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Posted By: Chopin is up there

VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 11:16 AM

Hello everyone,

I realize the VPC1 is a common talking point here. I have a chance to buy it new for €1172 from a trusted dealer. I'm looking for a great piano action with high quality MIDI implementation to power my VSTs.

My other options were the SL88 Grand (which I'm doubtful about due to suspicions about their MIDI implementation in terms of being able to hit all velocity values), or possibly cheapest alternatives like FP-10, ES110. I'm really not into Yamaha's GHS action. Roland's strikes me as overly exaggerated with the escapement, and the ES110 is the one I enjoyed the most in that range.

Rambling aside, knowing my preference for Kawai actions, I have the impression that it's really a no-brainer to get the VPC1 at this price range, as only slightly better options start a whole €1000 higher (RD2000/MP11 SE). It anyway gives me the impression that one needs to go thousands above this price to get a significant improvement.

No successor to it seems to be foreseen, as well.

Could someone chip in with their opinion? (Maybe even the illustrious Kawai James!) I sadly cannot try it in person.

Thank you and kindest regards!

Posted By: newbert

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:03 PM

IMO get the VPC 1. I have some experience with Yamaha (DGX640) and Roland (FP-30) actions, and there is no comparison with the VPC1's. That said, it took me a bit of time to get used to the VPC1 action because it's on the heavy side.

If your main interest is using your VST's, get the VPC1. It's a no-brainer.
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:20 PM

I'd rather get the P515 for VST's rather than a VPC1 due to the too heavy keybed...
Posted By: mcontraveos

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:25 PM

The VPC1 has an awful pedal unit, but the rest of it is really quite good. I think that you'll be better off learning to deal with the pedal unit (or it might not be an issue for you) than compromising on the action by buying a different keyboard you've mentioned.

There are keyboards superior to the VPC1, but you've rightly pointed out that they are significantly more expensive.
Posted By: butchkoch

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:28 PM

I got my VPC1 2 years ago. I love it, it feels like velvet and is very quiet and responsive, it lures me to play it. Some think its on the "heavy" side, and when compared to other DP's it is, but I've owned many pianos in my 7 decades and many of those not only had heavy actions, but sloppy ones too, both acoustic and digital. I've played on very expensive pianos [never owned] and was often jealous of not having the means to acquire one, the VPC for a very reasonable price gives me that option. Is it perfect? Who knows but I will say its the best keyboard this piano lover ever touched, that is his own. BTW I bought mine without having demoed it. I also have an ES8, a Roland F140R, a PC3K8, a PX160 and the new Privia PS1000.
Posted By: Pete14

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
I'd rather get the P515 for VST's rather than a VPC1 due to the too heavy keybed...


+1 on the P-515. You get so much more bang for your buck: on-board speakers, audio interface, stand/pedal board, etc.... and still it’s cheaper than the VPC-1.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Pete14
+1 on the P-515. You get so much more bang for your buck: on-board speakers, audio interface, stand/pedal board, etc.... and still it’s cheaper than the VPC-1.

Where is the P-515 cheaper in Europe than the OP can get the VPC1 for €1172? I see on Thomann.de, the P-515B is 1470€, which is almost 300€ more than the OP can buy a new VPC-1 for.
Posted By: Jethro

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:44 PM

I have a VPC-1 and practice on it several days a week. As far as heaviness goes it is heavier then many digital pianos that I have played in the past and as many have said here on PW, but that heaviness is why I bought it. It actually has a slightly LIGHTER action than an acoustic Kawai RX-2 and Shigeru SK2 that I currently own. The heaviness is not a problem. People are just not used to feeling this heavy an action on a DP I think,
Posted By: Pete14

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Pete14
+1 on the P-515. You get so much more bang for your buck: on-board speakers, audio interface, stand/pedal board, etc.... and still it’s cheaper than the VPC-1.

Where is the P-515 cheaper in Europe than the OP can get the VPC1 for €1172? I see on Thomann.de, the P-515B is 1470€, which is almost 300€ more than the OP can buy a new VPC-1 for.


