Abdol was wrong about backing his claims with neuron transmission speed. But you’re also wrong about comparing a primary function (such as our ability to hear directional) to a complex experience such as digital keyboard latency. I don’t care who’s wrong or right TBH.
Well as said that example was given to counter exactly those claims. I compared digital keyboard latency in the context of a different study, based on a percussion instrument, that was specifically designed to address perception of MIDI instrument latency (variation). That had nothing to do with neurons or speed.
At the risk of unnecessarily prolonging a thread that has unfortunately become so negative, some explanation of my motivation here may be warranted.
I felt it was useful to counter the neural speed based claim because it is a recurring theme in this and other forums that people claim that other people cannot hear or experience something they say they do because of how hearing works. I think I can confidently say that we do not understand much about *how* hearing works. Specific claims about perceptibility will have to be tested as such (as was done in the study mentioned above), and results cannot easily be generalized far beyond what was tested. That is unfortunately the current state of affairs. Hence, I think we should not be overly dismissive of perception claims. Objectively measuring it is another matter of course, but with effort it can be done.
What I care is simple: VST-s play well enough and we all know the latency is low enough and there must be some setup problem rather than extreme sensitivity or whatever. You must agree that bold statements like how one won’t play VST-s anymore because of “intolerable” 1ms lag are bordering on trolling and some people will respond to that. Abdol did it, maybe with wrong arguments but he’s ultimately right. Shifting the argument to the speed of neurons is another story for another Internet forum.
I understand your point, but my interpretation of the OP's post (in the other thread...) is entirely different. To me it seems he himself is disappointed in current VST technology given the amount of effort he put in to get it to work for him. I didn't get the impression that he dismissed VST being fine for other people. I didn't sense any trolling at all, not by him at least. I was curious about his post, and unlike you I was not convinced that it can only be a setup problem, although it could be. And frankly, after having found a study on this topic, I am happy that I was not convinced because to me these results are quite unexpected. I think I underestimated the value of having dedicated hardware. Nevertheless, I am sticking with VST for now because to me the sound is so much better and this outweighs the latency issues that do bother me a bit. I wish I had bought the CA-78 or CA-98 instead of CA-58!