99 to record a record in a studio, yes they sound amazing to an extent live, but when you listen back via wave/mp3 recording they show their true nature. And you pay all this money for lazy half arsed piano companies to make poor quality products that cost nothing to make and charge thousands in a shop, complete con artists really. When you listen to these digital pianos properly you realise they are missing so much but fool the player with the eq'd speakers making it sound better than it actually is.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/14/20 11:49 PM
Yes, limited sample size is the bane of these pianos, and the impetus for my use of virtual instruments.

@mwf: As bad as these digital pianos may seem to you, they used to be worse. Much worse.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 12:13 AM
If it were possible to compress the sound of a traditional acoustic and play it through wave/MP3 it would most likely highlight the flaws of the construction, and though it may sound somewhat richer tone, It would highlight the tuning issues that sub standard uprights suffer from. The CA99 would have a more clean and defined sound.
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
...clearly better than most acoustic pianos and very very realistic)

Lol, this cracked me up. You clearly have never played an acoustic before. How can you seriously say a recording of the real thing is better than the real thing. I hope you were joking. Don't get me wrong, the CA99 is a nice DP and I have actually tried it in person but you are kidding yourself if you think it's better than the real thing. It doesn't even have a real action like hybrids which are much much closer.
Posted By: terminaldegree Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:47 AM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
My apologies, I meant would you consider the CA99 a significant upgrade over the privia range.

Uh...yeah. Definitely. As reflected in the comparative pricing...
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:58 AM
Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
My apologies, I meant would you consider the CA99 a significant upgrade over the privia range.

Uh...yeah. Definitely. As reflected in the comparative pricing...

Lol. Yes, if you're looking at Casio, the Celviano GP-510 is probably a good comparison to the CA-99.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 03:59 AM
Originally Posted by mwf
There is not enough information in the samples on these pianos to make them anything but poor imitations of the real thing...this is why they sound so poor when you listen to a recording of them. Listen to a good vst back and the detail is like night and day. Speakers and cabinet can't cover up low memory sample sets, not to my ears anyway, and most professionals. Serious music producers would never use a kawai ca99 to record a record in a studio, yes they sound amazing to an extent live, but when you listen back via wave/mp3 recording they show their true nature. And you pay all this money for lazy half arsed piano companies to make poor quality products that cost nothing to make and charge thousands in a shop, complete con artists really. When you listen to these digital pianos properly you realise they are missing so much but fool the player with the eq'd speakers making it sound better than it actually is.

You own and refer to what instrument?

Galuwen
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 04:09 AM
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
My apologies, I meant would you consider the CA99 a significant upgrade over the privia range.

Uh...yeah. Definitely. As reflected in the comparative pricing...

Lol. Yes, if you're looking at Casio, the Celviano GP-510 is probably a good comparison to the CA-99.
Yes, and I was sooo close to buying one instead of CA99.
For that, GP-510 only needed to add a spruce sound board and also the fourth, Fazioli, piano to their Bechstein, Steinway and Bösendorfer. I couldn't have resisted that. Escapement or no escapement.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 04:10 AM
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
...clearly better than most acoustic pianos and very very realistic)

Lol, this cracked me up. You clearly have never played an acoustic before. How can you seriously say a recording of the real thing is better than the real thing. I hope you were joking. Don't get me wrong, the CA99 is a nice DP and I have actually tried it in person but you are kidding yourself if you think it's better than the real thing. It doesn't even have a real action like hybrids which are much much closer.

Sorry my posting was 93% adressed to ag_jazz_piano (measured on true sample size :-)).

Please refer to my "unbeatable point"

Have fun with your new CA99 (like I do).

Galuwen (Kremsegg!! Austria)
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 09:17 AM
maybe my wording was not right (not native english speaker): what i meant is that it is definitely better than most average acoustic pianos.
Of course a real high quality grand piano is much better (SK, Steinway, Bosendorfer, Yamaha CX).
But what i mean is that if you can only afford an average 3-4'000 EUR acoustic upright, i believe the CA99 is better !
Hope this clarifies.
Posted By: ECBetancor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 09:40 AM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
maybe my wording was not right (not native english speaker): what i meant is that it is definitely better than most average acoustic pianos.
Of course a real high quality grand piano is much better (SK, Steinway, Bosendorfer, Yamaha CX).
But what i mean is that if you can only afford an average 3-4'000 EUR acoustic upright, i believe the CA99 is better !
Hope this clarifies.

What acoustic uprights can we afford at 4000 EUR? Yamaha B1? Kawai K-200?
I'm asking just to have a rough idea of the acoustic instruments alternatives
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 10:06 AM
Speaking for me (not for mwf) ... yes, it clarifies ... a little bit. But I don't agree.

Whether you refer to a 3000-4000 EUR new piano (which is low-end) or a used upright in that price range (which might have cost 8000 EUR or more when new), the acoustics outperform any digital I've ever laid hands on.

Even the Novus cannot compare. It has an unbeatable action ... and very beatable sound.

Even the best VSTs don't quite do it, though they come close.

But digitals just don't come close. Speakers are inadequate, and small sample sizes don't cut it.
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 10:26 AM
yes, i mean price for a new accoustic piano.
Basically to be super clear, if you are to buy a new accoustic piano for the same price as the ca99 (i.e. around 3'500-4'000 EUR), i believe the sound and touch experience of the CA99 is much better.
Now of course if you buy a used Yamaha U1 or U3 for 4'000 EUR, depending on its state, the sound experience can be much better than any digital piano for sure.

To get the same or better quality of touch and sound as the CA99 on a real accoustic piano (new), you need to cash out at least 8'000-10'000 EUR (basically referring to Yamaha's U1, U3, YUS, etc ...). Below that price (for a new piano) i believe you're better off with the CA99.

But again, it depends on each person's objective (are you looking for the sound, the touch, the connectivity ? do you play 80% with headphones or without, etc ...).
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 10:44 AM
For 8000-10000 € you can get Kawai K-500. Perhaps even K-500 Aures. Almost K-800.
With Millennium III upright action.
Of course, there is a question if with Aures it sounds as good as without Aures. The sound board is somewhat compromised by the transducers, isn't it?
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 01:00 PM
Ok I'd break this comparison digital-acoustic to this:
sound behaviour is better on any acoustic for obvious reasons
sound frequency range will be better on CA9x because it's not limited by string length so you don't need concert grand piano(which costs >70000$)to get that deep nice bass sound
sound quality- worse than any acoustic because of speaker/samples limitations
action responsiveness- better on CA9x than most upright pianos but worse than good regulated grand piano(which is much more expensive than CA99)
action feeling- different than acoustic instruments but still good on it's own
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 01:32 PM
@ Nordomus
This is well summarized.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 01:39 PM
@Norodomus: I agree with parts of what you said, and disagree with others. Like anyone else I have opinions, right?

@ag_jazz_piano: But is it well summarized? Or is it completely subjective?

Mostly it's a set of generalizations so broad that you could invert each statement and still call it true.

And that's largely because words like better/worse have no quantitative grounding.

And because even those words are watered down by phrases like "better than most". Just where are these "most" pianos against which you compare?

If, instead, you say that these findings apply to the set of pianos you've worked with, then it's a nice set of opinions.
But broad brush generalizations make for meaningless banter.
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 01:59 PM
@ Flyingblind

Regarding your question ("I use my iPad to practice duets that are mostly midi files, not great. I had some idea I could route these files or maybe better quality through the piano. Not expecting the keys to move but for me it would be better to practice with the sound coming out of the piano. Is this possible?")

I have tried today to play some music from my iphone on the CA99 and it works. I used the App Tomplay (which allows you to play the piano with the orchestra in the background) and it allowed me to play the piano score on the CA while the orchestra was also playing on the CA.

Hope this helps.
Antoine
Posted By: mwf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:01 PM
Still makes me laugh that these dp defenders are not mentioning the low sample sizes built into these blocks of wood and plastic. It's not rocket science, you're playing on the equivalent of a commodore 64 in today's world, when you should be at least paying and playing for a PS4 at the very least at this price.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
If, instead, you say that these findings apply to the set of pianos you've worked with, then it's a nice set of opinions.
But broad brush generalizations make for meaningless banter.

Yeah you are obviously right about that but it's hard to list all instruments to comparison. Almost impossible to do that kind of listing without generalizations. The only true generalization I've used is about action responsiveness. When I say most upright pianos I mean most of those bellow 7000$ price point or something like that(used and new). In other points I've listed it's like comparing what is faster, bicycle or car. While you can always find example that will say that bicycle is faster than car(very good bicycle and very bad and breaking car) BUT general answer will be simple and I'm sticking by it.
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
maybe my wording was not right (not native english speaker): what i meant is that it is definitely better than most average acoustic pianos.
Of course a real high quality grand piano is much better (SK, Steinway, Bosendorfer, Yamaha CX).
But what i mean is that if you can only afford an average 3-4'000 EUR acoustic upright, i believe the CA99 is better !
Hope this clarifies.

ag_jazz_piano, I'm not attacking you and would actually really like to understand your rationale. You can read my thread here where i set out to get a high-end DP like CA79/CA99 but then tried an acoustic for the first time and immediately changed my mind. I played all of them in the same setting and the CA79/CA99 didn't compare to any acoustic in the show room. Not even a K200.

I'm not a pro-acoustic shun-digital guy. You can see I also have a P-515. If noise wasn't a factor and I didn't occasionally need other voices, I would probably not play the P-515. I still like digitals and actually liked the CA79/CA99 when i tried them in the store. There is a fundamental flaw in your argument, a recording of a real thing can never be better than the real thing.

Maybe you need to tell yourself this to feel better about your CA99 purchase which might be a bit odd since the CA99 is itself a nice DP without needing to compare it to an acoustic. But please, it's not better than an acoustic, not even uprights.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
But please, it's not better than an acoustic, not even uprights.
And that is the biggest generalization smile
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:27 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
But please, it's not better than an acoustic, not even uprights.
And that is the biggest generalization smile

Ok, let's get into some specifics and stick with just Kawai. Let's also exclude grands because everyone knows grands have better action and more open sound than uprights. Let's pick the base model professional upright series from Kawai, K200.

In your opinion, is the CA79/CA99 better than the K200? If so, please tell me what you are basing this on and whether or not you have tried both in person.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
But please, it's not better than an acoustic, not even uprights.
And that is the biggest generalization smile


Oh my gosh ...what have we done :-p.

For Gods sake nobody talks about my points here from a technical view point.

*ducks away*

Galuwen (in small letters)
Posted By: Martinez Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:46 PM
My Kawai CA79 is the best piano in my neighborhood smile
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 02:49 PM
Whenever I hear professional uprights on the internet they sound unregulated and out of tune, even the ones which claim to have just recently been tuned, which tells me they're just fundamentally inferior to a good grand piano. I wouldn't be able to tell much difference between a new K300 and the decades old oustics at my old school.
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Whenever I hear professional uprights on the internet they sound unregulated and out of tune, even the ones which claim to have just recently been tuned, which tells me they're just fundamentally inferior to a good grand piano. I wouldn't be able to tell much difference between a new K300 and the decades old oustics at my old school.

So you are basing this on what you have heard on the internet. Wouldn't such an evaluation warrant trying them out in person before coming to such a conclusion. Grands are better than uprights. They have better action because of gravity assist and their sound is more open. No one is arguing that.

I'm honestly not even sure why we are having this discussion. Matter of fact, i thought these discussions were sacrosanct on PW which is why there are separate sections for acoustics and digitals. Why can't DP owners just enjoy their DP without comparing it to an acoustic. I mean why does it even have to be a competition. They both have their usefulness.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
In your opinion, is the CA79/CA99 better than the K200? If so, please tell me what you are basing this on and whether or not you have tried both in person.
I've listed my comparison so there is your answer, in terms of key responsiveness and sound frequencies I'm almost sure CA99 is actually better. But not in other points.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Whenever I hear professional uprights on the internet they sound unregulated and out of tune, even the ones which claim to have just recently been tuned, which tells me they're just fundamentally inferior to a good grand piano. I wouldn't be able to tell much difference between a new K300 and the decades old oustics at my old school.


Every Upright sounds a bit like that :-). Except Kawai.

Galuwen
Posted By: pianogabe Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
action feeling- different than acoustic instruments but still good on it's own

An important consideration for some at least, when comparing an acoustic and digital, is the effect the action has on your finger joints. Others have said this on this forum before, and I actually was skeptical at first, but it may matter for those of use who are older (probably especially beginners) or who have a predisposition for osteoarthritis (look at the hands of your parents).

I had a CA58 (digital), and was getting serious problems with my finger joints; I tried everything to improve it, including medical help, but to no avail. I was about to give up on piano playing (ouch, I really like it), until someone here (SpanishBuddah) mentioned that digital actions are much worse in this respect than acoustic ones. That had never occurred to me. Another post later confirmed this idea to me, and after comparing many pianos, actionwise, I took a chance and bought an acoustic (K300) with silent system. I can confirm that for me this is a night and day difference. Problems are virtually gone (although existing damage does not become better...), no inflammation any more.

Of course most people will not have problems with digital actions, and perhaps this cannot be generalized to a contrast between all digitals and all acoustics (and hybrids), but I think it is something very important to consider if you believe you are in a risk category. I very much wish I had known this before and my first piano would have been an acoustic (or hybrid).

Oh and the sound....., also night and day smile
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
In your opinion, is the CA79/CA99 better than the K200? If so, please tell me what you are basing this on and whether or not you have tried both in person.
I've listed my comparison so there is your answer, in terms of key responsiveness and sound frequencies I'm almost sure CA99 is actually better. But not in other points.

Hmm, that's interesting. I'm assuming your comparison is based on having tried both in person in the same setting, preferably side-by-side. I tried the CA79/CA99 and K200/K300 in the same setting on the same day and my impression couldn't be more different. If memory serves me right, the bass notes on even the K200 was more thunderous than the CA79/CA99. To put things into perspective, i went into the showroom ready to purchase a CA79/CA99 but ended up with a K300 instead. I partly agree with you on the key responsiveness. The single-escapement action on uprights is a limitation that takes some getting used to as it can lead to ghost notes. I'm still getting used to that. However, i will still take that any day over the action of the CA79/CA99 because to me, they felt very spongy and less crisp. This is of course subjective.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't expect you to agree with mine. It's nice to see different points of view smile. I think this is why it's important for potential buyers to actually try it in person before buying and not rely on what someone is saying on the internet including moi.
Posted By: ECBetancor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by pianogabe
I had a CA58 (digital), and was getting serious problems with my finger joints ... bought an acoustic (K300) ... Problems are virtually gone

Really? That's pretty interesting
What can be the reason for that? I mean mechanically or anatomically. Did it take more effort to play the digital?
Posted By: ECBetancor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 05:17 PM
I found and read this post by CyberGene explaining it
Now I think I understand it better. He goes to say that we always have to hold all the weight in a digital, even at the bottom.
Or maybe that's not all the reason.
Posted By: CyberGene Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by ECBetancor
I found and read this post by CyberGene explaining it
Now I think I understand it better. He goes to say that have always have to hold all the weight in a digital, even at the bottom.
I’m glad you found this post useful, however it has been already noted by others, and admitted by me, that I’ve used too strong words to express my opinion and thus created a bit misleading impression that regular digital pianos are “bad” (indeed, that’s a too strong word in the title).
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 05:22 PM
@ major_key_minor
Thanks for your comments and i also went to read the threat you indicated.
I think this thread is not about comparing digital to accoustic indeed so i believe it is best for all of us to come back to the topic (CA79/99 owners club). But in my opinion, discussing digital vs. accoustic is not useless at all in such a forum. After reading your thread i realize we are not in the same situation and don't have the same background, but both of us did change opinion between getting a digital or an accoustic. I am an intermediate/advance player, studied on accoustic for years and don't mistaken me, i love accoustic pianos. Whenever i travel for work, i always stop at the closest Steinway flagship and play (i've been to their flagship in New York, Beijing and Paris) and my dream is still to get a grand Steinway one day.
In my recent purchase, i was just about to buy a 1-year old used-Yamaha YUS1 TA2 (transacoustic - same concept as Kawai Aures).
The reason i went for a digital (CA99) vs. an accoustic is that i believe i am going to move internationally soon again (DP are easier to move) and also because eventually i have to play 80% with headphones.
Having a Kawai Aures or a Yamaha silent/transacoustic (which if you buy new is 2 to 3 times the price of the CA99) to play 80% with headphones would actually be a pity for me.
So I went on with the CA99.

But all of this to say that it is actually relevant to discuss the choice DP vs. accoustic whether for beginners or advanced players because i sincerely believe that today some DPs are better than or can really compete with some accoustic, but of course, depending on your own criteria and objectives.

Personnally i have pleasure playing on my CA99 and i can tell you i have played some used Yamaha U1 accoustic that did not give me as much pleasure. But of course, if you ask me to choose between a new/good Yamaha YUS or a Bechtein and a DP, there is no comparison indeed !

Ask an e-formula 1 driver to compare it with a real engine formula 1 ... not the same but you can have pleasure driving either of them !
I hope we close the topic here and again, i share with you that it is interesting to exchange opinions respectfully (which we both did).
And maybe you are right, in the back of my head i am probably trying to convince myself that i did the right purchase !!!
Posted By: pianogabe Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by CyberGene
I’m glad you found this post useful, however it has been already noted by others, and admitted by me, that I’ve used too strong words to express my opinion and thus created a bit misleading impression that regular digital pianos are “bad” (indeed, that’s a too strong word in the title).

Your post at least led me to think about the fundamental differences between the actions, and provided a possible mechanical explanation for observation by SpanishBuddah and others. Of course I do not know if this is the explanation, and probably one one knows it, but for me it was plausible enough to take the chance. I am very glad I did, so thanks for your post! I know that not everybody liked that post, but I disagree, to me it was fascinating, and in the end let to a solution that lets me keep on playing the piano.
Posted By: pianogabe Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by ECBetancor
Really? That's pretty interesting
What can be the reason for that? I mean mechanically or anatomically. Did it take more effort to play the digital?

Indeed I think that CyberGene's explanation is correct. I am not sure what the actual problem could be for your joints: more effort to keep a key down when it is depressed, or perhaps more likely, the fact that the DP key has more mass when it hits the bottom, which then bounces back into your fingers creating a higher impact.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:15 PM
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!

Beautiful playing, it's one of my favorites of all the submissions.

I also tried to blind-listen to the recital pieces, and try to tell if they're digital or acoustic pianos. Other than the VSTs, I find I tend to mistake the Kawai DPs for acoustic pianos more of the time.
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
@ major_key_minor
Thanks for your comments and i also went to read the threat you indicated.
I think...

Thanks for the dignified response. I had no idea about your background and you are obviously more experienced than i am. This makes your point of view even more interesting smile.

To me, rather than the comparison between digital and acoustic, the one thing i'm getting from all of this is how subjective sound and feel is. This is why it is so important for potential buyers to try before buying because at the end of the day, you should go with the instrument you like and are happy with and not what someone from the internet thinks you will like.

Enjoy your CA99!
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by Amy H
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!

Beautiful playing, it's one of my favorites of all the submissions.

I also tried to blind-listen to the recital pieces, and try to tell if they're digital or acoustic pianos. Other than the VSTs, I find I tend to mistake the Kawai DPs for acoustic pianos more of the time.

That is so kind of you to say, thank you!

Compared to my Yamaha P-45, the CA79 is amazing! I've not really heard many other Kawai's, but I'll give the submissions a listen and compare the sounds :-)
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!

Very nice smile. One day, i hope to be as good as you.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:35 PM
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
Hmm, that's interesting. I'm assuming your comparison is based on having tried both in person in the same setting, preferably side-by-side.

No I didn't have a chance to do that but I understand that k200 and k300 are simple acoustic instruments with height about 120 cm and so there is physics limitations bound to that, there is a reason why concert grand pianos have such big length, because of that lower and deeper frequencies can be achieved. It's simply impossible with shorter strings. I will try Kxxx series from Kawai when I will have chance but I've played a lot of acoustic uprights and even much higher ones and while some of them were really good considering strings length they were still pretty far behind big grand pianos and digitals with concert grand samples and good speaker system. Again I will underline that I'm only speaking about frequencies issue, like i said before in terms of sound projection, resonances etc. any acoustic will be better than even best digital. So I'm pretty sure what you mean by thunderous is that those frequencies were projected better and overall loudness was more impressive.
But you got me curious to compare those pianos so once quarantine is lifted I'd like to test them.
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
Hmm, that's interesting. I'm assuming your comparison is based on having tried both in person in the same setting, preferably side-by-side.

No I didn't have a chance to do that but I understand that k200 and k300 are simple acoustic instruments with height about 120 cm and so there is physics limitations bound to that, there is a reason why concert grand pianos have such big length, because of that lower and deeper frequencies can be achieved. It's simply impossible with shorter strings. I will try Kxxx series from Kawai when I will have chance but I've played a lot of acoustic uprights and even much higher ones and while some of them were really good considering strings length they were still pretty far behind big grand pianos and digitals with concert grand samples and good speaker system. Again I will underline that I'm only speaking about frequencies issue, like i said before in terms of sound projection, resonances etc. any acoustic will be better than even best digital. So I'm pretty sure what you mean by thunderous is that those frequencies were projected better and overall loudness was more impressive.
But you got me curious to compare those pianos so once quarantine is lifted I'd like to test them.

That's good to hear. Report back what you find. I'll definitely be interested in hearing your point of view after you try them out.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by major_key_minor
Originally Posted by Amy H
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!

Very nice smile. One day, i hope to be as good as you.

Thank you, but there are others MUCH better than me. Practice and you'll be just as good if not better! :-)
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by Amy H
Thank you, but there are others MUCH better than me. Practice and you'll be just as good if not better! :-)

Hahaha. I'll remember this one day.
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 09:01 PM
Amy, that is wonderful and so expressive!!

My CA79 was delivered TODAY! It's sitting in a large box in my entry way. I have a masked/gloved friend coming over tomorrow to help me assemble it.

Now I'm more excited than I was before after hearing you!

Amy - off topic, but is the sheet music for this piece available somewhere?
Posted By: ˆTomLCˆ Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 09:02 PM
I agree, Amy H. Beautifully played. Were you using the Classic rendering? How did you set reverb? Really nice sound and wonderful dynamics.
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by kimby
Amy - off topic, but is the sheet music for this piece available somewhere?

Thank you! It's a lovely piano to play :-)
I have the sheet music...and I am willing to share! I'll message you.

Originally Posted by TomLC
I agree, Amy H. Beautifully played. Were you using the Classic rendering? How did you set reverb? Really nice sound and wonderful dynamics.

Thank you, too! :-)
I believe it is Classic rendering. I've got a few user presets, so not entirely sure which one I used. If it's the one I think it is, then it was the SK-EX | Jazz Clean with Lounge reverb.
Posted By: Piligrim Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 09:42 PM
Thanks @Amy for beautiful demo.

To everybody who asking for the sheet music - Bluebird by Alexis Ffrench https://musescore.com/user/1496636/scores/5044925

To Kawai CA*9 owners - does GFIII feel spongy? Unfortunately, I have no chance to test GFIII, but GFII is so unnatural for me because of spongy effect.
Thanks
Posted By: ADWyatt Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/15/20 11:49 PM
[quote=Amy H][quote=major_key_minor][quote=Amy H]I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Amy, knowing what at least one of the tones sounds like directly from the CA79, I must say that I'm quite surprised. My CA65 was really a very good piano when it was first released for sale (and can still sound quite decent) but in no way can it equal the quality of the sample you've included. I never paid any real attention to videos of the CA79 on YouTube, since they're often manipulated, but this makes me really want to try it out when our music stores open for business.

Of course, I'll have to be careful to play when there are few people in the store. My aim someday would be to reach your level, and my teacher assures me that with practice anyone can accomplish wonders, but there's always a price to pay.
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 07:54 AM
Hello everyone, and thank you for allowing me into the forum.

I just received my Kawai CA79 Polished Ebony and it looks, feels and sounds great. This is the first time I've invested in a proper digital piano, and I'm very pleased with my purchase. I've included a few pictures in the below that do not do the ebony polish justice.

However, after having played the piano for a few days, I have noticed that the left-side speaker(s) are making this rattle noise when playing notes in the lower half of the piano. It is a kind of high-pitch and distinctive rattle noise that very clearly comes from the speakers. I have had my ear up close at different sections of the piano and stand, and I always end up "scanning" my way back to the left-side speakers.

It seems to stem from black speaker-mesh (not sure what else to call it) at the narrow gap on the front of the piano - not from the larger black-speaker mesh on the top back-side of the piano. Just to clarify, the rattle noise is not audible when wearing headphones, so it does not seem as it if is the piano sound itself.

I have tried some different speaker settings using the on-board control LCD, and what seems to at least make it a little less audible is to set "Speaker Volume" to "Low". I am unsure whether it is related to the sub on the piano.

As this is the first digital piano I have owned, I am not sure what the best course of action is here. Should I try to move the piano further away from the wall? Or should I simply call my dealership and ask for help?

The piano has been updated to latest software versions.

Here's a few images of the piano (I couldn't get images in the post to work, so here are some links). It just looks great.
Image 1
Image 2
Image 3
Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 09:04 AM
@Martin:
Sounds like a lose or not fully tightened screw somewhere.
Check also the bottom of the piano where it is attached to the stand. On my old CA 58 one of those screws was making this type of noise.
Hopefully it's nothing on the inside of the piano.

I have a Kawai in PE as well and it's really beautiful. Luckily I also didn't have any problems with sound or action and it's really really nice to play. Unbelievable joyful experience, especially when the volume is cranked up above 4 points :>

Here is mine btw: [Linked Image]
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
@Martin:
Sounds like a lose or not fully tightened screw somewhere.
Check also the bottom of the piano where it is attached to the stand. On my old CA 58 one of those screws was making this type of noise.
Hopefully it's nothing on the inside of the piano.

