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Posted By: Gary001 Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/11/19 08:15 PM
Noticed casio have released the 510 and 310 upgrades to the 500 and 300 models. Does anyone know what exactly has changed/being added in the newer models?

Is it just electronics related or have any changes/improvements been made to the key action etc?

Had a read of the blurb on the Casio site but it's not really clear what may have changed.
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/11/19 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Gary001
Noticed casio have released the 510 and 310 upgrades to the 500 and 300 models. Does anyone know what exactly has changed/being added in the newer models?

Is it just electronics related or have any changes/improvements been made to the key action etc?

Had a read of the blurb on the Casio site but it's not really clear what may have changed.


As Bonners told me, they are much louder. As for the key action, they claim an improvement. When they arrive, apparently end of month, you should try them out.
Posted By: CoJac Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/12/19 01:24 PM
From what I've read it sounds mainly software and speaker upgrade. They say there is larger dynamic range and it is easier to play quietly. They also said they have improved the way the notes sustain so they don't decay too fast. Add in the new speaker system and I think everything else is same as old models. Will need to wait and try them to know how much difference all that makes!
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/12/19 04:31 PM
I don't see any speakers upgrade in specs. Exactly the same speaker size, quantity and power.
Posted By: petebfrance Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/12/19 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
I don't see any speakers upgrade in specs. Exactly the same speaker size, quantity and power.


I'm curious about this too.
I suppose the new speaker system could just be different design speakers etc

This is the UK site https://music.casio.co.uk/gp510bp - it has 'new' in bold for the changes,
new piano tones (new samples I guess)
new speaker system ('Grand Speaker System II' - wow!)
new touch response (whatever that means)
new pedal design (and/or? new Pedal Simulator)

Not sure what it all adds up to, though. The GP pianos seem quite tempting but there's no way I'll ever be able to audition them.
I think also that Casio should also consider improving their guarantee period - I've seen the GPs advertised here in France with 3 year guarantees whereas similar priced other manufacturers offer 5 or even 10 year guarantees. Mind-you, how good these guarantees are may be another matter.

Posted By: CoJac Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/12/19 05:59 PM
That's interesting about the speakers. Looking at the info again it mainly talks about changing the orientation so could well just be same speakers but pointing in a different direction!
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/12/19 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by CoJac
That's interesting about the speakers. Looking at the info again it mainly talks about changing the orientation so could well just be same speakers but pointing in a different direction!

Could well be true as the speaker nos and specs seem to be identical.
Posted By: Learux Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/12/19 09:02 PM
In the US if you register within 30 days you extend the warranty to 5 years.

At least when I bought mine. Not sure about other countries but I expect the same.
Posted By: petebfrance Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/12/19 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Learux
In the US if you register within 30 days you extend the warranty to 5 years.

At least when I bought mine. Not sure about other countries but I expect the same.

Interesting - thanks. I've just checked 2 French sites, one says 5 years, the other (which I look at most often) 3. As I'm not buying in the near future I guess it doesn't matter to me, but it does make me think....
Posted By: Gary001 Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/13/19 09:28 AM
Thanks for the responses everyone.

@pete I don't know how I missed that page, thanks smile Although it leaves as many questions as it answers with a lack any real detail about what the "new" things are, how they work, what difference they make. In fact from that page alone, the improvements seem minor enough I'm not sure they're worth the price difference over the previous generation.

I've started to look into the Kawai range now too, although that's for another thread smile
Posted By: CoJac Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/13/19 10:52 AM
I had the same dilemma and I just ordered the gp500. I really didn't think the difference was worth £1000 or more.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/13/19 11:12 AM
You're right. You can't tell the difference just from specs. You must try them both to discover the difference.
Originally Posted by Gary001
@pete I don't know how I missed that page, thanks smile Although it leaves as many questions as it answers with a lack any real detail about what the "new" things are, how they work, what difference they make. In fact from that page alone, the improvements seem minor enough I'm not sure they're worth the price difference over the previous generation.
Posted By: MikePianoLover Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/13/19 07:06 PM
Hello to All,