I apologize. I was basing this on U.S.A. pricing. The VPC-1 lists for $1,850. The P-515 for $1,500 + around $200.00 for the stand/pedals (still about $150.00 cheaper).
But yes, Europe is another story.
Posted By: Chopin is up there

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Pete14
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
I'd rather get the P515 for VST's rather than a VPC1 due to the too heavy keybed...


+1 on the P-515. You get so much more bang for your buck: on-board speakers, audio interface, stand/pedal board, etc.... and still it’s cheaper than the VPC-1.


Thank you both for your input.

It would be an option if it was in fact cheaper (sadly it's €100 more) and if I didn't feel I would be slightly compromising on the action. The onboard speakers I do not care much for, although the audio interface is an interesting addition.

Still, some food for thought!
Posted By: Chopin is up there

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 01:06 PM

Thank you all for your quick and informative replies.

I have decided to just take the plunge and get the VPC1, as it seems unlikely I would be disappointed. I anyway have 30 days to return it should I be unhappy. I don't mind heavier actions at all, I even prefer the control it gives me and the heft.

Regarding the suggestion of the Yamaha P-515, I'm afraid I don't put enough of a value on onboard speakers and even the audio interface to justify the extra 100 bucks + the price of a decent pedal unit. I am also skeptical that the action would be superior. But it is however a good suggestion, so thank you to those who put it forward. smile
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 01:07 PM

Love my 515, though I was absolutely stunned to realize there is no way to save a patch (instrument/effects set-up) internally. It never even occurred to me to look. Oh well, live and learn. Though... I'm about to turn 67, running out of 'learning' time, lol.

I very nearly went for the VPC-1 myself. I didn't care what it weighs and already have good piano software (Pianoteq, Ravenscroft, Mainstage), but I did see value in an instrument with built-in speakers for my particular usage, so that tipped the scales.
Posted By: OmniaAequalis

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 02:22 PM

I played all high end DPs a while ago, including the P515, VPC1 and MP11SE. What I learned is that ultimately, action is a personal preference. I heated raving reviews of both Yamaha and Rolands action on the RD-2000 but once I played it I knew it wasn't for me. Finally it was between the MP11SE and VPC1, where the former won due to the VPC's action being a bit too heavy for my taste. Potatoes potatoes.

Enjoy your VPC! It is an excellent controller and you won't be sorry! Please let us know what your experiences are once you played it a while!

Mark
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/20/19 02:53 PM

I loved the keybed of the VPC1 - in contrast I hated the 645 which to my knowledge has the same action as the 515.
If you don't care about built in sounds then the VPC1 is a no brainer - beautiful to look at, lovely to play.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by Chopin is up there
Could someone chip in with their opinion? (Maybe even the illustrious Kawai James!)


Get the VPC1.

I believe it offers the most realistic, piano-like keyboard action available for the price.

Kind regards,
James
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EDIT: Good choice. wink
Posted By: Andrew_G

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 08:55 AM

I recommend VPC1 too. For a serious piano work with Grieg or Scriabin, I can compare it with ES110 that you mentioned in your post. (I had MP7, which AFAIK has the same action as ES110, and replaced it with VPC1).

The action of ES110 is too shallow and too light. As an example of its limitations, you cannot play a glissando quietly (p or pp). It will inevitably be ff of fff. Additionally, too light and shallow keyboard does not support well the phrasing with various velocities of separate notes, tenuto and accents.

All this is much better playable in real grands and in VPC1.



Posted By: Kawai James

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew_G
I recommend VPC1 too. For a serious piano work with Grieg or Scriabin, I can compare it with ES110 that you mentioned in your post. (I had MP7, which AFAIK has the same action as ES110, and replaced it with VPC1).

The action of ES110 is too shallow and too light. As an example of its limitations, you cannot play a glissando quietly (p or pp). It will inevitably be ff of fff. Additionally, too light and shallow keyboard does not support well the phrasing with various velocities of separate notes, tenuto and accents.


Please note that the ES110 action (RH Compact) is not the same as the MP7 action (RHII), and neither can compare to the VPC1 action (RM3 Grand).

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: maurus

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 10:04 AM

Get the VPC1. It is great for pianistic work. And as the others say, the keys may be "heavy" compared to other digital pianos; they are not, compared to most acoustic pianos. I am going back and forth between my grand and a VPC1 with very little effort. (Of course, the expressivity on a real piano is in a different world, still.)
Posted By: Abdol

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Pete14
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
I'd rather get the P515 for VST's rather than a VPC1 due to the too heavy keybed...