Thanks for the suggestion. I have just checked all screws on the underside of the piano where it meets the stand, and tightening them didn't seem to do the trick. When I put my ear close to the piano, it is very apparent that the rattling sound is coming from the left-side speaker, and specifically at the mesh on the front of the piano. It is also slightly audible at the right-side of the piano, but not nearly as much as on the left.

When I play loud (above 3-4 on the volume range), it becomes very apparent and messes with the clarity of the sound. Any suggestions to what I could try out next?
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 12:25 PM
I decided to just call my dealership. They said it might be a loose speaker caused by transportation mishandling. They asked that I send in a few videos of the issue and would be happy to visit me or replace the piano.

I'll keep updating in case someone else experiences this issue.
Posted By: Theinvisibleman Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 01:32 PM
Some great information! Thanks for this!
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 08:10 PM
Man the PE is really super beautiful! I JUST received my CA79 yesterday! And a friend (with 2 face masks on!) came over and helped me assemble it today.

I got the satin black, and it looks great and sounds wonderful.

Based on the feedback in this thread, I will try out each key to make sure I don't have any rattles or other sounds like others have had. If I do, it sounds like Kawai have been very responsive in solving any problems.

I haven't played in 2 years, so I'm looking forward to getting back in the game!
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 09:50 PM
So the face masks were satin black?
So are mine. Pittsburgh Steelers pattern. smile
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 11:50 PM
Heh heh heh TripleMac! You crack me up!!!
Posted By: ˆTomLCˆ Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/16/20 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
Here is mine btw: [Linked Image]

Wow! That is a nice looking piano. So much better looking than the CA97 I used to have.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by Amy H
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!

I'm a little, but just wanted to say thanks for sharing, Amy!
There's lots of "air" in that sound - something that I personally rather like. It also helps that the piece is beautifully played. Lovely, well done!

Cheers,
James
x
Posted By: navindra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 01:53 AM
Originally Posted by Amy H
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!

This sounds amazing. Bravissimo!
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 04:34 AM
@martin, I am having the exact same issue with my CA79. I even went to the dealership and played their ca79 and I’m actually hearing the same noise on their piano as well. It’s louder on the left side, and it comes from the same area your describing. It’s not very loud but now that I’ve heard it, I cannot un-hear it. I spoke with Alan Palmer at Kawai and he is sending some recordings of my piano to engineers in Japan, I’m waiting to hear back but I feel like it’s A defect of some sort, it definitely doesn’t sound “clean“ like I would expect for a piano of this quality. I also played a CA 58 at the piano store and it did not make the sound I’m hearing out of my 79. I have 15 days left to decide whether I will be keeping my piano so I’m hoping I hear something back soon. Has anyone else been experiencing the same thing with Their ca79?
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 05:25 AM
I just started playing my CA79 today and so far, I haven’t heard a rattle. Has a recording of this been posted so we can compare?

I also tested each key multiple times for the .. hm, tacky? Plastic? .. sound that some people were having wish some keys. No trouble here so far, thankfully!
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 06:14 AM
Try these links to hear the sound we are talking about. Sorry for the quality, I recorded it with my phone. The sound is faint, I would almost describe it as a stereo type buzz.

Sound 1

Ca79 noise
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by Khavens
@martin, I am having the exact same issue with my CA79. I even went to the dealership and played their ca79 and I’m actually hearing the same noise on their piano as well. It’s louder on the left side, and it comes from the same area your describing. It’s not very loud but now that I’ve heard it, I cannot un-hear it. I spoke with Alan Palmer at Kawai and he is sending some recordings of my piano to engineers in Japan, I’m waiting to hear back but I feel like it’s A defect of some sort, it definitely doesn’t sound “clean“ like I would expect for a piano of this quality. I also played a CA 58 at the piano store and it did not make the sound I’m hearing out of my 79. I have 15 days left to decide whether I will be keeping my piano so I’m hoping I hear something back soon. Has anyone else been experiencing the same thing with Their ca79?

Hi Khavens.
Sorry to hear that you are also experiencing this issue. I agree, once you hear the rattle, you cannot unhear it. And I agree that it does sound like a sort of stereo buzz or distortion.

I tried to record it using my phone as well, and it can be difficult to distinguish it from my microphone's static noise. But I feel that it is at least somewhat audible on video when playing Electric Piano due to the vibrato. It's definitely one of those sounds you would have to hear in real life to understand how annoying it is. See the video below:

Video of Kawai CA79 rattle

I will definitely refer to your forum post, Khavens, to provide an additional example of this issue.

Any chance that Kawai James could comment on this? Have you had other customers who experienced this with the Kawai CA79?
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 09:06 AM
Anybody tried to use Dexibell VIVO SX7 with its Platinum pianos in the loop with CA99?
So that you play on CA99, and the sounds of those Platinum pianos come back to vibrate the sound board of CA99.

This way, we would have not only 3(4) Kawais, but also a Yamaha, a Steinway, a Fazioli, a Bechstein, a Pleyel from 1850, and a Czech made upright with a huge sound board - all in pretty high quality. At least the sizes of those Platinum piano samples are probably not seen in hardware instruments, and plus, some pretty fancy modeling of resonances is applied as well.
You can also tweak those pianos in that box perhaps even more than Kawai pianos in CA99.
They call it T2L (True to Life) Modelling.

This box costs about 800 €, if you divide by 6 quality pianos (and possibly more in the future) - not so much, the price becomes comparable to decent software pianos.
And you can add your own (or somebody else's) instruments in SF2 format as well. Up to 1.5 GB in size. Actually the box comes with a number of already preloaded pianos. And there are more free pianos to download, but those (also free to download) Platinum pianos are much better.
The RAM in that box is 1.5 GB and the user flash memory also 1.5 GB.
When every phone has at least 8 GB of RAM...
Still, probably more than any hardware keyboard.

Unfortunately, in order to switch big pianos you first need to delete the current piano, to load a new piano to the onboard flash memory and then - to the RAM from there. This intermediate step seems really unnecessary.
It is like loading software pianos, even more hassle each time.
Well, perhaps some or all of those Platinum pianos fit into that box two at a time. Not sure.

I think, looping Dexibell VIVO SX7 with CA99 is really worth trying.
Because the sound quality of those Platinum pianos might be on par with the internal Kawais.

BTW, they offer a free app for iOS for Dexibell VIVO SX7 called "XMURE". It converts then your CA99 (in this case) into an arranger miracle. Here's how they rather modestly put it:
"XMURE is a revolution in automatic accompaniment. Arrangers will never be the same again, thanks to our patented, cutting edge technology – Harmony Poly-Fragmentor©, the first algorithm on the planet that can modify audio tracks in real time. This approach does not simulate reality, it is reality."
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
I'm a little, but just wanted to say thanks for sharing, Amy!
There's lots of "air" in that sound - something that I personally rather like. It also helps that the piece is beautifully played. Lovely, well done!
x

Thank you very much! I was also pleasantly surprised by the quality of sound from the CA79 - a joy to play! :-)

Originally Posted by navindra
This sounds amazing. Bravissimo!

Thank you, navindra! :-)
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 11:24 AM
I have also noticed a plastic-y clicking noise when releasing a specific F-key.

Here's a video where it can be heard. First time is at second 3-4.
Video
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 05:17 PM
So, if you open up your piano and fix it, you lose warranty?
It cannot be so, because you can open an acoustic grand any time you want to play.
You only need to remove all the pots with flowers first.
Is it another disadvantage of digital versus acoustic?
Posted By: terminaldegree Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
So, if you open up your piano and fix it, you lose warranty?
It cannot be so, because you can open an acoustic grand any time you want to play.
Is it another disadvantage of a digital versus acoustic?

It's not the same thing at all. Popping the action out of a grand piano and starting to manipulate things (assuming a person who didn't know what they were doing got the action out without breaking a bunch of hammers off in the process) isn't the same as opening the grand piano lid to have the sound propagate into the room differently. One is a service mode and the other is a normal decision the player makes at any time.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 05:47 PM
You can access a lot without popping out the action.
Speaking of which - another disadvantage of digital:
In almost any acoustic grand, you can replace the keyboard with a Steinbuhler's keyboard with 7/8 or 15/16 size keys. I mean, swap back and forth any time you want.
But not in a digital.
Posted By: terminaldegree Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
You can access a lot without popping out the action.
Huh?

Quote
Speaking of which - another disadvantage of digital:
In almost any acoustic grand, you can replace the keyboard with a Steinbuhler's keyboard with 7/8 or 15/16 size keys. I mean, swap back and forth any time you want.
But not in a digital.

You realize this option requires an investment of >$10k in the retrofit keyboard alone, and then you need to store it somewhere safely when you've swapped in the other one. Also, grand piano actions are heavy and difficult to handle safely unless you have an action caddy (again, expensive) or very long arms.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 06:06 PM
No.
Originally Posted by Parkher
So, if you open up your piano and fix it, you lose warranty?
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 06:12 PM
@martin Did you hear the Audio samples I posted above? Does this sound like the same issue your having? The sound is amplified/more noticeable when holding the sustain pedal.
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 06:29 PM
Boy that almost sounds like peaking / cutting off the amplitude of that speaker. (Sorry; I'm not entirely familiar with these kinds of things). But in the recording, to me, it sounds less like a "rattle" and more like an artifact of the speaker's being unable to handle what is being put through it.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 07:14 PM
Unlikely the speaker is not able to handle it, if it is working properly.
Possibly, the voice coil is touching something when moving.
I had such an issue with a speaker where I was able to unscrew some screws on the speaker itself and to center the voice coil better and then to fasten the screws again.
Or perhaps I moved the magnet slightly. Yes, more likely.
Something like that. It was pretty long ago. But the sound was similar.
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 08:04 PM
Good call, Parkher. So likely some sort of manufacturing defect of the speakers themselves, I suppose. Or probably just 1 speaker that's used on that side.

I haven't played with any sort of volume yet to determine whether I have this issue or not.
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 08:23 PM
It make the noise regardless of the volume, just more noticeable at higher volume levels
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/17/20 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Khavens
@martin Did you hear the Audio samples I posted above? Does this sound like the same issue your having? The sound is amplified/more noticeable when holding the sustain pedal.

I heard them, yes. I haven't been around a good pair of headphones today, so it was hard to say for sure based on my phone's speakers. The best way I can describe the rattle that in hearing is this: it sounds like something tiny metallic or plastic is vibrating or touching the speaker. It becomes more audible the higher the volume. I hear it in both the right and left side of the piano, but it's way more prominent in the left side.

I hope to speak to my dealership tomorrow. Will get back to you then.
Posted By: Damien PG Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/18/20 11:32 PM
Amy, thank you so much for sharing your recital of Bluebird. You play it beautifully. I had not heard this piece before. I downloaded it today. I will never play it as well as you do but I will try anyway.
Regards,
Damien
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 09:55 AM
Originally Posted by Khavens
It make the noise regardless of the volume, just more noticeable at higher volume levels

I talked to my dealership today and they reassured me that they would send a technician to look at the issues I had reported (rattle noise and plastic-y noise from a key). They also assured me that I should not worry about ending up with a piano that I wasn't happy with, and that they would replace it or find a different model if that was my wish.

Hopefully, a technician can see to my piano soon, and then I'll hopefully be able to report exactly what the issue is.
@Khavens, have you reached out to your dealer?
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 10:54 AM
Dear all, and @Khavens:

I am having kind of the same issue with my new CA79: the sound is not fully clean! I was already wondering why nobody was writing about it right away, maybe some do not regognize it?

For sure not a screw that’s loose.. that would have been easily localized, the noise comes in my case from both speakers, I hear it clearly (like in your audio examples):
- when I play with that volume you described (it is louder when I turn volume up, but also recognizable with middle volume) and
- playing at least forte/ff, at peaks or more complex parts
- no VT settings can help me so far

It sounds like the speakers can not deal with the range of frequency or dynamic (especially high velocity).. or maybe it is a transistor problem??

I asked about the problem in the music store and they confirmed that ALL instruments, which they installed, have that kind of noise, both CA-79 and CA-99. It is more like a rattle in the lower register and more like a lighter white noise in the upper register.

Some say, well, the sound is so well recorded by Kawai... that it should be like this (!?) because this would come through the highest resolution, but I can not believe that at all (I don't hear it with headphones duh (AKG 712)).
I really hope for a solution, if anybody knows what to do and how to fix it that would be a such a relief!!

It is such a beautiful instrument, but the noise is kind of distracting and it is Kind of holding me already back from playing fortissimo...
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 12:50 PM
Hi Folks,

I am back after hours and hours, day after day of playing *Joy*.

Good News: Disturbing sounds from my keyboard did'nt came back :-).

Also disturbing noise or some sort of rattle of any kind.

Just plain, rich and wonderful concert piano sound :-).

I positionioned my CA99 approx. 30cm away from my wall of massive granit stone.

But beware this "beast" ;-) can become loud when turned up....Woahaa..and can bite a bit in the upper middle range...a bit like the Yamaha Studio Grand in the Conservatory....if resonances ate fully turned up (and bad player like me overdid it :-)).

Really love the sound.

Galuwen
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 01:03 PM
So:
• through the speakers - there is rattle
• through headphones - no rattle
If it is really true, then the problem is not in the samples and not in the sound generation/modelling. Especially if the rattle is present with different pianos with different rendering type.
It must be either in the speakers or in the final stages of amplification driving those speakers but not used for headphones.

Still, it would be interesting also to test through the speakers an outside piano routed back to CA79/CA99.
From a software piano, from another digital piano/keyboard, from some piano midi module box (GEM RP-X, Dexibell VIVO SX7, V3 Sound Grand Pianos XXL, etc.)
The rattle should be present. If not - even more confusing.

Also, is there an equalizer in CA79/99 allowing to narrow down what frequencies are causing this rattle?
I think, at least some equalizer-like settings are available to tweak.
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 03:58 PM
Man this sucks. I sympathize with y'all having issues. The CA79/CA99 are expensive DPs and to have these issues very early in ownership is no bueno. Kawai needs to step up their QC as these are not $500 pianos.

I hope a solution is found, sincerely.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 04:30 PM
Groan.
#1. It's not about QC.
#2: When it comes to quality a $500 piano ought to be no different than a $4000 piano.
Posted By: robinlb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Ryner
Dear all, and @Khavens:

I am having kind of the same issue with my new CA79: the sound is not fully clean! I was already wondering why nobody was writing about it right away, maybe some do not regognize it?

For sure not a screw that’s loose.. that would have been easily localized, the noise comes in my case from both speakers, I hear it clearly (like in your audio examples):
- when I play with that volume you described (it is louder when I turn volume up, but also recognizable with middle volume) and
- playing at least forte/ff, at peaks or more complex parts
- no VT settings can help me so far

It sounds like the speakers can not deal with the range of frequency or dynamic (especially high velocity).. or maybe it is a transistor problem??

I asked about the problem in the music store and they confirmed that ALL instruments, which they installed, have that kind of noise, both CA-79 and CA-99. It is more like a rattle in the lower register and more like a lighter white noise in the upper register.

Some say, well, the sound is so well recorded by Kawai... that it should be like this (!?) because this would come through the highest resolution, but I can not believe that at all (I don't hear it with headphones duh (AKG 712)).
I really hope for a solution, if anybody knows what to do and how to fix it that would be a such a relief!!

It is such a beautiful instrument, but the noise is kind of distracting and it is Kind of holding me already back from playing fortissimo...

I can totally understand what you are saying, because when I use some VSTs such as VSL D274 or Pianoteq pro Bechstein, it will also appear on my CA98 tweeters. Especially the D6 note.
In fact, this phenomenon will not only appear in the CA series, I have tried to directly connect some speakers, and many of their tweeters will appear similar situations.
Especially in the case of large dynamics and FF higer velocity, I think it is a kind of horn distortion, especially in the case of high sensitivity speakers. I later attached a pair of vintage Tannoy CPA5 coaxial speakers to my CA98 and had no problem.

However, since I need the middle and low tones of the soundboard, I have to continue to use the audio system of DP, but now I really want to disconnect the tweeters in my CA98, or maybe the other full range spks inside.
Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 07:31 PM
Besides many unfortunate negative experiences with the CA 79 / 99 I would like to share some positive feedback as well.
Most of the time when a product is working great we don't review it and if there are problems they pop up in the forums.
I really feel bad for everybody who has a problem with their digital pianos, especially at this price range, it's so frustrating frown

BUT I also wanted to say my CA 79 PE is working sooooo good and sounds so good, too.
Man I had a CA 98 in the U.S. and now I own a CA 79 and I like the sound much better. I always felt the CA 98 felt "nosy" / "boxy"
The CA 79 has first of all so much power, it sounds really really good on speakers! And on my Beyerdynamic DT 990 250 ohm it sounds really amazing. Hard to believe that one is playing a digital piano with the feel and sound.

Anyways, I wanted to share some love for the new CA 79 series *knock on wood* - I hope it stays this positive for many years, as I only got it for a month.

Wish you all best of luck and happy playing <3
Posted By: major_key_minor Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Groan.
#1. It's not about QC.
#2: When it comes to quality a $500 piano ought to be no different than a $4000 piano.

#1 Why do you think it's not about QC? I mean we don't know what the root cause is yet but based on the fact that not everyone with a CA79/99 is reporting issues, it can't be attributed to a design flaw yet.
#2 In a perfect world yes, a $500 piano will have the same attention paid to it during manufacturing as a $4000 piano but we don't live in a perfect world. Now, i am not making any unfounded accusations against Kawai. All i'm saying is, if someone is paying $4000 for a piano, they shouldn't be having these issues right out of the gate. Maybe it's just a bad batch.

My K300 was shown a lot of attention. I recently found a certificate hanging inside the piano by a Mr. J Nakamura who inspected and certified it to be good to go smile.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/19/20 11:44 PM
I raised the #1 item because there is a broad misunderstanding about the term "quality control".
It's often taken to be synonymous with "incoming inspection of parts" and "outgoing inspection of finished goods".

But that's inadequate. Quality comes from attention to every facet of a company's activities.
So a product defect ought not be attributed to a QC problem. Just call it a defect.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 07:32 AM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
Besides many unfortunate negative experiences with the CA 79 / 99 I would like to share some positive feedback as well.
Most of the time when a product is working great we don't review it and if there are problems they pop up in the forums.
I really feel bad for everybody who has a problem with their digital pianos, especially at this price range, it's so frustrating frown

BUT I also wanted to say my CA 79 PE is working sooooo good and sounds so good, too.
Man I had a CA 98 in the U.S. and now I own a CA 79 and I like the sound much better. I always felt the CA 98 felt "nosy" / "boxy"
The CA 79 has first of all so much power, it sounds really really good on speakers! And on my Beyerdynamic DT 990 250 ohm it sounds really amazing. Hard to believe that one is playing a digital piano with the feel and sound.

Anyways, I wanted to share some love for the new CA 79 series *knock on wood* - I hope it stays this positive for many years, as I only got it for a month.

Wish you all best of luck and happy playing <3

Welcome and thx for the nice post :-).

I would wish more satisfied owners would post (like Amy).

Not only the same old idiots like me wanting to justify that my older digital model is still the better choice and no noticable difference ;-).

Since the new CA59 is out my CA99 EP still feels not THAT outdated and I still likes.

But nobody is interested anymore :-) :-) :-).

Hope my speakers will fall off...to regain sensational interest *face palm*.

But good thing is: This forum is REALLY linked to the manufacturers and together we can move something...

Galuwen
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 09:48 AM
I am only happy that there is no new CA109 yet smile
In the meantime, today I ordered a Dixie Belle.
If CA99 rattles too much - I am covered smile
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 10:25 AM
You purchased a young Southern woman?
Originally Posted by Parkher
In the meantime, today I ordered a Dixie Belle.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
You purchased a young Southern woman?
Originally Posted by Parkher
In the meantime, today I ordered a Dixie Belle.

+1

:-)
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by Parkher
I am only happy that there is no new CA109 yet smile
In the meantime, today I ordered a Dixie Belle.
If CA99 rattles too much - I am covered smile


Hello Parkher,

I am listening to the "rattle" recording for and backwards and I am not 100% shure if we speak of the same effect.

Would you say it is the sort of metallic buzzing mid to deep sound pitch? Louder coming out whilst playing ff and fff?

A theory is forming and maybe I can contribute with a high end recording that will surprise.. not of a Shigeru Kawai :-) - sorry - but of a GL10. I will try to do this next week.

If it is that... it sounds to me like the ... we call this in Vienna Piano "schnarren" like rattling of the triple wound strings in the mid to low and register. Also sometimes present if you dampen the strings fast. But then it is more a snaaaarz sound not a buzzing

So much for the sound reproduction cabilities of Onkyo *face palm*. Souns like to good to be true :-).

I am also not 100% conviced that a high end tweeter (CA79 and 99 use different sized tweeters and different midrange speakers 4x round spec for the CA99) can't reproduce a sort of "piano recording" what a sample player and the end of the day is...

Galuwen
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
You purchased a young Southern woman?
Originally Posted by Parkher
In the meantime, today I ordered a Dixie Belle.
A slight typo smile
Is it Dex iBell?
Anyway, Vivo SX7
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 12:09 PM
Galuwen,
I am still waiting for my CA99, long wait because I chose EP. Or PE.
I listened to that recording and I sort of heard something.
But if it is true what they are saying in that store, that all CA79s and all CA99s have it, and also if it is true that that rattle is absent through headphones - then it is difficult to explain.
If not through headphones - not in samples, especially if with all 4 different pianos.
Also not added during the sound generation because of some modelling.
But then, if both with CA79 and with CA99 - then less likely caused by speakers or their amps.
That is why I suggested trying some other piano through line in.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
You purchased a young Southern woman?
Originally Posted by Parkher
In the meantime, today I ordered a Dixie Belle.

+1

:-)
I tried to improve the name of the company, to give a boost to the brand.
Your +1 should go to me smile
And also a cut from their increased profits. You are welcome, Dixie Belle
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 01:54 PM
@ Galuwen
Good to hear you are now fully satisfied and enjoying your CA99.
I do enjoy mine as well (no rattle - but i play mostly on headphones - and very light dull sound only on 2 black keys at the extreme left/bass of the piano). Eventually, what was your issue with the plastic noise that you experienced at the beginning and that was fixed by the technician through grease ? does it mean if we experience the same issue one day, we need to have someone come and open the piano to put grease on the keys ?
Posted By: Theinvisibleman Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Ryner
Dear all, and @Khavens:

I am having kind of the same issue with my new CA79: the sound is not fully clean! I was already wondering why nobody was writing about it right away, maybe some do not regognize it?

For sure not a screw that’s loose.. that would have been easily localized, the noise comes in my case from both speakers, I hear it clearly (like in your audio examples):
- when I play with that volume you described (it is louder when I turn volume up, but also recognizable with middle volume) and
- playing at least forte/ff, at peaks or more complex parts
- no VT settings can help me so far

It sounds like the speakers can not deal with the range of frequency or dynamic (especially high velocity).. or maybe it is a transistor problem??

I asked about the problem in the music store and they confirmed that ALL instruments, which they installed, have that kind of noise, both CA-79 and CA-99. It is more like a rattle in the lower register and more like a lighter white noise in the upper register.

Some say, well, the sound is so well recorded by Kawai... that it should be like this (!?) because this would come through the highest resolution, but I can not believe that at all (I don't hear it with headphones duh (AKG 712)).
I really hope for a solution, if anybody knows what to do and how to fix it that would be a such a relief!!

It is such a beautiful instrument, but the noise is kind of distracting and it is Kind of holding me already back from playing fortissimo...

i like to thank you for reporting back on these issues, it so important that people looking to buy products know of all the possibilities and not just the good old stories.

reporting a defect is not negative its just reporting the facts.

I almost bought a CA79 a few weeks ago and I still sit on the fence.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 02:42 PM
Yeah the problem Ryner was describing is the most important one I think, because it might be affecting all of the pianos in new series, we need more information.
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 03:01 PM
Please do not get me wrong, the Kawai CA-79 really is a great great instrument!!

What I love most about it is the action and that you can feel the vibration of the tone when you touch the keys.. therefore it is really kind of a living instrument, although it is digital smile I love the tone colour and all the little details such as the hammer fall back sounds.. all the settings and adjustments you can make... just all about it. I am sry for not sharing only positive news though, please do not get me wrong, even with the noise or rattle (which is still under investigation cool ) it is - in my view - still the best DP out there, and everybody should just try it out in a local store and compare it, I think there is nothing like it.

Unfortunatly, but well thats life, I am having also another issue with my CA79 that is sometimes when I start the piano, I get a white screen instead of "Kawai - Welcome". Switching off and on solves it and it goes back to normal.

I send a mail to the dealership writing about the white screen issue and I also informed them about the white noise/rattle and I attached the sound examples from above. After checking it they said that to them it looks like an error in the system and they will replace my instrument. The custumer support is really good, they are quickly answering and are really helpful.

So now it will take some time, but I am really hoping for the best and I will keep you updated.

Ryner
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Ryner
I send a mail to the dealership writing about the white screen issue and I also informed them about the white noise/rattle and I attached the sound examples from above. After checking it they said that to them it looks like an error in the system and they will replace my instrument. The custumer support is really good, they are quickly answering and are really helpful.