As the title of this thread is "Casio GP510 vs GP500", an easy way to check that is to check the differences there are supposedly between the Casio Hybrid grand pianos GP-510 and the GP-500 by listening piano pieces using these 2 Casio Hybrid grand pianos:
1) "S. Rachmaninoff: Prelude op. 23 no. 5 in g minor - Kateryna Titova - Celviano Grand Hybrid GP-500 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNRY2qOH5IM
2) "L. v. Beethoven - Sonata No. 14, Op. 27 no. 2, movement 3 - Kateryna Titova on GP-510 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtp0TJlgnY
So, from your point of view, which Casio Hybrid grand piano has the best piano sound? Thanks for your feedback on this matter.
Posted By: petebfrance Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/13/19 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by MikePianoLover
Hello to All,

As the title of this thread is "Casio GP510 vs GP500", an easy way to check that is to check the differences there are supposedly between the Casio Hybrid grand pianos GP-510 and the GP-500 by listening piano pieces using these 2 Casio Hybrid grand pianos:
1) "S. Rachmaninoff: Prelude op. 23 no. 5 in g minor - Kateryna Titova - Celviano Grand Hybrid GP-500 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNRY2qOH5IM
2) "L. v. Beethoven - Sonata No. 14, Op. 27 no. 2, movement 3 - Kateryna Titova on GP-510 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtp0TJlgnY
So, from your point of view, which Casio Hybrid grand piano has the best piano sound? Thanks for your feedback on this matter.

I've no idea from listening to them, but thanks for the links. I liked them both - the pianist!
Posted By: Nordomus Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 01:27 PM
Again they are only presenting fairly fast pieces instead of some really slow ones with long sustains. I want to hear THAT.
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Nordomus
Again they are only presenting fairly fast pieces instead of some really slow ones with long sustains. I want to hear THAT.

+1
Posted By: petebfrance Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 02:54 PM
You can get some idea of the sustain in the link to the uk site https://music.casio.co.uk/gp510bp listening to the short extract (Brahms - quite nice!) in the 'Vienna Grand' sample (scroll down the page a bit for it) It's not really all that slow, though, but does sound reasonably convincing.

Also, the same piece on the GP500 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_s2LyGLgU0

I'm not sure, tbh. I haven't played a real piano for a long time, although I used to play that piece on my upright and apart from the lack of mistakes there doesn't seem to be a great deal of difference except the last note(s) in the treble where I think the sustain is far too short, but then I did have a habit of using a lot of pedal!
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by petebfrance
You can get some idea of the sustain in the link to the uk site https://music.casio.co.uk/gp510bp listening to the short extract (Brahms - quite nice!) in the 'Vienna Grand' sample (scroll down the page a bit for it) It's not really all that slow, though, but does sound reasonably convincing.

Also, the same piece on the GP500 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_s2LyGLgU0


These are on the 500 not the 510 which is supposed to be better. Certainly from what I remember the sustain was not good though the main concern was the lack of volume even when turned up to max.
Posted By: petebfrance Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 03:38 PM
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Originally Posted by petebfrance
You can get some idea of the sustain in the link to the uk site https://music.casio.co.uk/gp510bp listening to the short extract (Brahms - quite nice!) in the 'Vienna Grand' sample (scroll down the page a bit for it) It's not really all that slow, though, but does sound reasonably convincing.

Also, the same piece on the GP500 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_s2LyGLgU0


These are on the 500 not the 510 which is supposed to be better. Certainly from what I remember the sustain was not good though the main concern was the lack of volume even when turned up to max.

The first is a link to the GP510 on the UK site, so the sample should be from that. Yes, the second is the GP500. I thought perhaps it was possible to hear if there was any difference - but with such a short sample I couldn't hear any.
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 03:43 PM
I put the decay question to Bonners and this is the reply

Another of my colleagues has now had to opportunity to try the new models. He is of the opinion that they have simply adjusted the EQ to stop the sound decaying as fast. He said that he personally preferred the older models....
Posted By: EssBrace Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
I put the decay question to Bonners and this is the reply

Another of my colleagues has now had to opportunity to try the new models. He is of the opinion that they have simply adjusted the EQ to stop the sound decaying as fast. He said that he personally preferred the older models....