+1 on the P-515. You get so much more bang for your buck: on-board speakers, audio interface, stand/pedal board, etc.... and still it’s cheaper than the VPC-1.


Defining "the bang for the buck is subjective". If the OP is looking for the best action the P-515 is not even an option. Many of the aspects of P-515 are static. You can never change the speakers, you can never get a better sound... the action, the audio interface and everything you can think of is static and is like a bundle. You buy it "as is" and you sell it "as is" for much cheaper later on.

If you look at it from this perspective, buying P515 will not make sens.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 01:27 PM

Fortunately I don't look at it from that perspective. Problem solved. cool
Personally, I could see owning both (515 and VPC-1). I've got room for one more.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Chopin Acolyte

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 01:30 PM

If I might chime in... I recently finished my VPC project and VPC has the action that is closest to what I'm used to from acoustic pianos, from what I've tried, including Yamaha P-515.

I recently played on a practice Steinway grand and I realized I still prefer my VPC-1, because the grand wasn't regulated recently, and I could hear weird buzzing from the inside. In other words, as far as I can tell, an acoustic piano can beat my VPC-1 setup only if it's a well regulated grand piano. So nowadays I have very little motivation to crawl out of my house since the only piano that kinda satisfies this condition is one of the practice grands at the music school and is usually booked (and is played pretty heavily throughout the day, so it's not uncommon that something's wrong with it - a few weeks ago, the soft pedal wasn't working, just a few days ago one B flat was out of tune etc. - these things happen when an instrument is played for several hours daily).

VPC-1 feels the best and closest (in terms of action) than any sub-$2000 keybed I've tried. Be wary though, it's pretty heavy (feels less heavy after playing on it for a few days) - gives you a great workout. Also, count some software (Ravenscroft, Pianoteq, Garritan, VSL, ...) and headphones/speakers into your budget. If the VPC costs ~ 1200 eur, I say, go for it!

EDIT: I was worried about the pedals, too. Someone else mentioned "an awful pedal unit", I have no clue what they're talking about. I have the F-30 pedal unit it came with by default and it's great. The pedals are springy, and somewhat lighter than a real piano pedals, and only the sustain is continuous, but I think it's very good, no trouble going back and forth between acoustic and VPC.
Posted By: U3piano

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 01:30 PM

In my opinion most digital actions are too light. I like the vpc1, i don't even think it's really heavy.
Posted By: newer player

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
I was worried about the pedals, too. Someone else mentioned "an awful pedal unit", I have no clue what they're talking about. I have the F-30 pedal unit it came with by default and it's great. The pedals are springy, and somewhat lighter than a real piano pedals, and only the sustain is continuous, but I think it's very good, no trouble going back and forth between acoustic and VPC.

Some of the pedals go wonky over time. John O'Flaherty has a permanant fix if you run into problems. . .

http://joflaherty.org/HallEffectSustain/VPC1%20pedal%20mod.pdf
Posted By: Pete14

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Bobby Simons
Fortunately I don't look at it from that perspective. Problem solved. cool
Personally, I could see owning both (515 and VPC-1). I've got room for one more.

[Linked Image]


Holy Moly!
Do you live at Guitar Center? laugh
Posted By: aphexdisklavier

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 04:25 PM

Hey, only VPC lovers here ;))
Where are all the VPC haters I've discussed with half a year ago? (VPC2 wish list)

I like the VPC too because of its timeless look and feel. No knobs, faders, sounds, speakers that could be outdated or inoperable.
No cheap plastic. Only metal and woods.

The keys are great. The best grand piano feel for a piano/ controller of that size. Super in dynamic and response -makes fun to play on day and night wink
Posted By: Chopin is up there

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 04:56 PM

Again, thank you all for your inputs on the VPC1 and suitable alternatives, it's great to be reassured by so many positive experiences.