So now it will take some time, but I am really hoping for the best and I will keep you updated.
Awesome, any estimate on replacement time? Availability might be bad now.
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 07:54 PM
Do you know who your dealership is working with at Kawai that listened to the white noise/ rattle?
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 08:13 PM
@martin, I have been in touch with my dealer. I played the 79 they have at the store and heard a similar noise, I feel like the white noise/rattle is more prominent on my piano though. Because the piano at the store makes a similar sound I feel like they think I am being picky. Although they have been great and are willing to exchange my piano if I want. I have also been in contact with Alan Palmer from Kawai. He sent my sample to the Kawai engineers in Japan and I’m waiting to hear back if they have any suggestions. I am torn… I love the action on the 79 and the Bluetooth functionality. I played a CA 58 in the store and it didn’t have any white noise or rattle. I really don’t want to drop down to a CA 58 and it sounds like The ca59 will not be available until early this summer. I have another 10 days to decide what I’m going to do. If I hear anything back from Kawai I will let you know. Do you know who your dealership has been dealing with at KAwai? It would be nice if we were all talking to the same person...
Posted By: DuetLearner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 09:31 PM
Have you tried sound mode rather than pianist mode? Just to see if the older sound engine, the same as in the CA58/9, also causes the issue.
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/20/20 09:38 PM
I have been in touch with my dealer. I played the 79 they have at the store and heard a similar noise, I feel like the white noise/rattle is more prominent on my piano though. Because the piano at the store makes a similar sound I feel like they think I am being picky. Although they have been great and are willing to exchange my piano if I want. I have also been in contact with Alan Palmer from Kawai. He sent my sample to the Kawai engineers in Japan and I’m waiting to hear back if they have any suggestions. I am torn… I love the action on the 79 and the Bluetooth functionality. I played a CA 58 in the store and it didn’t have any white noise or rattle. I really don’t want to drop down to a CA 58 and it sounds like The ca59 will not be available until early this summer. I have another 10 days to decide what I’m going to do. If I hear anything back from Kawai I will let you know. Do you know who your dealership has been dealing with at KAwai? It would be nice if we were all talking to the same person...
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 12:45 AM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Yeah the problem Ryner was describing is the most important one I think, because it might be affecting all of the pianos in new series, we need more information.

We definitely need more information, I agree! Lets wait for the Kawai Japan @Khavens, thank you so much for keeping us updated about it!

Originally Posted by Nordomus
Awesome, any estimate on replacement time? Availability might be bad now.

Not yet, but I will let you know. I think it is depending also at the piano transport company.

Originally Posted by Khavens
Do you know who your dealership is working with at Kawai that listened to the white noise/ rattle?

No, I do not know that, in my case I guess it would be probably Kawai Europe GmbH in Germany. Yea, it would be funny if it was the same at the end. But maybe also better to get a second opinion. I tried to record it myself but I couldnt due to my mic quality, so I referred to your audio and I told them that my noise is similar.
If you also heard the same noise/rattle in store, well then it really seems to be a bigger issue. I hope so much for an update or something that will fix it. Otherwise I guess we will have to live with that?!

many greetings
Ryner
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 07:40 AM
Originally Posted by Khavens
@martin, I have been in touch with my dealer. I played the 79 they have at the store and heard a similar noise, I feel like the white noise/rattle is more prominent on my piano though. Because the piano at the store makes a similar sound I feel like they think I am being picky. Although they have been great and are willing to exchange my piano if I want. I have also been in contact with Alan Palmer from Kawai. He sent my sample to the Kawai engineers in Japan and I’m waiting to hear back if they have any suggestions. I am torn… I love the action on the 79 and the Bluetooth functionality. I played a CA 58 in the store and it didn’t have any white noise or rattle. I really don’t want to drop down to a CA 58 and it sounds like The ca59 will not be available until early this summer. I have another 10 days to decide what I’m going to do. If I hear anything back from Kawai I will let you know. Do you know who your dealership has been dealing with at KAwai? It would be nice if we were all talking to the same person...

Khavens,
I am by no means an expert on digital pianos or speakers, but a rattle noise should not be present - especially if the same noise is not present using headphones. The noise is also present no matter which piano sound I choose, even electric piano where the vibrato really reveals the rattle.

I do not know what specific person my dealership deals with at Kawai. I'm from Denmark, and my dealerships says that they receive their Kawai products from Kawai Germany.

My dealership put me in contact with a piano sound technician in my city, whom I talked with yesterday. Based on my description of the issue (particularly the fact that it gets more prominent the higher the volume), he also suspected a faulty or not properly installed speaker. He will be paying me a visit to have a hear and look at the piano, but unfortunately, he won't have time to do so before another week or two.

I would suggest that you reach out to your dealership and ask them to extend your right of cancellation period due to the fact that this seems to be an issue with a product that very few people - including the dealerships and Kawai themselves - have experience with. We need more time to examine the issue. If you can't get an extended period, I would personally return the piano or ask for a replacement unit.

My local dealership does not yet have the CA79 for demo in the store due to corona lockdown, but as soon as they get it, I will visit them and compare the speakers.
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 01:47 PM
Dear friends on the forum,

Still super happy with my CA99 EP.
I have been reading latest exchanges on the rattle sound.
Just played again now quite loud with no headphone and cannot hear any issue on the speakers nor the soundboard.

Finally i found a way to post pictures.
There you go: [img]https://ibb.co/album/6RMhYC[/img]
I have made a few recordings (classical and jazz) need to find a way to share with you guys.

Best
Antoine
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 01:57 PM
And finally one video !
Schubert Impromptu (started studying 2 weeks ago when my CA99 arrived !)

Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 02:01 PM
Dead link. The video is a still image of the word "null".
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 02:19 PM
should be working now (sorry it was still a draft on youtube ... still learning how to post !)

Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 02:44 PM
After playing my CA79 on it's own speaker and putting the volume low, I can also sometimes hear some kind of "clicking" sound when playing. Like some kind of click inside the action. it's not very loud or disturbing but it only appears sometimes.
Also it doesn't have any effect on playing, however I hope it's just the mechanics and nothing serious :-O
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 03:31 PM
Your playing is excellent!
What are your thoughts on the piano? Does it feel as realistic as it sounds?
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 05:22 PM
yes, the feel is excellent. I have commented on a few posts on this thread my first impressions.
I feel a lot of pleasure playing it (with and without headphones) and i have commented before that it feels definitely better in terms of touch and sound than on an average acoustic piano (of course, not better than a good accoustic piano such as Yamaha YUS or Bechtein for example, but better than entry level acoustics). It really enables you to play with expressivity.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 09:13 PM
I've only played a Yamaha CLP 685. Suffice to say I HATED it.
People praise the quality of speakers bit it just sounded muffled and boxy to me.
Do you think the kawai is on another level in speaker quality?
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 09:39 PM
I don't know the Yamaha CLP685, i used to play a P-120S from Yamaha.
What i can say is that when you play the CA99 without headphones at a certain volume with the SK-EX concert sound, it really sounds like a great piano, not like a digital piano. With the headphones obviously even better, but this is normal (sampled sounds).
Without headphones, i believe the great sound is due to the soundboard and the quality of the sampling. And the fact that you can feel the vibrations when you play adds to make it super real.
Listen to youtubes demos or instagram videos of low quality DPs or badly-tuned acoustic pianos ... in comparison, the sound of the CA99 (in my video for example, which was just taken with my iphone standing on the edge of the keyboard) is rather very good !
But as many said, you need to try it in real (i bought mine during confinement without being able to try it ... took a huge risk but eventually very happy).
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/21/20 09:49 PM
I thought that was another piano you were playing in the video! The resonances are astonishing for a digital. It sounds... Alive
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 02:24 AM
ag_jazz_piano, thank you for sharing the pictures of your CA99EP, and the lovely video. Very nicely played!

Which sound are you using for this piece, may I ask?

Kind regards,
James
x

ps. May I ask what is the round, metal object to the right of your piano?
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 04:08 AM
ag_jazz_piano,

It seems you have a lot of room to experiment with the piano's distance from the wall.
Any conclusions?
Some people are saying - at least 20 cm from the wall, others - at least 30 cm. What if even more?
And for each distance, there are Wall EQ and Tone Control settings to play with.
Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 06:43 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
ag_jazz_piano, thank you for sharing the pictures of your CA99EP, and the lovely video. Very nicely played!

Which sound are you using for this piece, may I ask?

Kind regards,
James
x

ps. May I ask what is the round, metal object to the right of your piano?

Kawai James,
There have already been quite a few reports of rattle noise coming from the speakers on the CA79. See the last couple of pages. Could you share a comment on this issue, please?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 07:42 AM
Hello Martin,

It is my understanding that the customers who are experiencing noise from speakers have contacted their dealer and/or local Kawai distributor, and that these reports are currently being investigated.

I'm afraid I don't have a great deal more information than that at this stage.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 09:15 AM
@ Kawai James
Thank you James. I am using the piano sound by default, that is the SK-EX Concert Grand, the best by far vs. the other piano sounds.
Given the size of my room, i sometimes change the ambiance setting (stage or large room).
For romantic pieces (Schubert, Schummann) i also use SK-EX rendering type "Romantic" or EX-Concert Grand rendering type "Warm".

@ Parkher
When i set up the piano in my living room, i had read all the discussions/threads regarding the distance to the wall.
I have put it around 10cm away from the wall (you also need to let some space for the electric plug).
Aesthetically, this is not the best, but from a sound perspective i don't have any issue (even with lound volume, it's perfect).
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 11:55 AM
Originally Posted by Parkher
ag_jazz_piano,

It seems you have a lot of room to experiment with the piano's distance from the wall.
Any conclusions?
Some people are saying - at least 20 cm from the wall, others - at least 30 cm. What if even more?
And for each distance, there are Wall EQ and Tone Control settings to play with.

Is wall eq on CA99 adjustable now? On CA98 it's only options on/off.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by Parkher
ag_jazz_piano,

It seems you have a lot of room to experiment with the piano's distance from the wall.
Any conclusions?
Some people are saying - at least 20 cm from the wall, others - at least 30 cm. What if even more?
And for each distance, there are Wall EQ and Tone Control settings to play with.

Is wall eq on CA99 adjustable now? On CA98 it's only options on/off.

More than on/off: off/brick/plasterboard
And then you have in Sound Control: Bass Boost, etc.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 05:06 PM
Nice, thanks for the info, those are pretty big improvements for me.
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 05:07 PM
Martin,
I picked up a really nice pair of headphones the other day to see if it changed anything. the rattle sound is nonexistent with the headphones but at higher volume levels the white noise is still very prevalent while using the headphones. In my personal opinion the white noise is more annoying than the rattle while playing the piano at higher volumes. The white noise is amplified when using the sustain pedal. I’m assuming because I can hear the white noise while using headphones that the sound is coming from the sample. The white noise is so apparent to me though, that I have a hard time believing that if it’s in the sample there are not more people expressing dissatisfaction. Maybe my ears are just super sensitive? To all you folks out there that are 100% happy with your 79/99 are you hearing any white noise while using sustain and playing the piano at medium to high volume?

@kawai James, are you able to hear any type of white noise while playing the 79/99?
Posted By: EVC2017 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/22/20 07:31 PM
I did not follow the entire thread but I have a question. Does this white noise appears when you move the sustain pedal up and down?

Reason for the question: wondering if this white noise could be the sustain pedal noise.
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/23/20 01:48 AM
No, the white noise/rattle I am experiencing comes by pressing the keys, not only by the sustain pedal. I can say btw that I like the sustain pedal noise, its very realistic, but totally different from the kind of noise/rattle I get through the speakers while playing forte or fortissimo. It seems like the speakers cant handle the frequency or dynamic.

So far I am still waiting for my dealer to give any information about the further steps.

Originally Posted by Khavens
Maybe my ears are just super sensitive? To all you folks out there that are 100% happy with your 79/99 are you hearing any white noise while using sustain and playing the piano at medium to high volume?
@kawai James, are you able to hear any type of white noise while playing the 79/99?

While I was in the store playing the piano and talking about the noise there was actually a discussion between people who could hear it and people who could not hear it. My ears are not the best for sure.. but hey I heard it also there and I was not alone. But it was strange for me to believe that there are actually people who could not hear it. Maybe they just didnt focus on it.

But I also want to believe that there are many CA79 instruments out there, which dont have this noise/rattle problem, its my only hope that an exchange will be worth it.
Posted By: robinlb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/23/20 02:49 AM
@Ryner
We should realize that Kawai actually improved the onboard sound engine on new CA79/99. But there may be no upgraded for tweeters installed.
In fact, on my CA98, this kind of distortion would not have occurred if only the onboard sound engine was used, but when some external VSTs was input, such as VSL D274/PQ Bechstein I tested, which has more dynamic and more abundant high pitch overtones or vibration, the problem occurred in some of the high notes areas. Although they're only 2~3 notes.
But I think this problem can be solved in a software way by adjusting the EQ and the resonant overtones with note by note, or choose a heavier keyboard velocity such as normal to heavy not light. Maybe kawai can solve it with a firmware upgrade.
Posted By: navindra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/23/20 04:24 AM
Originally Posted by Amy H
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!

What are the chances a second CA79 owner would choose this piece to demo their piano? Kawai should get Alexis Ffrench on payroll... he seems to only play Yamaha!

Posted By: 9190 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/23/20 11:25 AM
It is commendable that in the time interval of 2:54, he (or anyone who wrote this transcription) performed B flat, and not G, as written in official sheet music. On recordings, Alexis performs exactly B flat, but most people perform G, as prescribed in sheet music.
Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/23/20 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by 9190
It is commendable that in the time interval of 2:54, he (or anyone who wrote this transcription) performed B flat, and not G, as written in official sheet music. On recordings, Alexis performs exactly B flat, but most people perform G, as prescribed in sheet music.

That Youtube channel and playing is actually me. So first of all thanks a lot for sharing it @Navindra.
And to answer your nice comment 9190:

I actually cannot read sheet music, I learn by following tutorials and listening to pieces, so I'm a little more "free" to play based on what I heard and Youtube tutorials.
I heard Alexis Ffrench is also playing it like that and I really liked that extra touch of the bflat.

BTW: I played another piece "Porz Goret" by Yann Tiersen on the CA79 for anybody who wants to check it out. The sound of this piano is really a joy to play
Thanks again guys!
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/24/20 05:16 AM
If you are not blind - you can read sheet music.
The note right in the middle between the two staves is middle C.
On the keyboard it is also the C unmistakably closest to the middle.
And then you go up and down from there.
That's all there is to it.
Posted By: navindra Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/24/20 05:48 AM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
That Youtube channel and playing is actually me. So first of all thanks a lot for sharing it @Navindra.
And to answer your nice comment 9190:

I actually cannot read sheet music, I learn by following tutorials and listening to pieces, so I'm a little more "free" to play based on what I heard and Youtube tutorials.
I heard Alexis Ffrench is also playing it like that and I really liked that extra touch of the bflat.

BTW: I played another piece "Porz Goret" by Yann Tiersen on the CA79 for anybody who wants to check it out. The sound of this piano is really a joy to play
Thanks again guys!

Your piano is gorgeous. I'm glad your move to Germany and selling your new CA98 worked out in the end. I'm jealous that you have Kawai's latest and greatest sound engine with tweaked samples, as it really does sound fantastic to me.
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/24/20 01:02 PM
Just wanted to add that I am also unfortunately experiencing a rattle from the top-left side of my new CA99. It’s honestly so noticeable above ~60% volume that it’s hard to overlook.

Really wanted to love this piano as it seemed perfect. Will have to contact my dealer and let them know frown
Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/24/20 01:17 PM
@Navindra: Thanks a lot! Your NV10 is also pretty awesome to be honest :P

@Razobill: too bad frown - hopefully you can get that fixed quickly!
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/24/20 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Razorbill
Just wanted to add that I am also unfortunately experiencing a rattle from the top-left side of my new CA99. It’s honestly so noticeable above ~60% volume that it’s hard to overlook.

Really wanted to love this piano as it seemed perfect. Will have to contact my dealer and let them know frown
This problem seems almost common. Probably just loose screw of cables, I'd advice to point technician into that direction.
Posted By: WalthervonStolzing Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/27/20 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Khavens
Martin,
I picked up a really nice pair of headphones the other day to see if it changed anything. the rattle sound is nonexistent with the headphones but at higher volume levels the white noise is still very prevalent while using the headphones. In my personal opinion the white noise is more annoying than the rattle while playing the piano at higher volumes. The white noise is amplified when using the sustain pedal. I’m assuming because I can hear the white noise while using headphones that the sound is coming from the sample. The white noise is so apparent to me though, that I have a hard time believing that if it’s in the sample there are not more people expressing dissatisfaction. Maybe my ears are just super sensitive? To all you folks out there that are 100% happy with your 79/99 are you hearing any white noise while using sustain and playing the piano at medium to high volume?

@kawai James, are you able to hear any type of white noise while playing the 79/99?

About the "white" noise:

In this video when he is playing the rendered pianos, there is a clear white noise in the background (easily heard at 0:20). I guess the audio in this recording is from the line out (or direct to USB), so there really seems to be a problem with the sample.

Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/27/20 06:15 PM
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
About the "white" noise:

In this video when he is playing the rendered pianos, there is a clear white noise in the background (easily heard at 0:20). I guess the audio in this recording is from the line out (or direct to USB), so there really seems to be a problem with the sample.


I can not hear that noise at 0:20 with my headphones... maybe they filter it somehow, but I do hear a constant noise while he is playing, almost with all sounds, what a bad recording quality it is...

I guess my new exchange CA79 will be delivered next week. I got the offer to change the instrument because I have a screen problem (white or black screen after starting) AND the noise/rattle issue. I really hope the forte/fortissimo speaker sound will be clean in the new instrument.. otherwise I am not sure what to do!?
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/27/20 09:28 PM
The white noise - perhaps just string/damper resonance.
This white noise is even worse on acoustic pianos smile
Posted By: johnland82 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 12:50 AM
Hey folks,

I'm a new owner of the CA79, and before I ask for some advice I must say... playing on this thing has been amazing! Coming from my Yamaha p255 the difference is unreal, in a purely positive sense.

When I opened the box post delivery, about half of the keys were lifted up off of the sensor (is that what the part is called, below the key?) and had shifted towards the right. I lifted each black and white key and moved them back into position. One key, C#5, seemed to be rubbing up against D5. I worked with the key a tad to keep it from hitting the D and it seems to have been fine for the last few days.

Is this something that happens with relative frequency? It looks as if they had the piano up on its side and had leaned it back on the dolly, and nothing in the packaging seems to be capable of holding the keys in place. Should I be concerned about potential future issues with the keyboard? I brought this up to the sales guy that I'd worked with. He said that sometimes that happens and that if I find any issues to let him know.

I'm not sure that I'd know what "issues" look like, but things seem to be working fine currently.

Any opinions? Thanks!
Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 06:56 AM
Just a little update on my issues with CA79.

As advised by Kawai_James, I contacted the dealer first (Alamo Music), but also Kawai through Contact form on the website. Kawai (Alan) replied 'that is weird' and forwared it to some other guy (Juan), who has been silent ever since (2+ weeks).

Dealer took few days to reply and downplayed the issue at first, but as soon as return window closed, they confirmed it. another coincidence. They then said they filed a claim with Kawai. two weeks after that, 4.45PM last Friday they send me another message saying that I should be filing the claim ASAP. Memorial weekend, of course noone replied to a call, noone replied to emails.

Tomorrow is one month since piano was delivered. Now I'm afraid they will start playing dumb that I didnt report/claim it on time.

Two keys also developed plastic 'ringing' sound, or perhaps they always had it.
Posted By: John62 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 08:15 AM
Hi all

Another newbie to this excellent forum. I've been lurking here a while as I've been researching an upgrade to my ancient digital Korg piano.

In my part of the UK (Wales) we're still under strict lockdown but I happened to be cycling past my local piano store expecting it to be shut which it was, but a sign on the door said they accepted customers by appointment.

Needless to say I was on the phone as soon as I got home and booked an appointment which I attended yesterday.

The sales team were excellent, maintaining the necessary distance giving me all the info I needed, then left me alone to sample their demo models.

They had the Kawai CN29 & CN39 plus the CA79 available - all three pianos were on my shortlist.

I was advised to start with the CN models, then try the CA last. Although the CN's were a big step up from my current piano, the CA 79 was in a different league! Not too much of a surprise considering the price difference I guess.

After about an hour of going back and fore, I made up my mind and have ordered a CA79 in Rosewood.

Delivery expected early next week.

Thanks to all who have given their opinions and experiences and I hope those who have had issues get a happy outcome ASAP - and keeping my fingers crossed my instrument is fault free!

John
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 08:28 AM
Hi John - whereabouts are you? I'm near Swansea.
Posted By: John62 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Hi John - whereabouts are you? I'm near Swansea.

Hi Colin

I'm in Cardiff - I did look at your local piano dealer's website (Coach House Pianos) and they're still saying the shop is closed. I didn't want order online without playing the models before I committing to spend that sort of money.

John
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 09:18 AM
Originally Posted by John62
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Hi John - whereabouts are you? I'm near Swansea.

Hi Colin

I'm in Cardiff - I did look at your local piano dealer's website (Coach House Pianos) and they're still saying the shop is closed. I didn't want order online without playing the models before I committing to spend that sort of money.

John
Thanks. I have sent you a pm.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 10:58 AM
Hello johnland82, congrats on your new piano.

Originally Posted by johnland82
When I opened the box post delivery, about half of the keys were lifted up off of the sensor (is that what the part is called, below the key?) and had shifted towards the right. I lifted each black and white key and moved them back into position. One key, C#5, seemed to be rubbing up against D5. I worked with the key a tad to keep it from hitting the D and it seems to have been fine for the last few days.

Is this something that happens with relative frequency? It looks as if they had the piano up on its side and had leaned it back on the dolly, and nothing in the packaging seems to be capable of holding the keys in place. Should I be concerned about potential future issues with the keyboard? I brought this up to the sales guy that I'd worked with. He said that sometimes that happens and that if I find any issues to let him know.

The instrument carton box should always be shipped upright, I believer there is clear labelling printed on the box to indicate this point.

May I ask where you are based, and if you purchased from a local dealer, or from an online retailer - presumably the latter?
How was the instrument delivered to you?

When the instrument's is assembled and the key cover first opened, all of the keys should be seated on their front pins. It should not be necessary for the customer to have to reseat keys back into position in order to play the instrument.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: johnland82 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello johnland82, congrats on your new piano.

Originally Posted by johnland82
When I opened the box post delivery, about half of the keys were lifted up off of the sensor (is that what the part is called, below the key?) and had shifted towards the right. I lifted each black and white key and moved them back into position. One key, C#5, seemed to be rubbing up against D5. I worked with the key a tad to keep it from hitting the D and it seems to have been fine for the last few days.

Is this something that happens with relative frequency? It looks as if they had the piano up on its side and had leaned it back on the dolly, and nothing in the packaging seems to be capable of holding the keys in place. Should I be concerned about potential future issues with the keyboard? I brought this up to the sales guy that I'd worked with. He said that sometimes that happens and that if I find any issues to let him know.

The instrument carton box should always be shipped upright, I believer there is clear labelling printed on the box to indicate this point.

May I ask where you are based, and if you purchased from a local dealer, or from an online retailer - presumably the latter?
How was the instrument delivered to you?

When the instrument's is assembled and the key cover first opened, all of the keys should be seated on their front pins. It should not be necessary for the customer to have to reseat keys back into position in order to play the instrument.

Kind regards,
James
x

Hello James,

Thank you for your response!

I'm based in southern California, Torrance specifically, and I ordered the CA79 from Alamo Music in Texas. I was not present for the delivery, but I was told by the person who received it that the delivery guys brought the piano up on its side and left it that way in our living room. Unfortunately, it was too heavy of a package and had to be left as it was until I got home.

-The instrument was delivered via Estes Final Mile (EFM)
-The key cover was completely open when I opened the box
-I did take a quick video of the condition of the keys upon opening the box for the first time.
-I just reviewed the video, and every key from D1 to to C7 (almost the whole keyboard) were off of their pins and shifted to the right
-The box was thoroughly beat, had boot marks on it.

I appreciate you taking an interest in this, thank you.
Posted By: Sebastian FL Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Sebastian FL
Just a little update on my issues with CA79.
...
Another update, finally got a call from Juan who apologized for delay (apparently caused by office closure) and promised to send a tech my way soon. Will keep everyone posted.

Not sure if Kawai_James helped to speed things up or not, thank you anyway.
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/28/20 06:54 PM
I will add that I also purchased a CA79 from Alamo Music in Texas, and it was also delivered using Estes.

I'm just south of Houston, so, there was significantly less travel involved for the CA79. The box was slightly beaten up but not a lot. They did slide it around and orient it different ways (on a dolly, for example), and it sat on the "wrong side" of the box (e.g., "this side up" was facing the side) for a day.

However, the keys were all situated properly. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the key cover was extended/closed. The box was not in great shape, but it wasn't as beat up as badly johnland82 experienced. The contents and packing seemed completely undisturbed.

Reading the reports in this thread, I am more and more comfortable and impressed with Kawai's service-after-the-sale!
Posted By: Flyingblind Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/29/20 09:15 PM
I hope all goes well with me with Alamo Music and the delivery of my CA-99. So far I've had good communication. I paid for "white glove" installation because there's no way I'm wrestling a 200lb piano. I'm still thinking about a location in my home. I don't like playing with my back to my chamber music buddies. So ... do I set it away from the wall which takes up more space + the piano seat or what? Also does anyone use furniture sliders? I use them for various things and I can move some very heavy things, 500lbs by myself. For the times I'm practicing by myself I don't mind the piano against the wall. When I do chamber music, not a fan.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/29/20 11:47 PM
The delivery business is filled with morons claiming to be piano moving experts.

The piano store should really use proper piano movers.
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/30/20 04:01 PM
Agreed with TripleMac. I got the distinct impression from Alamo Music that they're sort of in the business of moving inventory more than anything else. Be it pianos, used cars, or other widgets - they're making deals and moving merchandise. By contrast, I talked with several music stores who seemed to be musicians first and salespeople second. Could all be tactics - if I'm being cynical! - but who knows.