Well this is total nonsense. There's no way EQ can in any tangible sense affect the length of the sustain. Sounds like someone at Bonners, who doesn't know what they're talking about, has just consulted someone else at Bonners, who also doesn't know what they're talking about.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 04:07 PM
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Sounds like someone at Bonners, who doesn't know what they're talking about, has just consulted someone else at Bonners, who also doesn't know what they're talking about.

They're not "someone." They are called salespeople!
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
I put the decay question to Bonners and this is the reply

Another of my colleagues has now had to opportunity to try the new models. He is of the opinion that they have simply adjusted the EQ to stop the sound decaying as fast. He said that he personally preferred the older models....

I got the impression that this guy was not a Casio fan. Also, the Bonners person who agreed with me about the lack of volume on the 500's also thought that it had by far the best action. So there you go. Only thing to do is to try them out. The small incremental numbering would suggest no massive changes, but they could still be significant.

Well this is total nonsense. There's no way EQ can in any tangible sense affect the length of the sustain. Sounds like someone at Bonners, who doesn't know what they're talking about, has just consulted someone else at Bonners, who also doesn't know what they're talking about.
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Sounds like someone at Bonners, who doesn't know what they're talking about, has just consulted someone else at Bonners, who also doesn't know what they're talking about.

They're not "someone." They are called salespeople!

That's why you have to try before you buy!
Posted By: Colin Miles Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 04:13 PM
I think they have old stock to get rid of.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 05:07 PM
These are what we like to call B***S*** artists.
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Sounds ike someone at Bonners, who doesn't know what they're talking about, has just consulted someone else at Bonners, who also doesn't know what they're talking about.

BTW ... it's "someone who doesn't know what HE'S talking about ..."
Posted By: EssBrace Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/14/19 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
I think they have old stock to get rid of.


Very much seems like this to me!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/15/19 01:59 AM
EQ adjustments cannot affect the length of sustain that a sample has, however it's certainly possible to extend the length of sustain using software parameters - perhaps this is what the Bonners representative was referring to?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Nordomus Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 10/15/19 06:39 AM
Most likely, but that's pretty big mistake to make. Anyway as usual one has to test it in person and play something slow smile
Posted By: MikePianoLover Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 11/01/19 03:12 AM
Let us hear the feedback from a person who bought the Casio hybrid digital grand piano GP-510 and who has had before the Casio GP-500. From "L. v. Beethoven - Sonata No. 14, Op. 27 no. 2, movement 3 - Kateryna Titova on GP-510 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMt...wyuzpjmgkjuav51w03c010c.1572564644063059
Simon Johnson
3 weeks ago [from 2019/11/01]
I've had my new Casio GP510 for a few days now and I really love it. I had the GP500 before but swapped it for an expensive, brand new, Yamaha C1X grand fitted with a silent system because I wanted a 'real' piano. I actually preferred the Casio so after much anguish I sold the Yamaha and I've gone back to another Casio. In my opinion the GP510 has a better base than a small acoustic grand piano (even an expensive one) it's also easier to play at a sensible volume level without disturbing people several rooms away.

Michael
2 weeks ago [from 2019/11/01]
In your opinion, what are the differences between the GP-500 and the GP-510 on various aspects: piano sound, touch, etc.?

Simon Johnson
3 hours ago [from 2019/11/01]
@Michael Not much difference really. Perhaps a slightly improved bass sound and slightly easier to play very quietly but as I no longer have the 500 to compare it to it's hard to be sure. For both versions the sound on the headphones is excellent and the sound on the piano's speakers is less good but not bad.
Posted By: Otavio Re: Casio GP510 vs GP500 - 04/14/20 09:31 PM
Anybody found a more detailed review between GP500 and Gp510, beside those reviews on the post above ?
Any major update noticed(as they claim)
Speaker system and sample length ?
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