I did not do the "white glove" service only because I had a masked friend who helped me with the CA79. I assumed that if I had done the elevated level of service, they would be using someone other than Estes who's just a freight delivery company.

Flyingbird - please let us know about your experience when you get your CA99! And congratulations on it!

I think the sliding pads on the bottom of the CA79 were a smooth plastic, and I believe they were long and narrow. So if you're doing to do furniture pads (and I can't see any reason why that should be an issue), I'd get the square ones.
Posted By: RinTin Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/30/20 06:42 PM
For so many years I used Roland and Yamaha digital pianos. I never realized how realistic Kawai's are!
Posted By: Amy H Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/30/20 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
Originally Posted by 9190
It is commendable that in the time interval of 2:54, he (or anyone who wrote this transcription) performed B flat, and not G, as written in official sheet music. On recordings, Alexis performs exactly B flat, but most people perform G, as prescribed in sheet music.

That Youtube channel and playing is actually me. So first of all thanks a lot for sharing it @Navindra.
And to answer your nice comment 9190:

I actually cannot read sheet music, I learn by following tutorials and listening to pieces, so I'm a little more "free" to play based on what I heard and Youtube tutorials.
I heard Alexis Ffrench is also playing it like that and I really liked that extra touch of the bflat.

BTW: I played another piece "Porz Goret" by Yann Tiersen on the CA79 for anybody who wants to check it out. The sound of this piano is really a joy to play
Thanks again guys!

I've watched both videos. Sound is great! I too have a CA79 and am a fan of Alexis Ffrench and Yann Tiersen! I've just learned Letting It Go by Peter Bence. Search it on YouTube, it's wonderful piece!!
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/30/20 09:24 PM
Hi guys,
been reading the last couple of posts and see a lot of issues with delivery. I have mentioned it to my dealer that because it's considered "digital piano" (not accoustic), they can use "standard" transporters who handle this like a bicycle or anything they usually deliver.
But the CA99 is quite bulky, heavy and fragile so they should really pay attention to which transporter they use. In Europe, i believe Kawai is careful when they choose the transporter from their european warehouse to the dealers, but often when they deliver directly to you, the issue is on the last 100km where they use local transporters !!! Mine arrived ok but the box had a few holes and the wooden platform beneath the piano was broken because it did not match their moving machines standard sizes !

Anyway, to finish on a positive note, i have recorded 3 new pieces (with my iphone on the piano, not through MIDI) and posted them on youtube: 2 extracts from Bach's Goldberg Variations (classical) and 1 extract from Keith Jarrett's legendary Koln Concert (3rd part).
Enjoy !
(still no idea about what some mention as "white noise")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeMq_KWzROw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiE93hj-P0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2zEyxZ0vjc
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 05/31/20 06:07 AM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
Hi guys,
been reading the last couple of posts and see a lot of issues with delivery. I have mentioned it to my dealer that because it's considered "digital piano" (not accoustic), they can use "standard" transporters who handle this like a bicycle or anything they usually deliver.
But the CA99 is quite bulky, heavy and fragile so they should really pay attention to which transporter they use. In Europe, i believe Kawai is careful when they choose the transporter from their european warehouse to the dealers, but often when they deliver directly to you, the issue is on the last 100km where they use local transporters !!! Mine arrived ok but the box had a few holes and the wooden platform beneath the piano was broken because it did not match their moving machines standard sizes !

Anyway, to finish on a positive note, i have recorded 3 new pieces (with my iphone on the piano, not through MIDI) and posted them on youtube: 2 extracts from Bach's Goldberg Variations (classical) and 1 extract from Keith Jarrett's legendary Koln Concert (3rd part).
Enjoy !
(still no idea about what some mention as "white noise")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeMq_KWzROw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiE93hj-P0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2zEyxZ0vjc


The more I listen to the samples specially the unfortunate Kawai Demo at 0:20 I come to the conclusion that white noise is maybe the wrong term. What you clearly can hear is a high frequency hissing like a bad recording.

In my understanding white noise means sort of undefined background noise over all frequencies.

AND both I dont experience at all on my CA99.

What I found out is that the low frequency transducer (left side from the players perspective) is a true (positive) monster and cuts in very fast (within the range of only 2 tones around the D and C).

If I reproduce external music through line in) some times specially with depp pitched strings the transducer is really hefty :-). There is not vibration, resonance rattling but just a very warm bass sound like a tremendous fart.

Galuwen
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/06/20 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
The white noise - perhaps just string/damper resonance.
This white noise is even worse on acoustic pianos smile

Never had something like this before.. string/damper resonance should never sound like this. Its really disturbing once you notice it. Last week I got my exchange and unfortunatly also the new instrument has the same noise, like another member posted here before:
https://soundcloud.com/user-928966016/2a-1

I successfully installed the system updates (sys1.08/lcd1.06), but unfortunately that didn't stop the noise. What stops it however is when I record the song and play it through other speakers.
- the recording itself/another speaker: no noise
- the recording played back via audio bluetooth/internal speakers CA79: same noise
- another piano recording (e.g. from YouTube) via bluetooth audio/internal speaker: no noise.

I dont really understand why this is happening and I am not sure if I will be happy with my CA79 in the long run, especially if a following model will not have this kind of light noise.

Any updates from those with the same issue? How is Kawai responding?
Posted By: bbuk Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/09/20 08:09 AM
Hi , I am looking to start playing Piano and as i have too much time with the lockdown I found this forum , before finding the forum i was set on buying a FP30 or ES110 from Youtube reviews , this Forum messed me up smile and the "how can you even play this garbage piano" syndrom kicked in , note - I have never played a real/digital Piano , so even if i go to a store i wouldnt know what to do with it , so "go and test it" is out of the question , i do like listening to Piano though and decided to invest time and energy in Piano for the foreseeable future.

The CA79 caught my eye as the leading non acoustic option but for that i need 2 items to happen , maybe you can chime in.
1) It needs to be easily moved , I am moving to a new place in the upcoming year.
2) I am getting nervous hearing about this "white noise" that everyone in this thread are talking about , i would feel bad knowing i researched so much and bought something with inherent defect.

Lastly (as its my first ever post here , ill also ask the question that nags me in this decision) , maybe it is better to buy a FP30/ES110 "Slab" as you call it , start playing , move easily with it when times comes , and THEN decide what kind of piano i might like , once i have 1 year of experience i might have some insights on my own preference , which currently is not available to me , and reading other ppl opinion on line is usually useful for me to find glaring issues or strong points , not the inbetween nuances.

Also i might appreciate the upgrade/better piano more as i would actually be moving UP, maybe starting with Ferrari as your first car (i know its not Ferrari as there are other better options , but vs the entry level it sill be a good metaphor) and never driving the Fiat is also something to consider.

Thanks in advance and stay safe. , and sorry if its not 100% CA79 owners post , i didnt want to start a new thread just for my lame dilemma.
Posted By: clothearednincompo Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/09/20 08:26 AM
Originally Posted by bbuk
The CA79 caught my eye as the leading non acoustic option but for that i need 2 items to happen , maybe you can chime in.
1) It needs to be easily moved , I am moving to a new place in the upcoming year.
2) I am getting nervous hearing about this "white noise" that everyone in this thread are talking about , i would feel bad knowing i researched so much and bought something with inherent defect.

Digital piano user's manuals are usually available from the manufacturer's website and they usually include assembly instructions, so you'll see what kind of parts there are in the box. I'd assume the CA79 could be easily disassembled to "manageable" pieces an isn't delivered as a fully pre-assembled unit like some models are.

What white noise? Where? Do you hear it yourself?

People do sometimes say silly things like "There's something wrong with rightmost keys in my digital piano. It's as if there are no dampers." (There are no dampers for the rightmost keys in acoustic pianos.)

And "The keys at left feel heavier than the keys at right." (The keys are often graded to match with acoustic pianos where the touch weight varies due to restrictions in piano design.)

They might also be confused by either the resonance effect or the sustain pedal noise where the dampers rubbing against the strings create "white noise".

If the noise is constant, it's just the recording. If it only appears when the player uses the pedal, it's the pedal noise.

(I suppose...)
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/09/20 08:26 AM
Originally Posted by bbuk
Hi , I am looking to start playing Piano and as i have too much time with the lockdown...

Was in a very similar situation. Tried the es110 and did not like it, so went out and purchased a ca99 thinking it would be my end all perfect piano. Unfortunately my model had some faults, a very distracting rattling noise in the speakers, crackling/noisy headphone jack, and a dead pixel on the lcd screen (not a big issue, but big enough for a £3k instrument).

Because of these faults I returned it and bought a P515. Couldn’t be happier. For my preference the action is 80% as good as Gf3. With the slab, two monitors, and a computer/software running a vst, I paid £1.5k and can use the money saved to buy an acoustic down the line. The portability is also big for me as I am also planning to move soon as well.

That being said, there are a lot of people in this thread that love their CAs.
Posted By: John62 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/09/20 09:07 AM
Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
They might also be confused by either the resonance effect or the sustain pedal noise where the dampers rubbing against the strings create "white noise".

If the noise is constant, it's just the recording. If it only appears when the player uses the pedal, it's the pedal noise.

(I suppose...)

I've just taken delivery of a CA79 and heard exactly the noise you're describing - I thought it was too intrusive so just reduced the volume in the settings. "Problem" solved.

John
Posted By: WalthervonStolzing Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/09/20 09:58 AM
Some random tips/observations:

1 Playing with headphones:

In the Speaker/Headphone settings:

Set "Low Volume Balance" to "OFF"
Set "Spacial Headphone Sound" to "OFF"

This greatly improves sound quality IMHO
(Using the extremely open AKG K501 headphones)

2 After power on:

Swipe from "SK-EX Concert Grand" to "EX Concert Grand" play a few notes, and then swipe back to "SK-EX Concert Grand" (rendering mode).
This improves sound quality of "SK-EX Concert Grand".
NB! Can anyone confirm this?
My theory is that the rendering mode is not fully "engaged" right after you turn instrument on.
The piano sound you get while instrument is in the start-up possess is not the same as the "full rendering" of SK-EX Concert Grand.

3 Playing with speakers:

In the Speaker/Headphone settings:

Set "Speaker Volume" to "Low"

This ( and Set "Low Volume Balance" to "OFF") might remove or decrease the rattling speaker sound.
Posted By: David B Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/09/20 12:23 PM
Originally Posted by bbuk
Lastly (as its my first ever post here , ill also ask the question that nags me in this decision) , maybe it is better to buy a FP30/ES110 "Slab" as you call it , start playing , move easily with it when times comes , and THEN decide what kind of piano i might like , once i have 1 year of experience i might have some insights on my own preference , which currently is not available to me , and reading other ppl opinion on line is usually useful for me to find glaring issues or strong points , not the inbetween nuances.

I think there is wisdom in this. I would consider a Yamaha P45. It has 88 weighted keys, is super light, and can be found for under 500 dollars at most places. Begin the process of learning the piano via whatever method of instruction you're going to use. Go through your move without having to be concerned about a moving a large unit. After you play for a while (it doesn't have to be a year) you will begin to develop a better perspective on what you want and value in a digital piano.

Then you can experiment with different options at local music stores with some basic pieces you've learned over the months or year of instruction. Select an option that meets your needs and fits in your new location. You can keep the P45 to use as a travel piano, or keep it at another location (work/office, etc.) I have a P45 at my work location. It's a good spare piano to have. Or you could sell it via private party and put the money towards your new purchase.

Just don't make the mistake I did. I started with a Yamaha DGX 650, then went to a Kawai ES100, then to a Kawai ES8, then to a Kawai MP11SE, and finally to a Yamaha N1X. I lost money each time I upgraded when I sold the previous piano. Don't make that mistake. Buy your inexpensive starter piano (P45) and then make the next purchase the one you intend to keep for a while. The months or year of playing on the starter piano will give you a better perspective on what you need and want in a digital piano. Hanging out here for a few months will definitely help you become a more informed player/buyer.

Hope this helps.

God Bless,
David
Posted By: bbuk Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/09/20 12:32 PM
Thanks to everyone that responded , I already know some of you from the lurking in the last week or so smile.
DavidB reply reassures my gut feeling , which is go with a good entry level Slab until the move and then pick an "end game" piano (I know the upgrade bug will catch me eventually , but it should last years) , thank you everyone for your time and effort replying!! best of times to you all.
Posted By: robinlb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/09/20 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
3 Playing with speakers:

In the Speaker/Headphone settings:

Set "Speaker Volume" to "Low"

This ( and Set "Low Volume Balance" to "OFF") might remove or decrease the rattling speaker sound.

This is also a useful solution to the problem of my CA98 tweeters being distorted in some VSTs high dynamic and velocity(such as PTQ bechstein).
Although on-board sound will lose some details in mid-treble and a bit dull, but fortunately I've been using two other pairs of desktop coaxial spks and tube pre amplifiers to complement it.
Posted By: JerryY Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/10/20 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
Some random tips/observations:

1 Playing with headphones:

In the Speaker/Headphone settings:

Set "Low Volume Balance" to "OFF"
Set "Spacial Headphone Sound" to "OFF"

This greatly improves sound quality IMHO
(Using the extremely open AKG K501 headphones)

2 After power on:

Swipe from "SK-EX Concert Grand" to "EX Concert Grand" play a few notes, and then swipe back to "SK-EX Concert Grand" (rendering mode).
This improves sound quality of "SK-EX Concert Grand".
NB! Can anyone confirm this?
My theory is that the rendering mode is not fully "engaged" right after you turn instrument on.
The piano sound you get while instrument is in the start-up possess is not the same as the "full rendering" of SK-EX Concert Grand.

3 Playing with speakers:

In the Speaker/Headphone settings:

Set "Speaker Volume" to "Low"

This ( and Set "Low Volume Balance" to "OFF") might remove or decrease the rattling speaker sound.


Thank you so much for your tips! I'll certainly test point 2 you mentioned here when mine arrives.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 05:16 AM
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
Swipe from "SK-EX Concert Grand" to "EX Concert Grand" play a few notes, and then swipe back to "SK-EX Concert Grand" (rendering mode).
This improves sound quality of "SK-EX Concert Grand".
NB! Can anyone confirm this?

I tried this but was unable to hear a difference between the "default" SK-EX Concert Grand and the re-selected SK-EX Concert Grand.

Anyone else?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Duzza Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 07:42 AM
Hi everyone!

Just ordered my first digital piano and after extensive research decided on the CA79! Managed tp get a reasonable deal from piano shop nearby, and it's due to arrive Saturday!

Quick question - I can either put the piano in a bedroom against the wall, or I can put it in my rather echoy lounge/kitchen (4.3m ceiling, not a lot of absorbing surfaces so sound bounces around a lot). Which would be better for the piano?

Thanks,

Duzza
Posted By: markillo Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 08:42 AM
Originally Posted by Razorbill
Was in a very similar situation. Tried the es110 and did not like it, so went out and purchased a ca99 thinking it would be my end all perfect piano. Unfortunately my model had some faults, a very distracting rattling noise in the speakers, crackling/noisy headphone jack, and a dead pixel on the lcd screen (not a big issue, but big enough for a £3k instrument).

I have the same problem with rattling noise from the speakers. I think it is a common fault in the new series. Moreover, my ca-99 has 4 keys much louder than the other ones in the central octave (around +20 in MIDI output)
The dealer told me they will send an engineer and, hopefully, they will solve the issues
Posted By: WalthervonStolzing Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 10:00 AM
Originally Posted by markillo
... Moreover, my ca-99 has 4 keys much louder than the other ones in the central octave (around +20 in MIDI output)
The dealer told me they will send an engineer and, hopefully, they will solve the issues

How did you measure that?
Posted By: thewueth Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 10:17 AM
Hi,

I just bought my CA79 two weeks ago - but unfortunately, I'm also having some issues. In principle, the CA79 is an excellent instrument - the action of the keyboard is fantastic, and the sound is incredible!

But what's annoying me is that several keys produce random, 'plastic' click noises when releasing them. It's worst when the DP hasn't been played for some time (e.g. overnight), it is getting better once I start to play, but it is never 100% gone.

Did anybody here observe a similar behaviour? I hope it's not a general issue with the CA 79...
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 10:34 AM
Hello thewueth, welcome to the forum and congrats on the purchase of your CA79.

May I ask if you would be able to make a video that demonstrates the plastic click noise and send me a link via private message, please?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 02:37 PM
Congrats to Duzza and thewueth on the CA79!

Originally Posted by Duzza
Quick question - I can either put the piano in a bedroom against the wall, or I can put it in my rather echoy lounge/kitchen

I have mine in a moderately echoy room with no sound absorbing features (no carpet, nothing on the walls, and high ceilings) and it sounds fine. I use headphones about half the time and it is fine as well. Should be no issues either way - bedroom or lounge!
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 03:20 PM
So, today I finally got my Kawai SH9 headphones. A box was delivered to me.
And also another somewhat bigger box together with it.
It says CA99 EP on it.
I intend to keep both boxes in quarantine for a few days.
Also because I have to throw away my old piano first to make room for the new one.
And also because I am afraid to try it, after reading all the horror stories here.
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
So, today ... a box was delivered to me ... It says CA99 EP on it.
... I am afraid to try it, after reading all the horror stories here.

Congratulations, Parkher! And be not afraid! Most people (myself included) will typically only post if there is a problem. So if there are 5 threads of issues, there are probably 95 who don't post and have no troubles.

Also, be heartened that Kawai seems to take an active interest in servicing their products, and we have an advocate here in Kawai James who may be able to help escalate if you run into any issues. Just remember that any odd rattling at specific notes MAY be due to the CA99's being too close to a wall, and may need to be pulled back a little. I have a CA79 so my situation is different.

But, I'll add - no troubles with the CA79!
Posted By: BastiaanB Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/11/20 11:06 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
Swipe from "SK-EX Concert Grand" to "EX Concert Grand" play a few notes, and then swipe back to "SK-EX Concert Grand" (rendering mode).
This improves sound quality of "SK-EX Concert Grand".
NB! Can anyone confirm this?

I tried this but was unable to hear a difference between the "default" SK-EX Concert Grand and the re-selected SK-EX Concert Grand.

Anyone else?
I think where this comes from. It is possibly an UI-bug. I will send you a private message with the details.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by BastiaanB
I think where this comes from. It is possibly an UI-bug. I will send you a private message with the details.

Thank you Bastiaan - think you may be right!

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 12:23 AM
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
2 After power on:

Swipe from "SK-EX Concert Grand" to "EX Concert Grand" play a few notes, and then swipe back to "SK-EX Concert Grand" (rendering mode).
This improves sound quality of "SK-EX Concert Grand".

WalthervonStolzing, BastiaanB outlined a case where it's possible to set the instrument to startup with one sound (e.g. Church Organ) while the screen shows SK-EX Rendering. In your case, I believe you may have perhaps inadvertently set the instrument to startup with a piano sound other than the factory default "SK-EX Rendering | Classic", even though the display indicates that this sound is selected.

If possible, please check and if necessary change the System-->Startup Settings type to "Reset". This will ensure the instrument always starts-up with the "SK-EX Rendering | Classic" sound selected.

I've already provided information about this bug to the development team, so am confident it will be fixed in the near future.

I hope this helps. Thanks to BastiaanB for bringing this to my attention.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 05:42 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
Swipe from "SK-EX Concert Grand" to "EX Concert Grand" play a few notes, and then swipe back to "SK-EX Concert Grand" (rendering mode).
This improves sound quality of "SK-EX Concert Grand".
NB! Can anyone confirm this?

I tried this but was unable to hear a difference between the "default" SK-EX Concert Grand and the re-selected SK-EX Concert Grand.

Anyone else?

Kind regards,
James
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Maybe the CA99 is set to stored preset at startup (with a changed Setup of the SK EK).

So when changing to EX and back: SK EK changes to factory setting "classic" and sound "changes".

So it is with my CA99.

Maybe thats the case.

Galuwen

Ah sorry James was faster :-)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 05:43 AM
Galuwen, yes I believe that's the reason.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 08:15 AM
Hello everyone.

My issue with rattling noise keeps persisting, and I'm also noticing some crackle noise from the speakers occasionally. I'm also finding that more keys are beginning to sound plastic-y on release.

Unfortunately, these issues are adding up, and for me, I think the result will be to simply get a refund for the piano and perhaps look for another model. I must admit, I had higher hopes for a piano in this price range.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 09:17 AM
Hello Martin,

I'm sorry to read that.

May I ask, what was the outcome of the technician's visit that you referenced in previous post?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Martin Kjeld Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 11:39 AM
Hi James,

Unfortunately my technician was never able to make it to my apartment due to corona restrictions. So I'm also returning it so that my extended "cancellation" period is not exceeded.

It's unfortunate, but I really, really enjoyed the piano feel and sound, despite the issues I experienced.
Posted By: mivaldes Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 11:57 AM
I bought a CA79 used and found it to be superb. I just sold it to a friend because I'm buying an NV10. And you did read that right, I found a used one!
Posted By: thewueth Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Martin Kjeld
I have also noticed a plastic-y clicking noise when releasing a specific F-key.

Here's a video where it can be heard. First time is at second 3-4.
Video

That is exactly how it is on my CA 79 ;-(
Posted By: Flyingblind Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 09:21 PM
My CA99 arrived. Unfortunately no "white glove" treatment as I requested. The freight guy arrived and he was going to leave my 200lb piano in my carport. I was able to get him to horse it inside. According to him, businesses like Alamo sell the piano but once they're done with that, they're done. Anyhow ... negativity aside he got the piano in my house. I gave him a tip. The positive is that it plays beautifully with so much nuance ... and I don't play piano. I've already recorded a few things. I play oboe, oboe d'amore, flute, and cello and have always wanted a piano for my chamber music friends. I can't wait until the Plague passes.
Posted By: Theinvisibleman Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Martin,

I'm sorry to read that.

May I ask, what was the outcome of the technician's visit that you referenced in previous post?

Kind regards,
James
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Hi James from Kawai,

I have been waiting to buy a CA79 but I’m still holding off until these clicking keys and cracking speaker issues are resolved. Have you informed the kawai HQ in japan about this, maybe you are in Japan?

Regardless I am hopeful you can give us some feedback on what will be done to assure quality.
3000 euro for me is really a massive amount of money And i do not want a bad experience.

Many thanks for your support
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/12/20 09:41 PM
Flyingblind, you paid Alamo for "white glove" service and did not receive it?

I paid only for standard service, and yes they were going to leave it on my porch (CA79). I tipped the guy and he was more than happy to help me hoist it into my front door, which worked fine for me.

Glad you're liking it so far!
Posted By: polarbears Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/13/20 01:48 AM
After months of lurking, I have joined this club since my CA79 in Rosewood arrived a few days ago. Many, many thanks to all who contributed to the lively discussion in this thread - it has been a great help.

The CA79 is an absolute delight to play. I took piano lessons for many years as a child, and had a Kawai upright at the time, but it’s since been a good 16 years since I last played. A few months ago (pre covid) I’d originally gone to the shops hoping to narrow down my selection between the Roland FP30 or the Kawai ES110, but found that I was quite unsatisfied with those options. I tried out the CA78 instead and instantly fell in love - the action and sound just felt like “home”.

I do have a question I would like help with - how is one supposed to adjust the pedal bolt exactly? I know from the instructions that you must turn anti clockwise until it meets the surface (carpet in my case). I had the piano assembled elsewhere before it was moved to my home, so when it was set down it was already meeting the carpet very firmly. I can’t adjust it because the full weight of the piano is already on it - am I supposed to lift the piano and then adjust? I’m finding the sustain pedal very, very stiff and difficult to use. Is it overly adjusted? Will I need to turn it clockwise? Will it harm the piano to continue playing this way? Any help appreciated.
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/13/20 03:50 AM
Ryner,

I’ve been having the same issues as you. I’m the one who made the recording in your post… I played the CA 79 and 99 at my dealer and they both had the same sound, although I feel like the white noise on my piano is more noticeable. The sales person I worked with at the dealership said that he couldn’t hear it on any of the pianos in the store. The sound is very apparent to me but basically he said it must just be the way they are. He was not inclined to send a technician out because the pianos in the store are making a similar sound. Just like both of your pianos… I had Alan, the digital product manager from Kawai send the samples that you heard to his engineers in Japan. I still haven’t heard anything from Japan. Alan did spend quite a bit of time chatting with me on the phone about my issues but at this point there’s nothing that they can do. I’m pretty disappointed. I’ve passed my 30 day return window so I’ll be keeping the piano. I still might try again and have my dealer send a technician out to see if there is an anything that they can do. It’s not as noticeable when the volume is very low but anytime you turn it up more than halfway it’s obvious. I love the way the piano feels and the sound would be great if it wasn’t for the noise.
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/13/20 11:17 AM
Dear Forum Members,

Dear Khavens,
Thx for your message!.. and thx for your recording! Link: https://soundcloud.com/user-928966016/2a-1 (starting at second 8, you can hear what I mean)

Me too I asked about it and I compared it even in another store, and I talked to other people, what they are (in some cases not) hearing. I guess one part is that our ears are more sensible to that kind of higher frequency that it gets so noticeable for us but not for everybody else. Everybody’s different. The other part is I guess that there is something about the speakers of the CA79/99 in general (recordings of the rendering played on other speakers are perfectly clean).

I hope that Kawai will release an update in the future with an EQ, so that we can lower that specific spec, which produces that noise through the internal speakers (till now I am even not sure if light noise is the right word for it, some are writing about rattle (lower register) or distortion or resonance). Maybe its about the tweeters or the amplifier, I am not a technician myself.

Anyways.. on headphones or playing at 30% volume (what I do most of the time) I do not notice it, so at the end I can live with it. As WalthervonStolzing mentioned before, yes, turning volume down does make it better but its not solving the issue at the end.

I will have a technician from Kawai coming by because (again) there is another little problem on my new CA79: One key does not have the right touch (e''), as if something was wrong with the weight, in addition the key makes a louder sound when falling back than the other keys. Hopefully that can be fixed without causing more trouble.

Hey guys, problems problems, but in spite of all the complaints it still is a beautiful instrument and I love it. I compared it to an NV10 AND the real Grand SK-EX, guess what? IMHO the action of the CA79 comes closer to the SK-EX then the one of the NV10!! Sounds strange? - check it yourself wink The CA79 is great!
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/13/20 10:25 PM
I am not sure what I am supposed to hear in that recording.
It seems to me that the recording was made not in a silent room, or the microphone was being moved around. Not from the 8th second but from the very beginning there are (not continuous) sounds as if someone is squeezing paper into a ball or something. I hope those sounds do not come from piano? I suppose I have to hear some other sounds but at the 8th second this scratching paper sound is also present so it prevents me from hearing any other unwelcome sound.
If this scratching sound is the actual problem, then it is impossible to believe anyone could not hear it. And it is also impossible to believe Kawai is selling pianos with such a sound.
Such a sound perhaps could be explained by something getting loose during transportation.
So I assume that sound is from the microphone moved around and touching something while recording. And then at the 13th second there is a loud click too.

Meanwhile, my new CA99 EP is still in the box - from Thursday. As I understand it, I need to unbox it and try it before the 30 day period is over? The timer is ticking smile
Posted By: 2PianoCats Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 09:35 AM
Hello, I’ve been lurking and following this thread for a while. I tested a CA99 last week (along with the NV5, NU1x, and CLP 685), and preferred both the sound and touch of the CA99 (I was incredibly disappointed in the extremely heavy action of the CLP 685, I’ve played on several Yamaha grand pianos, and NONE were that hard to play!). My CA99 is due to be delivered in a couple of days, but I’m becoming rather nervous with all the reports of white noise and rattling from the speakers. I did not notice any of those problems in the show room when I test played it, and my ears are extremely sensitive to such distortion/noise.
Posted By: Mickey_ Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 11:09 AM
There are many happy owners of CA99s, so instead of being nervous, I'd be looking forward to it, 2PianoCats! In case there's something wrong with your unit, you can still worry then. :-)

As you have tested the NV5 and the NU1X as well, may I ask you how you'd describe their sound and touch (maybe even comparing them to each other as well as to the CA99 you preferred)? That'd be interesting to hear.
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 11:23 AM
As someone who had to return their CA99 because of faults, I would agree with Mickey.

Enjoy your new piano, but be critical of any potential flaws while you can still return it. I would recommend that if you notice something is faulty to return the piano right away rather than waiting for a kawai tech, especially during covid so you don't fall out of your return window. My CA99 had the speaker issues that other users are experiencing (rattling in the left size), a noisy headphone input (would constantly crackle), and at least one dead pixel on the LCD display.

Originally Posted by 2PianoCats
Hello, I’ve been lurking and following this thread for a while. I tested a CA99 last week (along with the NV5, NU1x, and CLP 685), and preferred both the sound and touch of the CA99 (I was incredibly disappointed in the extremely heavy action of the CLP 685, I’ve played on several Yamaha grand pianos, and NONE were that hard to play!). My CA99 is due to be delivered in a couple of days, but I’m becoming rather nervous with all the reports of white noise and rattling from the speakers. I did not notice any of those problems in the show room when I test played it, and my ears are extremely sensitive to such distortion/noise.
Posted By: 2PianoCats Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Mickey_
There are many happy owners of CA99s, so instead of being nervous, I'd be looking forward to it, 2PianoCats! In case there's something wrong with your unit, you can still worry then. :-)

As you have tested the NV5 and the NU1X as well, may I ask you how you'd describe their sound and touch (maybe even comparing them to each other as well as to the CA99 you preferred)? That'd be interesting to hear.

Hi Mickey,
I’ve only been teaching myself piano for the past 2 years with no prior experience, so I’m not sure how much my opinion is worth. I quite enjoyed the NV5, but it is sadly out of my price range. I thought it sounded more mellow and rounded compared to the NU1x, and also had quieter key/hammer action. Obviously tone quality is very personal and subjective, and also dependant on the room in which it is played. I’m used to practicing on the various grand pianos at work (opera house) and prefer the grand piano action over that of an upright piano, which is why I was drawn towards the CA99 and CLP685. Due to the pandemic, I realised I needed something better than a cheap keyboard (without weighted keys) to keep progressing.
Posted By: thewueth Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 01:31 PM
Hi everyone,

As it seems that there a lot of happy CA 79/99 owners here (which is great of course ;-)): Do some of the keys of your CA 79/99s also produce random "plastic" click noises on release?

Here's a video where the release clicks can be heard (especially on the C and E keys):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyaxmzgielmmr79/CA-79-clicks.mov

I really would like to know if this is a "common behaviour" or if it only occurs on some units (including mine)...
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 01:57 PM
Never had that issue with my CA99 when I had it. Sounds pretty noticeable in your video. Inb4 "you never play with the sound off, so it's not a problem!"

Originally Posted by thewueth
Hi everyone,

As it seems that there a lot of happy CA 79/99 owners here (which is great of course ;-)): Do some of the keys of your CA 79/99s also produce random "plastic" click noises on release?

Here's a video where the release clicks can be heard (especially on the C and E keys):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyaxmzgielmmr79/CA-79-clicks.mov

I really would like to know if this is a "common behaviour" or if it only occurs on some units (including mine)...
Posted By: Duzza Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 01:57 PM
So, absolutely loving the feel of the CA79!

However, there are very annoyingly white noise/rattle sound towards the left side of the speakers. I've seen a few people have this comment - is this supposed to be the case? Should i try and get it fixed?

Kawai James - anything to comment?

Thanks,

Duzza
Posted By: Mickey_ Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by 2PianoCats
I’ve only been teaching myself piano for the past 2 years with no prior experience, so I’m not sure how much my opinion is worth. I quite enjoyed the NV5, but it is sadly out of my price range. I thought it sounded more mellow and rounded compared to the NU1x, and also had quieter key/hammer action. Obviously tone quality is very personal and subjective, and also dependant on the room in which it is played. I’m used to practicing on the various grand pianos at work (opera house) and prefer the grand piano action over that of an upright piano, which is why I was drawn towards the CA99 and CLP685. Due to the pandemic, I realised I needed something better than a cheap keyboard (without weighted keys) to keep progressing.

Thanks so much for sharing your experience, 2PianoCats. This is exactly what I was looking for!

By the way, I am still not sure what kind of action, to me, is closer to a (real) grand action: a (real!) upright action or a (simulated) grand (!) action? Upright hybrid vs. digital piano? I guess you have found your answer. Well done! :-)
Posted By: JayKoe Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/14/20 08:47 PM
Hey guys,

did anyone of you get the app running on Android with Bluetooth MIDI connection?
My app constantly reporting a missing connection although a BT MIDI connection is established on my device.

Thanks.
Cheers,
J.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/15/20 04:06 AM
Hello JayKoe,

I responded to your query in the separate PianoRemote thread, here:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2991552/#Post2991552

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Marli32 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/16/20 11:24 AM
New CA79 owner here, really loving it! Congratulations to Kawai on making such a beautiful sounding piano with such realistic action. Regarding some issues previous users have mentioned, I haven't got anything to complain about but have the following observations after a week:

- I think there might be a bug in the latest software (running 1.0.6/v1.08). When I switch on the piano with the 'Power Off' or 'Current' startup options, changing the Ambience setting has no effect. If swipe to another piano then back again, the Ambiance setting unblocks. Factory reset had no effect. The issue is not present when using the 'Reset' startup setting. Happy to report this via an official channel if it would help.

- Sometimes I hear some key plasticy sounds maybe from some parts touching each other, but it's very occasional and no worse than my nails sometimes hitting the keys (definitely not like in a video in a previous post).

- On maximum volume if I play higher keys (A5 for example), any piano, all effects off, I can just hear a little 'tss' from the right speaker. For now, not a major issue for me.

- Using the SK-EX piano, all renders, I find the undamped string resonance of some high keys (A6 and D7 I think) resonate quite loudly (a bit piercing for me using flat headphones) but it is only really noticeable releasing keys without the sustain pedal. Otherwise I don't really hear it. I guess this could be considered realistic as it's been sampled that way, and I've never played a really SK-EX to compare. Would be interesting to know if anyone has observed this.

Anyway, as said at the beginning, I'm entirely happy with my purchase and it is an absolute joy to play! Great work Kawai!
Posted By: Enrico96 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/16/20 02:09 PM
Hi, I have the speaker issue too on my CA79.
Have anyone resolved it?
I noticed that the lower speakers under the keyboard doesn't have this problem. Does anyone confirm this difference between the upper and the lower speakers?
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/16/20 02:35 PM
On my CA99 it was only an issue with the top left speaker. The lower speaker rack was fine. Personally, if still possible, I would recommend returning the piano. I have not seen anyone here yet that has had a kawai tech come and resolve the speaker problem. In my situation the audio clip of the fault was sent to Kawai and I was told they could not hear an issue. I might be completely wrong, but based on my interactions it doesn’t seem like they are taking the problem seriously right now. If I was past my refund window at that point I’d have been SOL.

Originally Posted by Enrico96
Hi, I have the speaker issue too on my CA79.
Have anyone resolved it?
I noticed that the lower speakers under the keyboard doesn't have this problem. Does anyone confirm this difference between the upper and the lower speakers?
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/16/20 05:36 PM
I had enough of quarantine (of my new CA99 EP).
It was delivered last Thursday. Finally today, on Tuesday, I have unboxed it.
So far I was not able to detect anything wrong with it.
Except that with all the default settings it sounds too much like a real acoustic piano.
Just minutes ago I had Casio PX-330 in its place, a thing notoriously without any sustain. Now I have seemingly never ending sustain. And lots of resonance.

For those of you who haven't bought it yet: when you switch it on, it gives no sign of being on for about 4 seconds. No need to keep frantically repeatedly pushing the button as I did smile
Posted By: 2PianoCats Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/16/20 06:48 PM
My CA99 was delivered today, and after changing a few settings (wall2 and low speaker output), it seems perfect so far! I’ve done the recommended updates, but haven’t downloaded the remotepiano app yet. I haven’t noticed any faults yet, but if they do turn up in the next week or so, I’ll let you all know.
Posted By: Marli32 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/16/20 07:12 PM
Yeah, I came from a PX-750 and it's like night and day, and as you say particularly with the sustain! (different class and price range of piano though...hehe). My poor Ivory American Concert D VST is going to get sold soon I think...

For the moment I don't feel the speaker issue I have warrants a return as I only hear the speaker (assumed) vibration under testing, and my neighbours wouldn't appreciate me playing the piano at full volume. If it becomes to irritate me, I'll look at getting a technician in under the warranty. Certainly not wishing to put off any prospective buyers, simply thought of giving some personal perspective of some of the previously mentioned issues :-) Me and a friend bought a CA79 each (with a nice discount to suit) and we are entirely happy customers! 100% recommendation from us!
Posted By: kimby Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/16/20 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Marli32
Me and a friend bought a CA79 each (with a nice discount to suit) and we are entirely happy customers! 100% recommendation from us!

So happy for you two! I hope you put your purchase prices in the sticky thread! smile (If you desire to... I just have an unhealthy curiosity!)
Posted By: JerryY Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/16/20 09:29 PM
Hey everyone, first of all I want to show my appreciation as I've learned so much here, and it certainly enabled me to make a more informed decision. Eventually I also ended up buying the CA79 and it arrived yesterday.

After playing around with it for a day, I'm quite happy with the DP, especially the key action and sound quality. It really feels like a different league comparing to its competitors in the price range.

However, I do also hear the rattling/hissing sound/white noise as many of you discuss here. It's becomes very obvious when the lower keys (like C2 and below) are played hard, at max volume. To add, 1. I don't think any of the sound recordings here truly reflect the issue (at least I can't hear it). I don't really understand what you're talking about until I get mine. It's obvious but something really difficult to record. I guess a really good mic is needed here. 2. When I tried to find the source of the sound, I ended up at the gaps between the key cover and the fallboard, on the left side, around the C2 area. So it does become more apparent if I lean to the left. But I didn't hear it from the top mesh speakers at all.

TBH it doesn't bother me that much as mine is in a relatively small and echoy room, so I usually put speaker volume at "Low" (though still max on the volume slider). This helps A LOT reducing that sound. It can barely be heard, especially because I as a beginner seldom needs to touch those lower keys.

I haven't contacted my dealer as I'm not sure what they can do. It looks like there's no "fix" for the issue, and it's so prevalent that an exchange could likely end up another one with the same problem.

Will report back if any update.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 03:27 AM
Ok, so some more impressions:
1. About the Kawai SH9 headphones.
First I tried them with Casio PX-330 and with Korg PA1000, they sounded all right.
But not with CA99. Unfortunately, SH9s are not suitable for CA99.
Way too much bass - like in a barrel. Also, the peak at E6-A6 is actually painful to my ears. In comparison, Sennheiser HD 600 are just perfect for CA99. I was afraid HD600s might be too good and reveal some ugliness or harshness, therefore I got SH9 "optimized for piano". Still, they may be useful for something else.
And HD600s are so comfortable for long usage.

2. After playing mostly on RP Studio and Casio, I have now problems with the keys being too short.
Or rather with the hight of the board at the end of the keys. It extends up for at least 2 cm above the black key tops. On RP Studio, for example - just 1 cm. This 1 cm extra makes a huge difference.
I keep smashing my fingers into that board, unfortunately.
The problem is when playing 10ths on black keys with fingers 1&5. When playing octaves, the hand is higher, but with 10ths it is spread wider and flatter, and so fingers 3 and 2 hit the board at the end of the keys.
For example, try walking down with 10ths from white B-D to black Bb-Db.
If I try curling fingers 2&3, the hand gets tense, if I try reaching up above that 2 cm board, again, the hand gets tense. I think I will need to lower the bench. It works fine only when the wrist is very low and so the 2 & 3 fingers go above that board naturally. If the arm from the elbow to the wrist goes slightly downward, that board becomes an obstacle, if the arm is parallel to the floor - then OK. But I always thought the arm should go slightly down. However, I see some people sitting extremely low, even reaching upwards. Perhaps they are forced to do so because their fingers are too long...
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 04:30 AM
Hello Marli32,

Thank you for your report.

Originally Posted by Marli32
- I think there might be a bug in the latest software (running 1.0.6/v1.08). When I switch on the piano with the 'Power Off' or 'Current' startup options, changing the Ambience setting has no effect. If swipe to another piano then back again, the Ambiance setting unblocks. Factory reset had no effect. The issue is not present when using the 'Reset' startup setting. Happy to report this via an official channel if it would help.

I'm not aware of this particular issue, however I will log it on our internal bug-tracker. I gather that the UI v1.0.7 will change the startup behaviour/checks, so this issue may already be fixed.

Thanks again!

Kind regards,
James
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EDIT: I've just checked this for myself and can confirm the issue - thanks again for your clear explanation.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 04:48 AM
@thread, regarding the reports of "speaker noise".

If you believe that there is an issue with your piano's speaker system (to the point whereby you are unable to enjoy playing the instrument under normal circumstances), please contact your Kawai dealer and/or Kawai distributor for assistance and to have the matter properly logged.

Reporting sound-related issues via the forum, and describing symptoms with words is less than ideal. Different words can describe the same symptom, while different symptoms can also be explained by the same word. Therefore, it's important to be as clear as possible when reporting any issues to Kawai dealers and/or Kawai distributors, in order to prevent misinformation or misdiagnosis.

For those customers who have already reported issues to their Kawai dealer and/or Kawai distributor, thank you in advance for your patience while these matters are investigated and resolved.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 04:58 AM
Originally Posted by Parkher
Sennheiser HD 600 are just perfect for CA99.

Those are 300Ω headphones, I believe. How is the volume output from your CA99?

Originally Posted by Parkher
2. After playing mostly on RP Studio and Casio, I have now problems with the keys being too short.

My apologies if I missed something, but what is "RP Studio"?
Is this related to your CA99?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 10:24 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
Sennheiser HD 600 are just perfect for CA99.

Those are 300Ω headphones, I believe. How is the volume output from your CA99?
Yes, 300Ω headphones. The master volume slider is in the middle position more or less, with the normal headphone volume, high is not needed. So only a fraction of available volume is needed to drive those headphones.
Headphone type: "open", although not sure if I hear any difference compared to "normal".

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
2. After playing mostly on RP Studio and Casio, I have now problems with the keys being too short.

My apologies if I missed something, but what is "RP Studio"?
Is this related to your CA99?
Yes, it is spatially related. I have it close to CA99 smile
RPStudio is a digital piano from GEM (Generalmusic) Real Piano series.
Possibly the very first digital piano in the world with sympathetic string resonance.
At least GEM was the very first to implement it.
Anyway, I have no problem with RPStudio because that board there is only 1 cm high above the top of the black keys. With CA99, the wrist must be kept significantly lower for the fingers to avoid that board and to go to a recess above it instead. I don't think that board can be called the fallboard, because the actual fallboard is located significantly higher. The key-ending-board comes first, then there is the recess, and then the fallboard.
What is the correct technique for playing 10ths on black keys? I see the only way - to keep the wrist low and to aim with the middle fingers for that recess.
Perhaps all depends on the size of the hand. For example, for me, the G key is too short to play comfortably this chord containing the tenth, but some other people are able to do so easily:
A-G-C#. Here, it would be so much easier for me to play that G with more straight finger, but, unfortunately, the key ends before that point. This particular case is not CA99 related. The key just ends, it doesn't matter how high the recess is located.

So I tried again to produce those problems people have on the left side:
Master volume: maximum, touch curve - the lightest, hitting the key C2 and lower as hard as I can: no rattling or buzzing or white noise or anything, just normal piano sound. Although very loud.
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 10:55 AM
Kawai James, are you suggesting people not report issues with their CA79/99 on this forum and instead directly report to Kawai to quietly wait for a resolution? This is not an isolated problem, many people have the exact. same. issue. To some it does not hinder their playing experience, which is great. To me it did.

Referring to the widely reported fault as “““speaker noise””” is intentionally downplaying the issue. It has been consistently described as a rattling/white noise. It is wild that you seem to be inferring that users are not describing the flaw clearly/competently to their dealers or here on the forums.

You could have posted a reasonable response acknowledging the reported issue...even showing concern that so many people who spent so much money on an instrument are unhappy.
Instead your “response” reads like thinly veiled condescension.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
@thread, regarding the reports of "speaker noise".

If you believe that there is an issue with your piano's speaker system (to the point whereby you are unable to enjoy playing the instrument under normal circumstances), please contact your Kawai dealer and/or Kawai distributor for assistance and to have the matter properly logged.

Reporting sound-related issues via the forum, and describing symptoms with words is less than ideal. Different words can describe the same symptom, while different symptoms can also be explained by the same word. Therefore, it's important to be as clear as possible when reporting any issues to Kawai dealers and/or Kawai distributors, in order to prevent misinformation or misdiagnosis.

For those customers who have already reported issues to their Kawai dealer and/or Kawai distributor, thank you in advance for your patience while these matters are investigated and resolved.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 11:11 AM
I don't find any condescension in any of that. None.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 11:19 AM
What about this strange tiny needle-like thing in the right-most hinge of the music rest of CA99?
Once the music rest is opened, it does not allow to close it back, because it is difficult to fit its sharp end back to that tiny hole. I just removed it altogether.
What is its purpose? A secret trap? Not mentioned in the manual.
Posted By: Mickey_ Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 11:30 AM
Originally Posted by Razorbill
Kawai James, are you suggesting people not report issues with their CA79/99 on this forum and instead directly report to Kawai to quietly wait for a resolution? This is not an isolated problem, many people have the exact. same. issue. To some it does not hinder their playing experience, which is great. To me it did.

Referring to the widely reported fault as “““speaker noise””” is intentionally downplaying the issue. It has been consistently described as a rattling/white noise. It is wild that you seem to be inferring that users are not describing the flaw clearly/competently to their dealers or here on the forums.

You could have posted a reasonable response acknowledging the reported issue...even showing concern that so many people who spent so much money on an instrument are unhappy.
Instead your “response” reads like thinly veiled condescension.

Razorbill, Kawai James is neither Kawai's spokesperson nor Kawai's troubleshooter in this forum (in his signature, he even writes, "Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own."). He is kind enough to make sure that people report their issues to those that can, and must, solve them: the dealers and distributors – which, in my opinion, is the best way to deal with these complaints.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 11:34 AM
Hello Razorbill,

Originally Posted by Razorbill
Kawai James, are you suggesting people not report issues with their CA79/99 on this forum and instead directly report to Kawai to quietly wait for a resolution?

Customers such as yourself are obviously free to post any concerns they might have with a product. However, my advice is that reporting issues directly to the dealer and/or distributor is generally the most productive route to pursue.

Originally Posted by Razorbill
Referring to the widely reported fault as “““speaker noise””” is intentionally downplaying the issue.

It is not my intention to downplay this issue. I genuinely believe that some customers are unfortunately experiencing sound-related issues. The use of quotation marks around "speaker noise" was to group similar reports posted within this thread, and in no way an attempt to undermine nor condescend customers who are experiencing issues.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Parkher
What about this strange tiny needle-like thing in the right-most hinge of the music rest of CA99?
Once the music rest is opened, it does not allow to close it back, because it is difficult to fit its sharp end back to that tiny hole. I just removed it altogether.
What is its purpose? A secret trap? Not mentioned in the manual.

Are you perhaps referring to this hinge?

[Linked Image]

(looking directly at the CA99, with the music rest lowered)

If so, I believe this notch, highlighted by the box, is the same as an upright piano.
If not, can you share a picture that illustrates what you are referring to, please?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Enrico96 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 11:54 AM
Can anybody with an ok speaker sistem send us an high volume sample of the lowest keys so we can ensure that the “noise/rattling” isn’t normal?
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 12:07 PM
Appreciate the reasonable reply. It seems I was mistaken in thinking you were a Kawai spokesperson. My personal experience returning the product via my dealer was not easy. Transparency is important and I misinterpreted your message as a kawai representative telling users to avoid reporting issues publicly. I'm sorry for that


Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Razorbill,

Originally Posted by Razorbill
Kawai James, are you suggesting people not report issues with their CA79/99 on this forum and instead directly report to Kawai to quietly wait for a resolution?

Customers such as yourself are obviously free to post any concerns they might have with a product. However, my advice is that reporting issues directly to the dealer and/or distributor is generally the most productive route to pursue.

Originally Posted by Razorbill
Referring to the widely reported fault as “““speaker noise””” is intentionally downplaying the issue.

It is not my intention to downplay this issue. I genuinely believe that some customers are unfortunately experiencing sound-related issues. The use of quotation marks around "speaker noise" was to group similar reports posted within this thread, and in no way an attempt to undermine nor condescend customers who are experiencing issues.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: thewueth Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Enrico96
Can anybody with an ok speaker sistem send us an high volume sample of the lowest keys so we can ensure that the “noise/rattling” isn’t normal?

Hi Enrico96,

here is a recording of my CA 79. I would say, it has no "noises/rattles" - to be honest, I find the sound pretty amazing ;-)

I recorded the sample 25-30 cm away from the upper left front corner using a Rode NT4 and a Tascam DR 100 MKIII. The sample is unprocessed, except the fact that I normalized it to -3 dB. So take care, it is loud quite from the beginning.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/92qtkifww6khnj7/Kawai-CA-79.wav

BTW, no issues with plastic click noises?
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 04:42 PM
With regard to speaker noise:
Thanks for you recording, sounds very good but I can hear the same light distortions like in my piano, its kind of a light "tsss" on top of it. Maybe I am really oversensitive but I can hear it similar like in the recording from Khavens.

BUT: This could help everybody, who is sensible hearing this kind of noise/rattle:
Go to: Menu/Speaker'Headphone/Tone Control -> User/Edit: turn down "High" (at the bottom of the list) and hear what happens in your case.
In my case the noise is completely gone(!!) when I turn the "High" to the very low and it increases very much when I turn it up.

How about you?
Does this work for those with the same noise issue?

So there could be this conclusion: tweeters seem to be active even when lows/mids are played and are not capable to produce sound so they are giving the noise instead.
Posted By: Galuwen Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
What about this strange tiny needle-like thing in the right-most hinge of the music rest of CA99?
Once the music rest is opened, it does not allow to close it back, because it is difficult to fit its sharp end back to that tiny hole. I just removed it altogether.
What is its purpose? A secret trap? Not mentioned in the manual.

Are you perhaps referring to this hinge?

[Linked Image]

(looking directly at the CA99, with the music rest lowered)

If so, I believe this notch, highlighted by the box, is the same as an upright piano.
If not, can you share a picture that illustrates what you are referring to, please?

Kind regards,
James
x


As James wrote : Same as on an acoustic piano: It prevents the music rest to fall down on the keys when cover is closed (after Years when hinge is moving more freely).

Galuwen
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
What about this strange tiny needle-like thing in the right-most hinge of the music rest of CA99?
Once the music rest is opened, it does not allow to close it back, because it is difficult to fit its sharp end back to that tiny hole. I just removed it altogether.
What is its purpose? A secret trap? Not mentioned in the manual.

Are you perhaps referring to this hinge?

[Linked Image]

(looking directly at the CA99, with the music rest lowered)

If so, I believe this notch, highlighted by the box, is the same as an upright piano.
Yes, I am referring to this needle. I just removed it and put it away.
Otherwise the music rest wouldn't close and then the key cover could not be lowered.


Some more questions:

1.
I am looking at CA99 midi implementation chart.
It says:
Control Change 0, 32 Bank Select - Transmit: YES.
I wonder how to specify the MSB and LSB I want to transmit.
I need to be able to do that.
But I suspect that it transmits only the bank numbers of the selected CA99 instrument.

2.
Is it possible that those sound problems are related to the firmware version?
I have no problems with:
UI: 1.0.4
Touch Screen: 3.3.17
Firmware: V1.05

I see that firmware 1.0.8 is available and LCD (I assume - UI) 1.0.6.
Is it possible that I too will get those rattling white noise problems if I update my firmware?
A related question: is it possible to go back to an older version once a newer one was installed?

3.
I don't see (at least looking at the manual) an option for custom temperament.
And likewise, for custom stretch tuning.
It should be possible to specify both a custom repeated one-octave-tuning (temperament) and a custom global tuning (for stretching and other purposes). Then you could save your custom tuning and recall it when you need it.
At least it is possible in my ancient GEM RP-X piano module. I would be surprised if it is not possible in CA99. Because it has only a limited number of temperaments and then you are stuck with them because tuning through midi is not supported either, according to the midi implementation chart.

4.
Speaking of custom settings, what about the per-key volume and voicing - the firmware changelog does not indicate them yet.
I still get uneven volume through the speakers - perhaps some local resonances, etc.
It is evident in trebles when playing arpeggios, even though I am damping highs.
So these per-key adjustments would be very welcome.
Although even better would be separate per-key adjustments for the speakers and for headphones. And I don't know how it works - perhaps it is possible to switch off the per-key adjustments all at once, when using headphones. And then switch them on again. That would be OK too.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by Galuwen
As James wrote : Same as on an acoustic piano: It prevents the music rest to fall down on the keys when cover is closed (after Years when hinge is moving more freely).
After I opened the music rest, I was not able to close it back. On which side that needle is supposed to stay anyway? It stayed on the rest side with the sharp end pointing out, and all wobbly.
An easily accessible hook or a latch at the very end of the music rest would be much better.
Or at both ends. Or at the top of the music rest in its middle.
Posted By: Enrico96 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/17/20 05:53 PM
Thanks A lot for the replay and the registration.
About the plastic click you mentioned i don’t have them.
E.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/18/20 03:00 AM
Hello Parkher,

Originally Posted by Parkher
Yes, I am referring to this needle. I just removed it and put it away.
Otherwise the music rest wouldn't close and then the key cover could not be lowered.

May I ask how did you remove this piece?
It should be part of the hinge, and is used to prevent the music rest from falling down when the key lid is closed.
I believe this is a common method used on all upright pianos.

Originally Posted by Parkher
1.
I am looking at CA99 midi implementation chart.
It says:
Control Change 0, 32 Bank Select - Transmit: YES.
I wonder how to specify the MSB and LSB I want to transmit.
I need to be able to do that.
But I suspect that it transmits only the bank numbers of the selected CA99 instrument.

I will check this point for you.

Originally Posted by Parkher
2.
Is it possible that those sound problems are related to the firmware version?
I have no problems with:
UI: 1.0.4
Touch Screen: 3.3.17
Firmware: V1.05

I see that firmware 1.0.8 is available and LCD (I assume - UI) 1.0.6.
Is it possible that I too will get those rattling white noise problems if I update my firmware?
A related question: is it possible to go back to an older version once a newer one was installed?

I don't believe the software version is related to the speaker noise that some customers have reported.
It should be fine to update the software to the latest version. I should be able to provide links to download older versions if necessary.

Originally Posted by Parkher
3.
I don't see (at least looking at the manual) an option for custom temperament.
And likewise, for custom stretch tuning.

These functions are part of the "User Virtual Technician" and will be implemented with a future software update, planned for later in the year.

Originally Posted by Parkher
4.
Speaking of custom settings, what about the per-key volume and voicing - the firmware changelog does not indicate them yet.

These per-key adjustments are also part of the "User Virtual Technician" and will be implemented with a future software update.

Originally Posted by Parkher
And I don't know how it works - perhaps it is possible to switch off the per-key adjustments all at once, when using headphones. And then switch them on again. That would be OK too.

Currently, it is not possible to set separate Virtual Technician adjustments for speakers and headphones. However, it is of course possible to create "User" (note: not related to "User Virtual Technician") sounds with separate settings and alternate between the two when using speakers/headphones.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/18/20 05:58 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Parkher,

Originally Posted by Parkher
Yes, I am referring to this needle. I just removed it and put it away.
Otherwise the music rest wouldn't close and then the key cover could not be lowered.

May I ask how did you remove this piece?
It should be part of the hinge, and is used to prevent the music rest from falling down when the key lid is closed.
I believe this is a common method used on all upright pianos.
Well, when I opened the music rest for the first time, I saw that I cannot close it back. Then I saw this sharp needle end sticking from the rest part of the hinge. And on the fallboard part of the hinge there is a tiny hole for it. But when closing the rest, it was impossible to get the needle into the hole, because the needle was all wobbly, moving around in all directions and it was not possible to reach with my fingers to guide it into the hole. Perhaps it could be done with some tweezers. Every time when closing the rest. But what's the point - it would not hold anything anyway. I just took the needle with two fingers and removed it from the rest part of the hinge without applying any force.
The other end, the one that was still in the hinge after opening the rest - it has a rounded end.
It seems that the wrong end of that needle was extracted when opening the rest.
Perhaps I should put some superglue on the sharp end and hammer it into the fallboard part of the hinge.


Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
1.
I am looking at CA99 midi implementation chart.
It says:
Control Change 0, 32 Bank Select - Transmit: YES.
I wonder how to specify the MSB and LSB I want to transmit.
I need to be able to do that.
But I suspect that it transmits only the bank numbers of the selected CA99 instrument.

I will check this point for you.

Thanks. But I am not hopeful. I think the idea is for CA99 to allow recording what you play to some external sequencer or DAW, not to control other keyboards or midi expander boxes, or software instruments.
However, that is exactly what I want to do. To add more instruments to CA99, including more pianos, by sending midi out and getting the sound back through line in. At least to experiment with it.
I have the following hardware to be tried this way:
• Korg PA1000 with Musikant add-on (it also allows to load up to 300 MB/600 MB with compression of sf2 soundfonts)
• GEM RP-X piano module with Steinway and Fazioli.
• Dexibell Vivo SX7 with 4 great pianos etc. (also allows to load up to 1.5 GB of sf2 soundfonts)
• V3 Sound Grand Piano XXL (with Steinway & Bösendorfer)
And of course, software instruments could be used this way as well.

One of my expander boxes (V3) does not have any buttons on it to select instruments. It relies on midi control messages. And it has lots of instruments in various banks. I guess, I may have to find a way to control it from somewhere else while still using it with CA99. It can be done. If necessary, it is pretty easy to write such a tool so that CA99 sends midi to a PC, and the PC passes that midi to the expander box. But the PC can also add its own control messages to switch banks. Not only that. Then I could add messages to control effects as well. Such messages are not supported in CA99 according to the midi implementation chart.
Perhaps not a PC, perhaps an iPad on the music rest of CA99. Or an android tablet.
Such tools, at least for PC, may already exist, I think one exists for sure.
If not, I have some experience in writing midi tools for PC, and with apps for android (not midi-related, though) but I never tried anything with iOS yet.
I don't even have an iPad. But when I ordered CA99, I also ordered the new 2020 iPad Pro 12.9" to be used with CA99 - still waiting for it smile
I guess, for now I could try my 7.2" android phone - still bigger screen than in CA99 smile
I also have several 10.3" android e-ink e-readers but not sure if I can make them work with midi (they have bluetooth and usb otg). They are pretty good for sheet-music, though. Speaking of which, 13.3" e-readers are even better. But with 12.9" iPad Pro and with a big PC monitor hanging on the wall (shortly?) above/behind CA99 - not sure if I need such a reader. Yes, I left a gap of 22 cm between the wall and CA99. I did not aim it to be 22 cm. I measured afterwards smile
For now, at least. I might reduce the gap a bit later, if the sound does not get worse.
An idea: when reducing the gap, those rattling and white noise problems might appear!


As to my other questions - very good news from you.
Thank you very much.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/18/20 08:16 AM
Hello Parkher,

From what you describe, it sounds like the pin of the right-side music rest hinge may have snapped-off somehow.

Would you be able to share/send a picture showing the left and right hinges, please?

Regarding your MIDI query, I'm afraid it's not possible for the CA99 to transmit MSB and LSB using the touchpanel. Therefore, you will need to find another way to send this MIDI data to the devices that you intend to use.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/18/20 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Parkher,

From what you describe, it sounds like the pin of the right-side music rest hinge may have snapped-off somehow.

Would you be able to share/send a picture showing the left and right hinges, please?
I think the picture of the pin is what you want to see, not the hinges.
The left hinge is a completely ordinary hinge, just like the middle one.
The right hinge has two additional holes in it, one in the upper part (on the fallboard), another - on the bottom part (on the rest).
Those holes are absent on the left and on the middle hinges.
And the pin was sticking from the bottom hole on the rest with its thin sharp end up and available to pierce a finger. But it was not fixed to the bottom hole at all. Easy to remove or to put it back again.

I tried (and badly failed, sorry) to take pictures of the hinge with the pin sticking from it, and of the pin separately, so that both its ends are visible.
The other end of the pin is round, not sharp.
Is it possible that that pin is broken? And actually it is supposed to be longer than that?
But it has a conical shape and gets very narrow, so it has to break by design then.

So, this is the pin (it is actually silvery white):
[img]https://ibb.co/2FrD178[/img]

Badly out of focus with pin as I found it when I opened the music rest first time:
[img]https://ibb.co/ZJHMC8H[/img]

Here, you can see the pin but also inside the hole:
[img]https://ibb.co/yfsHyry[/img]

And here - the pin is taken out and put next to the hinge:
[img]https://ibb.co/J3vgkNJ[/img]

Oh, so inserting image links does not work on this forum. But still, the links are working.
Even better, less people will see my failure at photography.
Posted By: 9190 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/18/20 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
Oh, so inserting image links does not work on this forum. But still, the links are working.
Links to images work great on this forum if you are trying to insert links to images, and not to web pages containing them.
[Linked Image]
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/18/20 07:20 PM
This was supposed to be a silver bullet, fired from a Kawai CA99 gun.
Posted By: JerryY Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/18/20 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Ryner
With regard to speaker noise:
Thanks for you recording, sounds very good but I can hear the same light distortions like in my piano, its kind of a light "tsss" on top of it. Maybe I am really oversensitive but I can hear it similar like in the recording from Khavens.

BUT: This could help everybody, who is sensible hearing this kind of noise/rattle:
Go to: Menu/Speaker'Headphone/Tone Control -> User/Edit: turn down "High" (at the bottom of the list) and hear what happens in your case.
In my case the noise is completely gone(!!) when I turn the "High" to the very low and it increases very much when I turn it up.

How about you?
Does this work for those with the same noise issue?

So there could be this conclusion: tweeters seem to be active even when lows/mids are played and are not capable to produce sound so they are giving the noise instead.

Hey Ryner really appreciate you sharing this. I can confirm that this also works on my CA79 100%! The hissing sound is completely gone. It even helps even I set my "Speaker Volume" to "Low", making the noise from "barely audible" to "completely disappeared".

I'm also a little surprised I can't hear much difference on the sound except for the noise gone.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/18/20 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by JerryY
I'm also a little surprised I can't hear much difference on the sound except for the noise gone.
The difference is significant. Try playing at high velocities. With high turned down, the metallic coloring is significantly reduced - which is bad. It should be there.
Perhaps that is what you are hearing and complaining about?
I don't think so, but just in case, I am asking...
This metallic coloring is essential.
I sometimes deliberately set voicing to dynamic, touch curve to the very lightest and enjoy very colorful music smile And I mean colourful - when playing softly the metal is still absent but shows up very easily. Plenty of contrasting sounds.

For you English people - sorry, colour does not pass my spellchecker, even though my fingers type colour every time. I myself do not participate in this spelling dispute between my fingers and the spellchecker. But I don't like seeing red smile
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 08:05 AM
Yea I admid that turing highs down results in a mellow sound which is in my view also missing essential colours, but it helps against the noise/hissing and so far I have not a better solution (besides turning volume down to a level, which is slightly under the natural volume of an upright).

Maybe Kawai will update the EQ one day, so that we could adjust the frequencies in detail and not just broadly "high". That could make a better sound.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 09:49 AM
Hello Parkher,

Thank you for the pictures.

It appears that the pin has indeed fallen out.

The sharper end should go into the hole in the hinge on the piano side.
Then the rounded end should stick out, and go into the hole in the music rest when raised.

Are you able to push the sharper end of the pin back into the hole (on the piano side)?

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Parkher,

Thank you for the pictures.

It appears that the pin has indeed fallen out.

The sharper end should go into the hole in the hinge on the piano side.
Then the rounded end should stick out, and go into the hole in the music rest when raised.

Are you able to push the sharper end of the pin back into the hole (on the piano side)?
Let me try. Yes!. It stays firmly in the upper hole. When I am closing the rest and opening it again - it still stays in the upper hole. I really did not expect that. If it fell out once, it might fall out again. On the other hand, each time when closing the rest its conical end is squeezed in rather hardly into the upper hole again.
Thanks
Posted By: 2PianoCats Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
2. After playing mostly on RP Studio and Casio, I have now problems with the keys being too short.
Or rather with the hight of the board at the end of the keys. It extends up for at least 2 cm above the black key tops. On RP Studio, for example - just 1 cm. This 1 cm extra makes a huge difference.
I keep smashing my fingers into that board, unfortunately.
The problem is when playing 10ths on black keys with fingers 1&5. When playing octaves, the hand is higher, but with 10ths it is spread wider and flatter, and so fingers 3 and 2 hit the board at the end of the keys.
For example, try walking down with 10ths from white B-D to black Bb-Db.
If I try curling fingers 2&3, the hand gets tense, if I try reaching up above that 2 cm board, again, the hand gets tense. I think I will need to lower the bench. It works fine only when the wrist is very low and so the 2 & 3 fingers go above that board naturally. If the arm from the elbow to the wrist goes slightly downward, that board becomes an obstacle, if the arm is parallel to the floor - then OK. But I always thought the arm should go slightly down. However, I see some people sitting extremely low, even reaching upwards. Perhaps they are forced to do so because their fingers are too long...

This intrigued me, so I measured the length of the keys of the Steinway concert grand at work and found them to be the same length as the CA99. The fall board of the Steinway is right up against the keys too (brushing the back half) when opening it. The only difference is that the fall board can be removed on a grand piano. I didn’t have access to any upright pianos for comparison.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by 2PianoCats
This intrigued me, so I measured the length of the keys of the Steinway concert grand at work and found them to be the same length as the CA99. The fall board of the Steinway is right up against the keys too (brushing the back half) when opening it. The only difference is that the fall board can be removed on a grand piano. I didn’t have access to any upright pianos for comparison.
Yes, at least CA99 has a recess 2 cm above the keys. Without it it is even worse.
A 10th on two black keys has to be played at the very edge of the black keys, I guess.
Also white-black 10ths are somewhat problematic but to a lesser degree.
Or you need to have larger hands - then the hand does not have to go so flat and low and the fingers 2-3-4 curl down naturally, completely relaxed, just like playing an octave. The keys are not too short when playing an octave on black keys instead of a 10th.
Posted By: JoBert Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 02:36 PM
Parkher, you realize that all acoustic grand pianos, played by all pianists anywhere, have such a fallboard immediately behind the keys? And no, those grands do not have longer keys. Yet these pianists somehow manage fine...
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by JoBert
Parkher, you realize that all acoustic grand pianos, played by all pianists anywhere, have such a fallboard immediately behind the keys? And no, those grands do not have longer keys. Yet these pianists somehow manage fine...
Not all of them. Some of them can't even reach 10ths.
The problem is for those who can play tenths with a pretty flat hand only.
No tenths - no problem. Tenths with high tent (hand) - again, no problem.
But yes, piano keys could be longer, why not. Piano keyboards predate the times when people even fought about playing tenths, it seems. And then try to change anything. Even most of computer keyboards are as if deliberately designed to cause pain to the left wrist. No rational explanation.
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by JoBert
Parkher, you realize that all acoustic grand pianos, played by all pianists anywhere, have such a fallboard immediately behind the keys? And no, those grands do not have longer keys. Yet these pianists somehow manage fine...

They do manage. But when you have big hands, hitting the fallboard seems to be a normal thing. The topic is oft-discussed, too:
https://livingpianos.com/do-pianists-scratch-the-fallboard-on-a-piano/
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/209900/1.html

I love images like this one (man, talk about dedication to the craft, no?):
[Linked Image]

With a digital, you have the option of finding a piano with a low (or nearly non-existent) fallboard. With an acoustic, some uprights have a recessed fallboard, and most grands let you remove the fallboard entirely, which I know some pianists do. From what I've seen, the *vast* majority just live with it as JoBert suggests. If scratches build character, gouges must create kings.
Posted By: CyberGene Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 04:07 PM
The most scratches on my otherwise shiny N1X are exactly on the fallboard from fingernails scratching it when playing close to it. So, I can somehow sympathize with that complaint but yeah, all pianos are like that.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by Gombessa
But when you have big hands, hitting the fallboard seems to be a normal thing.
I again would like to suggest that when hands are not big enough - then you hit the fallboard.
I notice hitting the fallboard only when playing black-black and white-black tenths.
Try playing a black-black tenth and a black-black octave. You see that with octave hand stays higher and the middle fingers just naturally drop down not touching the fallboard.
But with a tenth the hand spreads wider and goes lower and it is difficult to curl the middle fingers to avoid the fallboard. Now, someone with really big hands can play tenths just like octaves with the hand high enough not to hit the fallboard.
And in the case of CA99, it is not really the fallboard. The actual fallboard is much higher, and thankfully, there is a recess, only it is a bit too high and almost too shallow but barely just enough. Not sure about CA79.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 05:42 PM
After hearing the sample provided by a member I'm curious to know if anyone hears the rattling sound on other piano samples besides from SK-EX concert grand?
This just sounds like the typical metallic twang you get from a brighter sounding piano. Perhaps the white noise people describe is just the slow decay of this metal characteristic?
I recommend trying different piano samples and playing around with the brightness control with a more mellow setting.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 06:13 PM
Exactly. I don't hear anything wrong too. In that sample or from my own CA99.
Not all the keys sound equally smoothly as well. For example, E1 fluctuates with higher frequency than others, B1 has a pronounced initial twang which decays quickly and then the sound continues sort of without it, but other keys, for example C2 next to it - the same twang character continues during sustain with slow fluctuation.
All this is normal.
And the default "normal" stretching is not enough for me. "Wide" seems to be much better.
I may want to stretch even more, when it becomes possible (later this year?)
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 06:24 PM
I had a very clear rattling sound with every piano voice. It was even worse on the electric pianos and upright sound. There is no way it was a software issue with my CA99. If anything it sounds more like the speaker was positioned too close to the top left of the cabinet and/or is loose.

Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
After hearing the sample provided by a member I'm curious to know if anyone hears the rattling sound on other piano samples besides from SK-EX concert grand?
This just sounds like the typical metallic twang you get from a brighter sounding piano. Perhaps the white noise people describe is just the slow decay of this metal characteristic?
I recommend trying different piano samples and playing around with the brightness control with a more mellow setting.
Posted By: InspiredByKawai Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 06:39 PM
So the sound you are hearing on yours is different from the recording posted using the line-out sound of piano?
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/19/20 08:30 PM
The sound I was hearing on mine was through the built-in speaker system.


Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
So the sound you are hearing on yours is different from the recording posted using the line-out sound of piano?
Posted By: Khavens Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/20/20 03:44 PM
Just tried this setting adjustment and it seems to work. If I listen very closely I can still hear the Saint white noise sound even with the “hi“ tone all the way down. But when you turn the “hi“ tone all the way up it amplifies the white noise significantly. This seems to be where the problem is coming from. It also seems to me that there should be some sort of solution or fix for this.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/20/20 05:39 PM
Khavens, so you think every CA79/CA99 has it?
Even that posted sample where I hear nothing.
If that sample has it, perhaps it could be possible to attempt to filter that white noise out in that sample first without damaging the piano sound itself, so that I don't hear anything changed in it but you hear it fixed.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/20/20 05:46 PM
To be clear, I mean this sample (or rather samples of several keys) recorded by thewueth:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...i-ca79-ca99-owners-club.html#Post2992365
Posted By: Enrico96 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/20/20 06:18 PM
Also in your case this sound is less evident in headphones?
Posted By: EugeneJenia Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/20/20 08:28 PM
Hello.
Can somebody who got good both experience with gf2 and now got gf3 share experience and feelings, comparing thoose two? I am owner of ca78 and think to switch to 79/99 only because of keyboard. But in Russia those instruments are not represented in Kawai showroom, so I can not test it.
Posted By: Piligrim Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/20/20 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by EugeneJenia
Can somebody who got good both experience with gf2 and now got gf3 share experience and feelings, comparing thoose two?
I asked this question before and had no response unfortunately.
Originally Posted by EugeneJenia
But in Russia those instruments are not represented in Kawai showroom, so I can not test it.
Despite of Kawai’s showroom is a nice place where you can try a lot of acoustic and digital pianos, I suppose neither Ca79 nor CA99 won’t be available for test in showroom next few months because Kawai exports to Russia only 1-3 of CA99 and CA79 once per 2 months and all of them are sold.
Posted By: Hikenkami Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/20/20 09:18 PM
Hi everyone! As they say, better late than never!

After much struggling about buying a CSP-170, and a visit to a Piano Store, I am leaving next week my little Casio PX-160 that motivated me to take piano "seriously" again, and made the passionate-but-not-so-wise-financially choice to acquire the prestigious CA99. I wasn't so sure about it because I was wondering about my motivation, but after hearing me play, the sales rep from the store told me that my piano level was far too high for an instrument of the caliber of the CSP, which was a fine instrument, but wouldn't do me justice. I thought about selling shenanigans at first, but he told me that he didn't have any CA99 in stock and gave me several websites from which to order.

So here I am, eager to put my hands on it and try the very first "serious" melody I played while learning piano in conservator... To Zanarkand from Final Fantasy X (being nostalgic and all).

I'll be sure to post my impressions and pictures once I get it!
Posted By: rafalb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/20/20 11:32 PM
Hi everyone. At the beginning I apologize for my poor english. I appreciate all your efforts here and valuable informations that I found here. I am new on the forum and also at the beginning of adventure with piano music. I' ve been learning by myself during last two years using quite simple keyboards such as Komplete Control A61, and Alesia keyboard and vst. Now I am going to make another step, start learning with teacher so I am looking for first, more serious and more similar to upright piano instrument. I have already done quite wide research - both: online and by testing many digital and acoustic pianos. I checked Yamaha CLP pianos, Casio, Roland but I was most impressed by Kawai products. I am thinkg about CA78, CA98 or pianos from new series - CA79 and CA99. What I am worrying much is the noise, rattling - resonance sound issue that I experienced the most with CA99, a bit less with CA79 and CA98 and least with CA78. This is something that I hear clearly and I suppose that it would disturbs me a lot especially that I would like to play often without headphones. I will really appreciate for any advices in my choosing process. Do you think that there is a chance to solve the problem with rattling speaker in the nearest time for example by another update of software? Or maybe appropriate changing sound settings can solve the problem sufficiently and eliminate the issue in the satisfactional level? In this point I will be very grateful for any informations from James Kawai. According to rattling sound problem I am thinking about choosing CA78 for now as I didn't noticed this issue in this model. But what about action. Is there a big difference in this ascpect between GFII and GFIII? Is it something that is really worth to go to new series? I am also wonder about lack of soundboard if I take CA78 (or 79) . I can hear that this make a real difference and sound is deeper, more realistic but I don't find it as important as rattling sound issue.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 03:42 AM
rafalb,
do you hear this rattling sound also in this sample of CA79?
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...i-ca79-ca99-owners-club.html#Post2992365
Because if you do not - then not every CA79 or CA99 has it. I don't hear any rattling in this sample, and I don't hear any rattling in my own CA99.
So it would be very important to know what you think about that sample.
Because it is not clear to me if some people do not hear what others do, or only some instruments have problems because perhaps some screw became loose during transportation and needs to be tightened up.
Posted By: Beowulf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 05:54 AM
So, I finally got to try out the top 2 models of the Kawai CA series - both the current and previous generations (78, 98, 79, 99). The sales rep let me play for as long as I liked and I think I must have played for about 45 minutes at the showroom, including about 5 minutes on a Kawai GX-3.

IMO, the GFII action on the previous models actually felt closer to the GX-3's Millennium III action. I thought the GFIII would feel really similar to the GFII, but they are entirely different to me. The GFIII is lighter and a lot more responsive. It's a truly remarkable keyboard to play on.

Moving on to the speakers of the CA79 and 99, besides playing by myself, I got the sales rep to play it so I can listen from a non-playing perspective. I felt that the depth of the sound coming through both DPs were worlds apart. The CA99 really envelops you. It just sounded so much richer and warmer than its little brother. I would assume that's caused by the soundboard? If so, I really can't understand how anyone could call it just a gimmick.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 07:24 AM
How to connect a sustain pedal to CA99?
Is there a way to do so?
My two other digital pianos both have three-pedal assemblies, but they both still allow to connect a separate sustain pedal.
Therefore I grew accustomed to playing the sustain pedal located at approximately C6 position.
It is much more comfortable that way, and I feel stable, no danger of falling over to the right.
I am missing that sustain pedal really badly. I do have it, in fact I have several excellent sustain pedals, with half-pedaling and all, but nowhere to connect them.
I think it should be possible to add an improvised socked to CA99, but probably it would affect its warranty.

I wonder if perhaps it is possible to add a sustain pedal via midi in. But it has to work with local instruments.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 08:22 AM
Console pianos offer no means for connecting a separate pedal.

Perhaps you just need to sit a bit farther left?
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 08:23 AM
Originally Posted by Beowulf
I would assume that's caused by the soundboard? If so, I really can't understand how anyone could call it just a gimmick.
Did anyone really called it that? Many people don't care about the soundboard because they are playing on headphones but that's all I read about it, if anyone calls it a gimmick then he/she didn't test it. Soundboard is amazing on those pianos.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 08:51 AM
The soundboard of CA99 is pretty small, a half-hearted attempt. They could have made it almost double in size. Perhaps that is gimmicky about it.

Still, it makes me worry about the humidity in the room, because I am running air conditioning practically non-stop.
Posted By: Mickey_ Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 09:08 AM
Originally Posted by Beowulf
IMO, the GFII action on the previous models actually felt closer to the GX-3's Millennium III action. I thought the GFIII would feel really similar to the GFII, but they are entirely different to me. The GFIII is lighter and a lot more responsive. It's a truly remarkable keyboard to play on.

I now have an NV10 at home, and I'm still looking for a piano I can play in my (external) office. In fact, I want to replace the P-515 I've got there, as I don't seem to be able to get used to its (NWX) action.

Some days ago, I went test-playing the NV5, the NU1X and the CA99. I don't know the GFII action at all, but can honestly say that I liked the CA99's GFIII action a lot. I think it's quite similar to a real grand action (well, at least to the NV10's action that I know and like...)... much closer than the P-515's action (in my opinion!).

Had I not come to the conclusion that it'd be great to also learn playing on an upright action, in addition to the NV10's grand action, I'd have bought (or rather: rented) the CA99 on the spot. What I nice feel(ing)!
Posted By: WalthervonStolzing Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 10:34 AM
Originally Posted by EugeneJenia
Hello.
Can somebody who got good both experience with gf2 and now got gf3 share experience and feelings, comparing thoose two? I am owner of ca78 and think to switch to 79/99 only because of keyboard. But in Russia those instruments are not represented in Kawai showroom, so I can not test it.


I have a CA67 (GFII) and a CA79 (GFIII) in my living room right now. The CA67 is sold but not picked up yet.


CA67 (GFII): Heavier (measured with weight), more quiet and mushier/softer when hitting the keybed.

CA79 (GFIII): Lighter (quite a lot), more noisy and harder when hitting the keybed.

(The heaviness of my CA67 (GFII) could be due to wear and tear (5 years of use), and therefore possible to fix. But it is still a lot lighter than the Yamaha 515 NWX.)

I would say that the mushiness of GFII is not a bad thing. It actually make it feel more "exquisite" somehow. If it had the same lightness as GFIII, I probably would prefer it.

The hardness of CA79 (GFIII) gives a very nice feeling of "contact with the instrument" when you hit the keybed. It certainly gives you the illusion of vibration in you fingers.

So:

CA67 gives you a nice mushy "contact with the instrument" feeling when the key goes down, and then it quietly "softens" away as you hit the keybed.

CA79 only gives you a hard "contact with the instrument" feeling when you hit the keybed. But then it adds a very nice "vibration" illusion/sensation to you fingers.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 11:21 AM
It is not an illusion of vibration but real vibration, certainly with CA99 but probably with CA79 as well. Because I can feel vibration even with Casio PX-330 or even with Korg PA1000 semi-weighted keyboard - but it has quite big onboard speakers.
And there are vibrations going through CA99 pedals as well.
Posted By: rafalb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
rafalb,
do you hear this rattling sound also in this sample of CA79?
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...i-ca79-ca99-owners-club.html#Post2992365
Because if you do not - then not every CA79 or CA99 has it. I don't hear any rattling in this sample, and I don't hear any rattling in my own CA99.
So it would be very important to know what you think about that sample.
Because it is not clear to me if some people do not hear what others do, or only some instruments have problems because perhaps some screw became loose during transportation and needs to be tightened up.

Parkher, to be honest I am not certainly sure right now about CA79. I played many instruments and maybe I judged CA79 too hastily. What I am sure 100% that there was rattle sound issue in CA99 but only during playing lower keys and only at high volume. As many others said it seems the problem with left upper speaker. During discussion about this matter with the shop's dealer he confessed that this new series has that error, and he still believes that another update of firmware will eliminate problem. He even said that in this case it looks like step backward. This is why I am asking for your opinion and consider buying CA78/CA98 or even acoustic piano with silent mode (but this would be much more expensive). And please don't get me wrong. I think that these are great instruments especially comparing to the products of other brands and this is why I decided to buy one, but if you spend this amount of money you expect that there is no issues especially with the sound. This is why I am asking, checking, wondering..

Completely out of the subject here is my first musical and film work (ArchiPaper): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgCm4X4c2zY
Posted By: rafalb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 12:15 PM
Parkher I have just noticed that you were asking about sample pasted here, on forum. No, I can't here any rattling sound in this example so perhaps CA79 is fine. I would love to look at such test using CA99.
Posted By: EugeneJenia Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
Originally Posted by EugeneJenia
Hello.
Can somebody who got good both experience with gf2 and now got gf3 share experience and feelings, comparing thoose two? I am owner of ca78 and think to switch to 79/99 only because of keyboard. But in Russia those instruments are not represented in Kawai showroom, so I can not test it.


I have a CA67 (GFII) and a CA79 (GFIII) in my living room right now. The CA67 is sold but not picked up yet.


CA67 (GFII): Heavier (measured with weight), more quiet and mushier/softer when hitting the keybed.

CA79 (GFIII): Lighter (quite a lot), more noisy and harder when hitting the keybed.

(The heaviness of my CA67 (GFII) could be due to wear and tear (5 years of use), and therefore possible to fix. But it is still a lot lighter than the Yamaha 515 NWX.)

I would say that the mushiness of GFII is not a bad thing. It actually make it feel more "exquisite" somehow. If it had the same lightness as GFIII, I probably would prefer it.

The hardness of CA79 (GFIII) gives a very nice feeling of "contact with the instrument" when you hit the keybed. It certainly gives you the illusion of vibration in you fingers.

So:

CA67 gives you a nice mushy "contact with the instrument" feeling when the key goes down, and then it quietly "softens" away as you hit the keybed.

CA79 only gives you a hard "contact with the instrument" feeling when you hit the keybed. But then it adds a very nice "vibration" illusion/sensation to you fingers.


Thank you very much for your reply, sir!

Can you check one more thing, while 2 instruments are near you? You said that gf3 action feels much more lighter and that is what many on this forum mentioned before. But than Kawai representative said, that the actual weight of the keys for both keyboards gf2 and gf3 are the same. Can you check somehow the differance of effort needs to put down the key on each keyboard? Did they really made it lighter by cuting down key's weight or it is just the feeling, cause the keyboard is much more "faster", while the keys weight is the same?

For me it is very important to know because I don't want have less physical work for my hands during playing the instrument.
Posted By: Razorbill Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 03:15 PM
I think you are being reasonable rafalb. I returned my CA99 and replaced it with a p-515 + VST/speakers because of the speaker rattle fault along with a dead pixel and faulty headphone jack. There is a possibility (and in my opinion) that the speaker rattle might be a design flaw with the cabinet rather than a software issue. Maybe at least try the instrument you are buying in-person before committing to the purchase to confirm the problem isn’t present at time of purchase.

CA78 user support/updates for the older model seems to be limited. For example the issue of the LCD screen not fully turning off (right now it just turns black, but the backlight is on full brightness) will never? be fixed on the CA78/79. This was an issue that was addressed and confirmed by Kawai James years ago. They also decided to release this updated model with the same problem.

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...and-ca78-digital-pianos.html#Post2756619

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...and-ca79-digital-pianos.html#Post2991528

I still think the CA99 is a good instrument over all, but I was not confident with the build quality at all. I would be concerned that other problems may crop up over time like with other kawai products (ES8, older CAs, etc). At least there is a five year warranty, but still...
Posted By: WalthervonStolzing Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by EugeneJenia
[quote=EugeneJenia]

Thank you very much for your reply, sir!

Can you check one more thing, while 2 instruments are near you? You said that gf3 action feels much more lighter and that is what many on this forum mentioned before. But than Kawai representative said, that the actual weight of the keys for both keyboards gf2 and gf3 are the same. Can you check somehow the differance of effort needs to put down the key on each keyboard? Did they really made it lighter by cuting down key's weight or it is just the feeling, cause the keyboard is much more "faster", while the keys weight is the same?

For me it is very important to know because I don't want have less physical work for my hands during playing the instrument.

Just checked with a weight.
It seems to be right that both instruments have about equal key weight. But the CA67 is a bit slower, meaning that it requires a gentle tap on the weight for the key to move down. While on the CA79, using the same weight the key moves down immediately, without any encouragement.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by rafalb
Parkher, to be honest I am not certainly sure right now about CA79. I played many instruments and maybe I judged CA79 too hastily. What I am sure 100% that there was rattle sound issue in CA99 but only during playing lower keys and only at high volume. As many others said it seems the problem with left upper speaker. During discussion about this matter with the shop's dealer he confessed that this new series has that error, and he still believes that another update of firmware will eliminate problem. He even said that in this case it looks like step backward.
This is absolutely not true. I have CA99 without any rattle. Actually here in this forum some people were complaining about the problem with the left upper speaker of CA79. It seemed only CA79 related, but then the same claim was made also about CA99. But more claims about CA79 than about CA99.
Originally Posted by rafalb
Parkher I have just noticed that you were asking about sample pasted here, on forum. No, I can't here any rattling sound in this example so perhaps CA79 is fine. I would love to look at such test using CA99.
The sound of CA99 is exactly the same - just fine. This posted sample goes for both CA79 and CA99.
Thank you very much for listening to the sample. Because some people began to think that it is a systemic problem with all the CA79/CA99 pianos.
If that sample is OK - then it is not. Because also CA99 sounds the same, without any rattle. Except that the spruce sound board makes it closer to the real thing. I had no opportunity to compare the sound of CA79 with the sound of CA99, but here is what Beowulf writes:
"I felt that the depth of the sound coming through both DPs were worlds apart. The CA99 really envelops you. It just sounded so much richer and warmer than its little brother".
But I cannot make any assurances that if you get CA99 it will not rattle, because it vibrates a lot while playing and if some screw becomes loose while the instrument is being shaken in some delivery truck then that screw needs tightening.
I too had a minor issue with my CA99: the pin in the hinge of the music rest was loose (became loose while transporting the piano?) and its wrong end came out when I opened the rest for the first time. This turned out to be a non-issue, because when I put it back in correctly, it was squeezed in (by design) and it is working fine ever since.

Originally Posted by Razorbill
There is a possibility (and in my opinion) that the speaker rattle might be a design flaw with the cabinet rather than a software issue.
Again, listen to that posted sample. If it sounds OK to you - there is no design flaw.
Yes, it is a sample of CA79, not of CA99, but that issue was reported about CA79 first, by several people. You perhaps were the first (and possibly the only one? - I'm too lazy to read the whole thread again) to report it about CA99.
My CA99 sounds exactly like that posted sample - the same amount (zero?) of rattle or white noise etc.
From the issues you had with your CA99, the phone jack problem seems to be the most serious one. At least some soldering may be required, and it might not be apparent exactly where.
The rattling - probably it was enough to tighten a screw, but also there is a slight possibility that a rib got loose on the soundboard and required gluing back. Even less likely that a crack in the soundboard itself was made during shipping - a crack big enough so that its edges were rattling against each other. Unlikely. And probably easy to see.
As to one dead pixel. Well, that screen is not for watching movies. Actually, it is not for anything because it is more convenient to use a tablet or a phone instead.
Posted By: EugeneJenia Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 10:03 PM
Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
Originally Posted by EugeneJenia
[quote=EugeneJenia]

Thank you very much for your reply, sir!

Can you check one more thing, while 2 instruments are near you? You said that gf3 action feels much more lighter and that is what many on this forum mentioned before. But than Kawai representative said, that the actual weight of the keys for both keyboards gf2 and gf3 are the same. Can you check somehow the differance of effort needs to put down the key on each keyboard? Did they really made it lighter by cuting down key's weight or it is just the feeling, cause the keyboard is much more "faster", while the keys weight is the same?

For me it is very important to know because I don't want have less physical work for my hands during playing the instrument.

Just checked with a weight.
It seems to be right that both instruments have about equal key weight. But the CA67 is a bit slower, meaning that it requires a gentle tap on the weight for the key to move down. While on the CA79, using the same weight the key moves down immediately, without any encouragement.

Thank you smile
Posted By: rafalb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 10:15 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
Originally Posted by rafalb
Parkher, to be honest I am not certainly sure right now about CA79. I played many instruments and maybe I judged CA79 too hastily. What I am sure 100% that there was rattle sound issue in CA99 but only during playing lower keys and only at high volume. As many others said it seems the problem with left upper speaker. During discussion about this matter with the shop's dealer he confessed that this new series has that error, and he still believes that another update of firmware will eliminate problem. He even said that in this case it looks like step backward.
This is absolutely not true. I have CA99 without any rattle. Actually here in this forum some people were complaining about the problem with the left upper speaker of CA79. It seemed only CA79 related, but then the same claim was made also about CA99. But more claims about CA79 than about CA99.
Originally Posted by rafalb
Parkher I have just noticed that you were asking about sample pasted here, on forum. No, I can't here any rattling sound in this example so perhaps CA79 is fine. I would love to look at such test using CA99.
The sound of CA99 is exactly the same - just fine. This posted sample goes for both CA79 and CA99.
Thank you very much for listening to the sample. Because some people began to think that it is a systemic problem with all the CA79/CA99 pianos.
If that sample is OK - then it is not. Because also CA99 sounds the same, without any rattle. Except that the spruce sound board makes it closer to the real thing. I had no opportunity to compare the sound of CA79 with the sound of CA99, but here is what Beowulf writes:
"I felt that the depth of the sound coming through both DPs were worlds apart. The CA99 really envelops you. It just sounded so much richer and warmer than its little brother".
But I cannot make any assurances that if you get CA99 it will not rattle, because it vibrates a lot while playing and if some screw becomes loose while the instrument is being shaken in some delivery truck then that screw needs tightening.
I too had a minor issue with my CA99: the pin in the hinge of the music rest was loose (became loose while transporting the piano?) and its wrong end came out when I opened the rest for the first time. This turned out to be a non-issue, because when I put it back in correctly, it was squeezed in (by design) and it is working fine ever since.

Originally Posted by Razorbill
There is a possibility (and in my opinion) that the speaker rattle might be a design flaw with the cabinet rather than a software issue.
Again, listen to that posted sample. If it sounds OK to you - there is no design flaw.
Yes, it is a sample of CA79, not of CA99, but that issue was reported about CA79 first, by several people. You perhaps were the first (and possibly the only one? - I'm too lazy to read the whole thread again) to report it about CA99.
My CA99 sounds exactly like that posted sample - the same amount (zero?) of rattle or white noise etc.
From the issues you had with your CA99, the phone jack problem seems to be the most serious one. At least some soldering may be required, and it might not be apparent exactly where.
The rattling - probably it was enough to tighten a screw, but also there is a slight possibility that a rib got loose on the soundboard and required gluing back. Even less likely that a crack in the soundboard itself was made during shipping - a crack big enough so that its edges were rattling against each other. Unlikely. And probably easy to see.
As to one dead pixel. Well, that screen is not for watching movies. Actually, it is not for anything because it is more convenient to use a tablet or a phone instead.


Parkher I just write what I experienced by playing on one CA99 (because they have just one in the shop) and what I was told by the music shop owner. I don't know if it is systemic problem for this series or not. And I didn't write anything like this (just what I experienced) because I had already chance to play on one CA99 but I experienced this issue and other users too. And for me this is good reason to make investigation, to ask, and check before purchase because I do not want to spend a few thousands euro and buy instrument with such problem that would disturb me a lot. You write that you suppose that on this forum there was just one person reporting this issue but in the same time you say that you didn't check if it is true because of your laziness. Come on....It doesn't sound serious.
I will go again to the shop tomorrow or another day and will make video using my phone. This rattling issue is enough strong so you will be able to notice it even recorded by phone. If you say that your CA99 does not have this problem then this is a great news. Please take a phone and record it (using camera to record also picture, not only sound) but remember to show that you set the volume at maximum . Then play low keys hard. It will take no more than 2 minutes so you should not have any problem to do it and post here. That would be very precious to see if there are CA99 that have not this issue at all. Thanks in advance. Best.
Posted By: rafalb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/21/20 10:54 PM
Originally Posted by Razorbill
I think you are being reasonable rafalb. I returned my CA99 and replaced it with a p-515 + VST/speakers because of the speaker rattle fault along with a dead pixel and faulty headphone jack. There is a possibility (and in my opinion) that the speaker rattle might be a design flaw with the cabinet rather than a software issue. Maybe at least try the instrument you are buying in-person before committing to the purchase to confirm the problem isn’t present at time of purchase.

CA78 user support/updates for the older model seems to be limited. For example the issue of the LCD screen not fully turning off (right now it just turns black, but the backlight is on full brightness) will never? be fixed on the CA78/79. This was an issue that was addressed and confirmed by Kawai James years ago. They also decided to release this updated model with the same problem.

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...and-ca78-digital-pianos.html#Post2756619

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...and-ca79-digital-pianos.html#Post2991528

I still think the CA99 is a good instrument over all, but I was not confident with the build quality at all. I would be concerned that other problems may crop up over time like with other kawai products (ES8, older CAs, etc). At least there is a five year warranty, but still...

Razorbill thank you for your comment. I really appreciate it! I will try to find in my area another CA99 and test it. Just for now my favourite is CA78 R which I played and the sound was great. I will also try to find another CA79 and check it. I already have keyboard with VST/ speakers so I do not take into consideration anything similar to p-515 (but I believe it is a great keyboard). I would love to continue my learning on instrument similar to acoustic (both by design and action) with no need to connect to laptop, VST, and all this stuff.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 03:00 AM
rafalb,
perhaps you misunderstood me.
I am not saying that it is absolutely not true what you were saying. Absolutely not true was what that dealer was telling you: "During discussion about this matter with the shop's dealer he confessed that this new series has that error, and he still believes that another update of firmware will eliminate problem"
The whole series does not have that error, and it hardly can be fixed by an update. Sure, some frequencies can be filtered out by an update, thus damaging the sound for those who have correctly working CA99s.
As to how many people reported this problem with CA99 - this thread is now 39 pages long.
I am really not going to read the whole thread again. But I remember that this problem was reported by several CA79 owners, while I was still waiting for my CA99 to arrive. And just before it arived, somebody reported the same thing about CA99. I remember thinking: why the heck I had to read this? And then, I sort of remember another owner of CA99 confirming this. Or perhaps not. Anyway, most of complains were about CA79 and I really thought that the problem was limited to CA79. Until that blow landed frown
Yes, there were some other issues with CA99 reported, but they were different ones: about some clicking sounds when pressing some black keys, or sounds when releasing some keys.
These were different matters. But 80% or 90% of the rattling complains were about CA79.
So when my CA99 arrived, I banged and banged the keys, mostly from C2 down to A0, with the master volume slider set to maximum. I also later switched on the bass boost and set the touch curve to the lightest - to get the most bang, most likely to cause this rattling.
Yes, and my wall equalizer was set to WALL1 - the brick wall. My CA99 is about 22 cm from a hard wall and this setting gives the deepest bass.
But there still was no rattling whatsoever. Just like in that posted sample of CA79.
The guy who posted the sample of CA79 used some fancy equipment. So there is no point to record anything for me with my phone. You could already see how badly my pictures look.
Just listen to that sample. So maybe my piano has somewhat deeper bass. Because it is CA99 or because microphones still lose some of it. But otherwise it is very similar, no rattling, no "white noise" - whatever it is.
That is why I asked you to listen to that sample. I began thinking that perhaps I don't hear what others do.
Again, if you buy CA99, the probability of such rattling sound is very low. My store sold 4 more CA99s before I got mine - they all were OK, no rattling - or so they told me. Actually, they did not check, but they told me that all the people who bought them were very happy with them.
And remember, most people do not post to forum that their piano is ok, usually post those who have problems. And only a couple of CA99 owners reported rattling problems. So maybe three, but I doubt it.
Still, if your store has only one and it rattles, you got a 100% probability to get a rattling one, if you buy from them...
What kind of store it is anyway - if it is an authorized Kawai dealership, they could open that CA99, tighten some screws and fix it. Why to have it standing there, rattling? Unless the rattling comes from inside of a loudspeaker itself and it is difficult to fix it.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 03:21 AM
Ok, so among the reasons for that rattling sound, there is a possible another one:
some local resonances in the room. Whoever has a rattling CA79/CA99 perhaps should try moving it to a different location in the room or moving it temporarily to a different room.
If so, then yes, all of them rattle. But also none of them rattles.

And the other reasons I can think of: loose screws, a loose rib on the soundboard, loose something inside a loudspeaker or inside a transducer (or badly centered moving/stationary parts touching each other), or a major crack in the soundboard.
I think that the soundboard and its ribs could be checked by the owner without disassembling anything. You could run a demo song and try touching the ribs and the soundboard to see if the rattling changes. Such a crack capable of causing rattling would be visible anyway.
Posted By: rafalb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 09:37 AM
Originally Posted by Parkher
rafalb,
perhaps you misunderstood me.
I am not saying that it is absolutely not true what you were saying. Absolutely not true was what that dealer was telling you: "During discussion about this matter with the shop's dealer he confessed that this new series has that error, and he still believes that another update of firmware will eliminate problem"
The whole series does not have that error, and it hardly can be fixed by an update. Sure, some frequencies can be filtered out by an update, thus damaging the sound for those who have correctly working CA99s.
As to how many people reported this problem with CA99 - this thread is now 39 pages long.
I am really not going to read the whole thread again. But I remember that this problem was reported by several CA79 owners, while I was still waiting for my CA99 to arrive. And just before it arived, somebody reported the same thing about CA99. I remember thinking: why the heck I had to read this? And then, I sort of remember another owner of CA99 confirming this. Or perhaps not. Anyway, most of complains were about CA79 and I really thought that the problem was limited to CA79. Until that blow landed frown
Yes, there were some other issues with CA99 reported, but they were different ones: about some clicking sounds when pressing some black keys, or sounds when releasing some keys.
These were different matters. But 80% or 90% of the rattling complains were about CA79.
So when my CA99 arrived, I banged and banged the keys, mostly from C2 down to A0, with the master volume slider set to maximum. I also later switched on the bass boost and set the touch curve to the lightest - to get the most bang, most likely to cause this rattling.
Yes, and my wall equalizer was set to WALL1 - the brick wall. My CA99 is about 22 cm from a hard wall and this setting gives the deepest bass.
But there still was no rattling whatsoever. Just like in that posted sample of CA79.
The guy who posted the sample of CA79 used some fancy equipment. So there is no point to record anything for me with my phone. You could already see how badly my pictures look.
Just listen to that sample. So maybe my piano has somewhat deeper bass. Because it is CA99 or because microphones still lose some of it. But otherwise it is very similar, no rattling, no "white noise" - whatever it is.
That is why I asked you to listen to that sample. I began thinking that perhaps I don't hear what others do.
Again, if you buy CA99, the probability of such rattling sound is very low. My store sold 4 more CA99s before I got mine - they all were OK, no rattling - or so they told me. Actually, they did not check, but they told me that all the people who bought them were very happy with them.
And remember, most people do not post to forum that their piano is ok, usually post those who have problems. And only a couple of CA99 owners reported rattling problems. So maybe three, but I doubt it.
Still, if your store has only one and it rattles, you got a 100% probability to get a rattling one, if you buy from them...
What kind of store it is anyway - if it is an authorized Kawai dealership, they could open that CA99, tighten some screws and fix it. Why to have it standing there, rattling? Unless the rattling comes from inside of a loudspeaker itself and it is difficult to fix it.

Parkher thank you for your respond. I really believe that it is no systemic problem with CA79&99 but what I have now is: The sales man and the owner of the music store that says about the systemic issue, and there is also my experience of this issue and your opinion. I really have no reasons to not believe the sales man and the owner of the shop. I really appreciate that he told me his observation because as a seller he wants to sell as much of his products as possible so his opinion was very generous and fair. I don't understand why you can't make a video with your piano. I really don't expect an oscar quality picture. Just take the smartphone and record showing setting the volume to the maximum and play bass keys hard. No edit. You even don't have to create an account on vimeo or youtube. You can send the link to the video via wetransfer directly from your phone. It's 2 minutes, no more. For sure faster than writing long respond. No offense, I have no reasons to not believe what you are saying but as you know everybody can write anything online and until there is no video with sound it's not fully reliable. I promised that I will make such video and I will. It's important because if your CA99 is completely free from this disadvantage then it's signal for me that it is worth to find another store and look for the right one.
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
And the other reasons I can think of: loose screws, a loose rib on the soundboard, loose something inside a loudspeaker or inside a transducer (or badly centered moving/stationary parts touching each other), or a major crack in the soundboard.
I think that the soundboard and its ribs could be checked by the owner without disassembling anything. You could run a demo song and try touching the ribs and the soundboard to see if the rattling changes. Such a crack capable of causing rattling would be visible anyway.

I'm 90% sure it's loose parts since I heard the same problem in CA98.
Posted By: Ryner Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 12:54 PM
Me too, I even heard the same problem in a CA58. If something would be loose, it is not likely to happen in all the different models I tried, or we are not talking about the same issue? The noise/hissing I am talking about is decreasing when I turn highs down and increasing when I turn them up. So I guess there is a general problem with the tweeters in the CA Series. I didnt hear it in the NV Series.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 01:10 PM
Sorry, rafalb, maybe somebody else will record CA99 for you. There are plenty of perfectly good CA99s around. I will not do it because it is not needed, and because I don't want somebody making claims that there is some rattle or "white noise" in my piano. I know that there is none, but it still would be very unpleasant and unhealthy to my nerves to read. Why risk it when I can avoid it.
Especially that I have other things to worry about.
I tried to connect a brand new V3 Sound Grand Piano XXL to CA99 - turns out, its usb port is not working. It is working via midi in, though.
Because I was keeping it without trying for quite a few days (probably weeks), it is probably too late to return.
Or perhaps I need to hurry.
And anyway, do I really need that usb port? Perhaps it is needed for firmware updates, though.
That box has no buttons and can be controlled only via midi. And CA99 is not able to do that at all. So another midi controller is needed (such as Lab4Music Sipario Advanced MIDI Router, or a software tool V3 Sound Control, or Miditool EX). It could be connected in parallel via that usb. Without it, it will have to be connected as a middle element of a chain.
So there is some advantage in having that usb port. Especially that I also have 3 other sound sources I want to connect to CA99, and there would be more possible ways to connect them all.
But I have no clue how to send it back or to replace it under warranty.
And I also cannot decide what classical guitar to buy.
Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 01:20 PM
CA 98 has exactly the same speakers, soundboard, tweeters like the NV5....

Once I had some rattling on my CA 58 and it was a loose screw of the stand, the screws that connect the keyboard to the stand, one of them was loose and rattling with certain notes

On the other note, on my brand new CA 79... I hear a lot of weird "clicking" sound inside the keyboard action. It doesn't affect the playing or anything, is this normal? Like is it just the mechanics of the action ?

Other than that I love my CA79 a lot, I hope it's normal that there are clicking sounds since the action is working?
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
On the other note, on my brand new CA 79... I hear a lot of weird "clicking" sound inside the keyboard action. It doesn't affect the playing or anything, is this normal? Like is it just the mechanics of the action ?

Are your clicking sounds similar to those:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dBiWqt9SR4&feature=emb_logo

If so, don't worry, it can be easily fixed. The poster of this video had them fixed. How it was done is described somewhere in this thread. A Kawai's authorized guy came, removed all black keys, added some more of some white grease (already present in the keyboard), put the keys back in - and the clicking sound disappeared.
Posted By: thewueth Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
On the other note, on my brand new CA 79... I hear a lot of weird "clicking" sound inside the keyboard action. It doesn't affect the playing or anything, is this normal? Like is it just the mechanics of the action ?

I also have an issue with several clicking keys, but only on key release. It doesn't occur every time you hit a key, but it is never completely gone. It also differs from key to key. Some keys are free of any click noises. On others, it occurs occasionally, but there are several keys were the release-click-noise occurs nearly every second time you play them.

You can it see in action here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyaxmzgielmmr79/CA-79-clicks.mov

Unfortunately, Kawai currently tries to downplay it as "normal behaviour". If you ask me, it sucks like heck, especially with an instrument in this price range.
Posted By: lovelovemale Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by thewueth
I also have an issue with several clicking keys, but only on key release. It doesn't occur every time you hit a key, but it is never completely gone. It also differs from key to key. Some keys are free of any click noises. On others, it occurs occasionally, but there are several keys were the release-click-noise occurs nearly every second time you play them.

You can it see in action here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyaxmzgielmmr79/CA-79-clicks.mov

Unfortunately, Kawai currently tries to downplay it as "normal behaviour". If you ask me, it sucks like heck, especially with an instrument in this price range.

I have the same clicks! it only occurs when releasing a key, it's not always just sometimes. It doesn't affect the playing or velocity yet. But honestly it is weird a little bit... I paid 3600 Euros for my CA79 PE which is not little money, you just expect things to kind of be in really good condition at this price point.

Does it affect your playing?
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 04:44 PM
Hi guys,
Haven't been reading or posting on this thread for a while and just caught up with the last 5 pages today.
I am the almost 100% happy owner of a CA99 EP ...

I would like to come back to 3 points raised in recent discussions which for me remain without clear answer:

1- sustain pedal is very stiff on my CA99 too and even makes some noise (like the screw needs some oil) ... checked already the manual and made sure the thing in the middle is tight to the ground but the pedal is super stiff.

2- plastic-noise from the keys: didn't have any issue with my CA99 at the begining and i can now experience some light plastic noises with some keys and not always. I play mostly with headphones (noise cancelling) so did not notice the noise at first, but having played without headphones recently, i could notice them. Previous videos of this noise posted are very clear and describe it clearly. Sometimes it is similar to my nails hitting the keys but after repeating the key it is clearly a plastic noise. Any fix identified yet for this ?

3- Dull sound when the keys are released. Only happens for the lowest 3-4 keys (i don't use them often) but i am just afraid that with time it gains the other parts of the keyboard. With my P120 from Yamaha, i got the first keys issues after 10 years, not after 1 month !!!

As for the "popular" rattle/white speaker noise: not experiencing it on my CA99 - listened to all your recordings, still cannot hear anything (???)

Many thanks in advance for the answers.
Posted By: robinlb Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Ryner
Me too, I even heard the same problem in a CA58. If something would be loose, it is not likely to happen in all the different models I tried, or we are not talking about the same issue? The noise/hissing I am talking about is decreasing when I turn highs down and increasing when I turn them up. So I guess there is a general problem with the tweeters in the CA Series. I didnt hear it in the NV Series.

I remember I posted some of my opinions in this thread.
This should be the result of the distortion of tweeters at some resonant frequency in audio signal. This problem also occurred on C6~G6 when my CA98 was not using the on-board sound source, such as VSL D274 or PTQ Bechstein in some presets or configurations by myself. All I can do is adjust some certain frequencies with EQ note by note.
Kawai upgraded the built-in sound engine on CA97/99 compared to CA98/NV5, it may be the reason for it.
At the same time, in my tests, it's not just on CA98 tweeters, but more than half of the seven or eight pairs of different desktop speakers I tested have the similar problem with above VSTs. They used horn, soft dome or ribbon tweeters.
I think the key factors of this kind of distortions are the pulsed audio signal of DP undering high volume or velocity, higher sensitivity of the speaker(eg over 90db) and the quality of tweeter itself. Normally, playing back a piece of normal piano music on these speakers is fine, but playing it in real time on DP is not.
Posted By: thewueth Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by lovelovemale
Does it affect your playing?

Honestly spoken, it distracts me in a way that I'm not willing to accept. It is a pity as the CA 79 is an excellent instrument with a fantastic sound and a great action.

I neither know if the release click noise is "fixable" nor if it's "normal". But if it's fixable, Kawai should fix it, and if it's not fixable (aka "that's normal"), the CA 79 has to leave.
Posted By: simonoche Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 07:37 PM
Hi!

First of all, sorry if my english seems weird.

I bought a CA79 (SB) last week after trying several pianos in a shop. I must say that the look / action / keyboard feeling are just fanstastic, along with the sound.
I'm not a pro at all, but this EP is outstanding (for me).

It should be delivered this week, I can't wait !

I read most of the messages in this thread, and started to be (a little bit) afraid by the several issues that people reported.

I just saw a new video on Youtube, it's very recent (not from me) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SV5PgFySII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqioRS7wOK8

That sound is quite scarry...!!!

In the documentation, they are recommending not to put the piano close to other electrical devices.
Is it possible this sound is actually caused by interferences (eg. microwaves, WiFi, electric wires - like in the walls, other electric devices) ?


Concerning the clicking noise issue, my current piano (Korg) (don't judge) has this behaviour on a few notes.
I honnestly don't pay much attention on it, as the action and operation are not impacted at all.
But I understand that people are disappointed, especially in this price range.

So finger crossed... I hope mine will be okay smile
Posted By: ag_jazz_piano Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/22/20 08:38 PM
@ Simonoche
Never saw these 2 videos before but this must be an exception (isolated problem). I can reassure you my CA99 makes absolutely no noise when turned on.
To reassure you, below a few videos i recorded with my CA99 !
Enjoy.





Posted By: simonoche Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/23/20 12:05 AM
Thanks @ag_jazz_piano
Nice videos!

I hope everything’s gonna be okay , just like you smile

What do you think about your CA99 so far?
What are the features you like the most?
What do you think about the action and the rendering ?

I can’t wait to play on my CA79, and discover all the features. Really excited!!
Posted By: Sodari Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/23/20 09:45 AM
Hi everyone ! I hope you guys are good. I have a ca99 and I'm happy with my DP but I don't find the best settings to have a beautiful "acoustic, authentic" piano sound. I would like to hear your settings (ca79 and ca99 owners) in term of instrument /tone / virtual technician/ but I don't want to use VST because I want to use the wav USB recording function.
It will be great to share our favorite settings and try them each other smile

My reference sound is the one in Animenz or Theishter videos, I know they have a grand Steinway/Yamaha and I dont but I think and hope it's possible to find settings to imitate a little bit the sound of a real acoustic grand piano, even a good sound of an upright, (I have a Ronish upright too)
Thank you very much for your answers, kind regards
See you soon.

Example of Animenz video : https://youtu.be/B3CGMmF3OT0
Or Theishter video : https://youtu.be/rwvF1Lgh61w
Posted By: CyberGene Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/23/20 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by Sodari
but I don't want to use VST because I want to use the wav USB recording function.
You can record every VST as a WAV file on your disk drive or USB drive. For instance, Garritan CFX is a standalone app that has a record button that does exactly what a digital piano saving on a USB drive would do. If that's your only concern, then it's not a real issue.
Posted By: Sodari Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/23/20 01:25 PM
Thanks for your answer but the fact is I really don't want to spend time with another software and vst on computer or connect my computer to my piano. I just would like to find the best settings and apply directly on my piano, and save it directly on usb, synchronize it with the video I took with my phone and share it on my youtube channel.

I have to find the simple solution to fix this "sound issue" without download any vst because I truly think the ca99 is sufficient in itself.
Thank you for your answers and to sharing your best settings smile
Posted By: gol Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/23/20 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by simonoche
Thanks @ag_jazz_piano
Nice videos!

I hope everything’s gonna be okay , just like you smile

What do you think about your CA99 so far?
What are the features you like the most?
What do you think about the action and the rendering ?

I can’t wait to play on my CA79, and discover all the features. Really excited!!

hi everybody (first post here) and salut Simonoche, if you live in France can I ask you where you ordered your CA79 ?
Posted By: simonoche Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/23/20 03:24 PM
@gol Paul Beuscher (Paris)
I got it for a very reasonnable price, with goodies (Headphones, free delivery/installation)
Posted By: Hikenkami Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/23/20 04:37 PM
Hi Folks, my CA-99 was finally ordered today from Euroconcert in Paris, they have great service, and are very nice and professionnal people, expecting to receive my precious in 7 or less days, can't wait!
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/23/20 04:58 PM
Sodari,
Do you like the sound of CA99 in any of Youtube videos?
If you do, at least there is hope for you to achieve something similar. Although I don't think the sound is tweaked much in most of the videos.
You want to record it, so you are interested not in how the soundboard sounds but how it sounds through headphones. So, first of all, you need good headphones without a treble peak, and without artificial bass. I now ordered Sennheiser HD 650.
Sennheiser HD 600 already sound pretty good, but with CA99, still a bit too much highs and perhaps not enough lows, at least for me. HD 650 have less highs and a bit more lows, compared to HD 600. So I have big hopes. Scheduled delivery: Friday...
And then, I guess - everybody's taste is different.
You even like Yamaha smile
First of all, probably most people prefer SK-EX Rendering. But not everybody!
If you do too, then you should go through all 10 of its presets.
Find which one sounds best to you and then try further tweaking that one.
Posted By: JerryY Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/24/20 01:24 AM
Just curious if anyone experienced any issue with the CA79 bluetooth MIDI?

It's been working for like 2 weeks, and today when I turned it on, my iPad can't find the DP in either the PianoRemote or Virtual Technician app.

I tried resetting the DP, restarted the DP and my iPad, but still the same. I can see the little bluetooth icon on the DP's main screen, but it just can't be found in the app. I even tried with a different iPad but still the same.

Anything I missed?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/24/20 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
Hi guys,
Haven't been reading or posting on this thread for a while and just caught up with the last 5 pages today.
I am the almost 100% happy owner of a CA99 EP ...

I would like to come back to 3 points raised in recent discussions which for me remain without clear answer...

If you have any concerns with your instrument, please contact your dealer for assistance. It's difficult to tell the extent of a problem from a forum post, however if - for example - the damper pedal is too heavy, it should be possible to visit the dealer's store and compare their display model with that of your own piano.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/24/20 09:16 AM
Originally Posted by Parkher
Do you like the sound of CA99 in any of Youtube videos?

I like the sound of the piano in this video:



The playing isn't too shabby either. wink

Cheers,
James
x
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/24/20 09:22 AM
Originally Posted by JerryY
It's been working for like 2 weeks, and today when I turned it on, my iPad can't find the DP in either the PianoRemote or Virtual Technician app.

I tried resetting the DP, restarted the DP and my iPad, but still the same. I can see the little bluetooth icon on the DP's main screen, but it just can't be found in the app. I even tried with a different iPad but still the same?

That's rather strange.

Have you confirmed that Bluetooth MIDI is definitely enabled in the instrument's main Settings menu?
If you haven't done so already, please try turning Bluetooth MIDI off, waiting a few seconds then on again.

Also, please note that BLE MIDI devices typically do not appear in the main iPad Settings app, but must be connected/paired directly within each app itself.

Finally, the Virtual Technician app is not compatible with the CA99/CA79, however even so, it should still appear in the list of available Bluetooth MIDI devices.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: JerryY Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/24/20 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by JerryY
It's been working for like 2 weeks, and today when I turned it on, my iPad can't find the DP in either the PianoRemote or Virtual Technician app.

I tried resetting the DP, restarted the DP and my iPad, but still the same. I can see the little bluetooth icon on the DP's main screen, but it just can't be found in the app. I even tried with a different iPad but still the same?

That's rather strange.

Have you confirmed that Bluetooth MIDI is definitely enabled in the instrument's main Settings menu?
If you haven't done so already, please try turning Bluetooth MIDI off, waiting a few seconds then on again.

Also, please note that BLE MIDI devices typically do not appear in the main iPad Settings app, but must be connected/paired directly within each app itself.

Finally, the Virtual Technician app is not compatible with the CA99/CA79, however even so, it should still appear in the list of available Bluetooth MIDI devices.

Kind regards,
James
x

Thanks so much for the help. It's really weird that it worked again when I turned on the DP this morning. Magic...

One thing I noticed yesterday was after one reset, I was changing the settings and all of a sudden the screen shows "The piano is controlled by the app..." I then checked my ipad but saw nothing connected. So I simply touched the DP's screen and continued with my settings. Now I'm thinking maybe someone else connected to my DP? So it's not showing up on any of my devices?

It's also interesting you mentioned the CA79 is not compatible with Virtual Technician, but I've been using this app to connect bluetooth MIDI. Yes it can't be connected in the Bluetooth setting so usually an app is required. I don't like using PianoRemote as it always messed up with my settings once connected. Virtual Technician doesn't do that, and I once used the "Preview" function there and it seemed to work.
Posted By: simonoche Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/24/20 03:01 PM
@JerryY
I already seen neighbours trying to connect to my TV or Sound System... so I wouldn't be suprised lol
Since, I disabled bluetooth lol
Posted By: JerryY Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/24/20 03:47 PM
LOL maybe sit and enjoy their shows and music? Too bad it doesn't work like that for bluetooth MIDI on digital pianos.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 01:55 AM
Hello Jerry,

Originally Posted by JerryY
It's really weird that it worked again when I turned on the DP this morning. Magic...

That's interesting. I wonder if there is more than one device attempting to pair with your CA79?

Originally Posted by JerryY
One thing I noticed yesterday was after one reset, I was changing the settings and all of a sudden the screen shows "The piano is controlled by the app..." I then checked my ipad but saw nothing connected. So I simply touched the DP's screen and continued with my settings. Now I'm thinking maybe someone else connected to my DP? So it's not showing up on any of my devices?

Yes, that's certainly possible.

Originally Posted by JerryY
It's also interesting you mentioned the CA79 is not compatible with Virtual Technician, but I've been using this app to connect bluetooth MIDI.

Well, basic functions such as Bluetooth MIDI connecting/pairing will probably work in app that supports this functionality, however controlling the piano via the Virtual Technician app is not supported, even if some functions may appear to work.

Originally Posted by JerryY
I don't like using PianoRemote as it always messed up with my settings once connected.

May I ask if you can be more specific please? My understanding of the PianoRemote app is that it does not interact directly with the touchscreen, and does not store or affect settings stored on the piano itself.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: polarbears Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 06:43 AM
Originally Posted by ag_jazz_piano
I would like to come back to 3 points raised in recent discussions which for me remain without clear answer:

1- sustain pedal is very stiff on my CA99 too and even makes some noise (like the screw needs some oil) ... checked already the manual and made sure the thing in the middle is tight to the ground but the pedal is super stiff.

To provide an update on my sustain pedal, it’s much better now. Kawaii James provided some comments over PM. At first I still struggled to adjust it properly but as soon as my partner had a try, he identified that the pedal support bolt definitely could be and should be tightened further. It seems I simply wasn’t strong enough to do it myself. After tightening it’s a lot better - I believe that previously it was stiff because the entire weight of the piano was shifting up and down as i pedalled.

When you pedal, does the base of the piano stand move up and down? If so, you may need to tighten the bolt more.
Posted By: Sodari Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Parkher
Do you like the sound of CA99 in any of Youtube videos?

I like the sound of the piano in this video:



The playing isn't too shabby either. wink

Cheers,
James
x

Yes in this video, the sound is quite good but impossible to know what settings are used in. And do you think it's recorded with Mic or line in or USB?
Thanks
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 09:56 AM
There are two more videos on youtube with Adrian Galante playing CA99.
But there is also one video of pretty good sounding CA99 where the pianist answered what preset he was using. The link is here somewhere in this thread.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by Sodari
Yes in this video, the sound is quite good but impossible to know what settings are used in. And do you think it's recorded with Mic or line in or USB?

According to my colleagues at Kawai Australia, the pianist used the default (power on) piano sound - i.e. SK-EX Rendering | Classic type. The audio was recorded live from the Line Out connectors.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 10:35 AM
Sodari,
I found that video.
It is CA79 (same thing, because the sound was recorded as mp3 to usb)
He says he thinks he was using :
SK-EX Rendering
Rendering Type: Full
Ambiance: Live Stage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmj7Yi6lmg4&feature=emb_logo
Posted By: Sodari Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
Sodari,
I found that video.
It is CA79 (same thing, because the sound was recorded as mp3 to usb)
He says he thinks he was using :
SK-EX Rendering
Rendering Type: Full
Ambiance: Live Stage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmj7Yi6lmg4&feature=emb_logo
Yes thank you, I already see this video and yes the sound is near to what I'm looking for. So thank you I will try this in my next video thank you Parkher
If someone have others settings reference I'm here smile
Posted By: mwf Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 04:57 PM
Why does it sound so dull and flat in this video - https://youtu.be/F91plJU0avU

I mean it sounds great live the ca99, but it dont record well at all to my ears, the kawai demo above is great but i can only presume its been edited to sound better. I've yet to hear anything good being recorded by an amateur at home... So many digital pianos sound great live but poor recorded, got to be the lower sample sizes i would presume, and why most vsts sound so good recorded.
Posted By: JerryY Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 06:45 PM
Hi Kawai James, thanks for your suggestion and following up on this.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Jerry,
That's interesting. I wonder if there is more than one device attempting to pair with your CA79?

No it's the same iPad I've been using for bluetooth MIDI. I only used another device to scan and confirm if it's in the MIDI bluetooth list, but never connecting or pairing.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
May I ask if you can be more specific please? My understanding of the PianoRemote app is that it does not interact directly with the touchscreen, and does not store or affect settings stored on the piano itself.

Every time I connected to PianoRemote, it changes all settings to default, so I'll need to change them back again on the PianoRemote app. Ideally it shouldn't change the piano setting, but "read" them from the piano and reflect them in the app. However it never worked that way.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/25/20 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by mwf
Why does it sound so dull and flat in this video - https://youtu.be/F91plJU0avU

I mean it sounds great live the ca99, but it dont record well at all to my ears, the kawai demo above is great but i can only presume its been edited to sound better. I've yet to hear anything good being recorded by an amateur at home... So many digital pianos sound great live but poor recorded, got to be the lower sample sizes i would presume, and why most vsts sound so good recorded.
Do you by live mean through the soundboard? Not through headphones?
You get real room reverbs through the speakers/soundboard even if there are none in your settings. While recording, the sound does not have to be dry, try different reverb levels (different ambiance).
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/26/20 08:25 AM
My HD650 arrived. Yes, they sound better. Or maybe not.
Trebles are not elevated as they are with HD600. So this is better. Especially from C6 up.
But the octave C5-C6 better sounds with HD600. On many digital and even acoustic pianos this octave sounds sort of thin. On CA99, with HD600 it sounds great, with HD650 - perhaps not so much. The low end - HD650 has more bass. Probably not too much, but perhaps with HD600 - also enough. With HD600 bass is crisper, more detailed, more controlled. And it is still possible to add bass boost if it seems needed. But they are pretty close. Pretty close overall, but even with dumping highs I want less highs with HD600.
HD650 headphones are slightly harder to drive than HD600, but still the master slider around the middle. HD650 are brand new, after burning in they might change. My HD600 earpads are very old, I got the new ones together with HD650, not changed yet. The sound will change, no doubt.
Posted By: Michael Kawai CA79 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/26/20 05:20 PM
Hi I am Michael from Sweden. I have ordered a Kawai electric piano with delivery on tuesday. Guess which one... grin
Posted By: Michael Kawai CA79 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/26/20 06:01 PM
I have an old Yamaha PF500 which was really nice back then. It is still fully functioning, but really not the latest in keys and sampling so a couple of years ago I looked around to see how the DPs have developed. I tried Rolands and Yamahas around 1000-1500 € and even though they felt and sounded somewhat better than my old DP, I did not think the differens was big enough to make it worth the extra money.

But some weeks ago I looked around again and tried out Rolands, Yamahas and Casios around 3000-4000 €. And now we are talking! I practically fell in love with every new piano I tried. But after the first "kick", I cooled down a bit and tried to make up my mind which one I wanted most. The Rolands sounded good, but not as good as the Yamahas to my ears. They also felt good in the keys, but not as good as the Casios. To me Roland was a little "meh". I tried out two Casios. One "400" which I didn´t like so much and a "310" which felt good and sounded good with some exceptions. When I play soft to medium the sound does not really bloom and all the other sounds were not in par on Roland or Yamaha. (I use cembalo, organs and E-pianos quite a bit.) The better Yamaha was very weird to me in its keybed. I had problems to control my playing and the simpler Yamaha felt better - but not as good as Casio or even Roland, and it didn´t sound at all as good as the better one (which I had problems to play properly). So - what to do?

I googeled around and found out that Kawai makes som fine DPs. So I have been reading a lot, and listening a lot (Youtube) but sadly not have a chans to try one out in person. But since I am a very trustful person I ordered a Kawai CA79. On tuesday I will find out if I´m quite sane or not.😜
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/26/20 06:46 PM
What is the minimal humidity allowed for CA99, and how to know how humid the air really is?
Because of the current heats, I am running AC 24/7 - and not @ 17°, I am trying to keep 24° in the room.
Still, it dries up the air quite a lot.
So today I put multiple hygrometers on my CA99.
Two digital ones already show 35% - which is probably close to critical.
But two mechanical ones show about 42-43%.
And a tiny digital one for guitar is showing 40%.
They all seem to be still not settled, their readings all still are dropping down. Perhaps they will become closer together.
I might need to switch off the AC. Or to get a humidifier for the room.
I have humidipaks for guitars, perhaps it would be good to put some inside CA99, but I am probably not allowed to open it up.
Posted By: JerryY Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/26/20 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by Parkher
My HD650 arrived. Yes, they sound better. Or maybe not.
Trebles are not elevated as they are with HD600. So this is better. Especially from C6 up.
But the octave C5-C6 better sounds with HD600. On many digital and even acoustic pianos this octave sounds sort of thin. On CA99, with HD600 it sounds great, with HD650 - perhaps not so much. The low end - HD650 has more bass. Probably not too much, but perhaps with HD600 - also enough. With HD600 bass is crisper, more detailed, more controlled. And it is still possible to add bass boost if it seems needed. But they are pretty close. Pretty close overall, but even with dumping highs I want less highs with HD600.
HD650 headphones are slightly harder to drive than HD600, but still the master slider around the middle. HD650 are brand new, after burning in they might change. My HD600 earpads are very old, I got the new ones together with HD650, not changed yet. The sound will change, no doubt.

Congratulations on the HD650. I had mine for a long time, but sold it and bought a 660S. Never had a chance to try the 650 with my CA79, but I can imagine it would be a great fit. If necessary I guess you can set the headphone gain to "High"? I'm more than happy with it set to normal on my 660S though.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/26/20 08:06 PM
No need for high. More than enough with normal - the slider right in the middle.
I think HD 660 S has even more highs than HD 600, and for CA99 I needed something with less.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/27/20 04:57 AM
An update about humidity.
So, with AC running, I had 32.9%- 38% with digital hygrometers. When the AC periodically switches off, humidity goes from 33 to 38%.
With the tiny guitar hygrometer I got 38-40%.
With two (different models) non-digitals I had 42-43%.
Then, during the coldest night/early morning hours (still > 24°C outside) I switched off the AC and opened windows.
The two digital hygrometers went up to 42.5%.
The tiny guitar digital hygrometer went up to 47%.
And the two non-digitals went up also to 47-48%.
So the readings are closer without AC.
I hope I can ignore the digital ones with their 33% readings, when 3 others are showing 38%, 42%, 42%.
Posted By: Michael Kawai CA79 Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/27/20 09:26 AM
Parkher; I beleive changes in humidity doesn´t affect a DP as much as a "real piano" because of the absence of strings in a DP. It will not get out of tune because of to high or low humidity. Still the wooden parts can swell if to high humidity or shrink if to low even in a DP.
Posted By: Parkher Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club - 06/27/20 11:17 AM
It is not a regular DP.
The sp