I'll share my setup once I have the keyboard delivered. The plan is to sit it on an IKEA Bekant desk base of 140x60 and use the extra real estate in the back for cable management and aesthetic value.
Posted By: peterws

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 05:10 PM

Would somebody like to chip in with RM3 v GF Compact? I noticed physically they occupy the same internal space, but the lengthened pivot would re-distribute (increase) component stress elsewhere, imo . . . .maybe this needs to be a new thread.
Posted By: MacMacMac

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 05:29 PM

VPC opinions:
1. Great idea.
2. Ugly finish. Nice enclosure, but ugly finish.
Posted By: Jethro

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Chopin is up there
Again, thank you all for your inputs on the VPC1 and suitable alternatives, it's great to be reassured by so many positive experiences.

I'll share my setup once I have the keyboard delivered. The plan is to sit it on an IKEA Bekant desk base of 140x60 and use the extra real estate in the back for cable management and aesthetic value.

I think you are going to really like it. Have you chosen a software package yet?
Posted By: Jethro

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
If I might chime in... I recently finished my VPC project and VPC has the action that is closest to what I'm used to from acoustic pianos, from what I've tried, including Yamaha P-515.

I recently played on a practice Steinway grand and I realized I still prefer my VPC-1, because the grand wasn't regulated recently, and I could hear weird buzzing from the inside. In other words, as far as I can tell, an acoustic piano can beat my VPC-1 setup only if it's a well regulated grand piano. So nowadays I have very little motivation to crawl out of my house since the only piano that kinda satisfies this condition is one of the practice grands at the music school and is usually booked (and is played pretty heavily throughout the day, so it's not uncommon that something's wrong with it - a few weeks ago, the soft pedal wasn't working, just a few days ago one B flat was out of tune etc. - these things happen when an instrument is played for several hours daily).

VPC-1 feels the best and closest (in terms of action) than any sub-$2000 keybed I've tried. Be wary though, it's pretty heavy (feels less heavy after playing on it for a few days) - gives you a great workout. Also, count some software (Ravenscroft, Pianoteq, Garritan, VSL, ...) and headphones/speakers into your budget. If the VPC costs ~ 1200 eur, I say, go for it!

EDIT: I was worried about the pedals, too. Someone else mentioned "an awful pedal unit", I have no clue what they're talking about. I have the F-30 pedal unit it came with by default and it's great. The pedals are springy, and somewhat lighter than a real piano pedals, and only the sustain is continuous, but I think it's very good, no trouble going back and forth between acoustic and VPC.

I guess I could have saved you the aggravation and recommended a VPC-1 to begin with. wink
Posted By: Ralphiano

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 09:00 PM

I like the VPC1 action very much. I am only about an RCM Level 3 player, so, I may not have yet even discovered all it has to offer. But, I do remember vividly being astounded by how much control it gave me over my faithful Casio Privia. As for the weight of the keys, I am convinced that is exactly what supplied the enhanced control. Also, I frequently get to play some quality acoustics (Steinway D, Kawai RX2) and the difference in feel is negligible to me.

As for the Yamaha P-515, I like it also. I have been playing it at the local Sam Ash store recently, as, I was seriously considering it as a substitute for my VPC1/Pianoteq combination. I did not think the P-515 action to be noticeably less than the VPC1 action. I am presently trying out a new virtual piano to replace Pianoteq, so, plans to buy the P-515 are currently on hold. If I cannot find happiness with this virtual piano, there will soon be a P-515 in my home.
Posted By: Ralphiano

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/21/19 09:06 PM

I forgot to mention that I also like the F-30 pedal unit. I've had no problems with it and it seems sufficiently sturdy so far.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Ugly finish.


???

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Mac.
Posted By: MacMacMac

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 04:03 AM

Exactly. And I stated just what my eye beheld.
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Ugly finish.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Mac.

It's too bad that the local dealer could not demo the VPC. It just sat on its stand, not connected to any controller, muted and unplayable.

That was at a piano store specializing in Kawai acoustic pianos, but also carrying a surprisingly wide range of Kawai digitals.
It seems to me that the VPC ought to be sold at a music store like Sam Ash where it is their habit to have things "plugged in" for demo, rather than at a piano dealer where a power cord is the limit of plugging in.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Exactly. And I stated just what my eye beheld.
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Ugly finish.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Mac.

It's too bad that the local dealer could not demo the VPC. It just sat on its stand, not connected to any controller, muted and unplayable.

That was at a piano store specializing in Kawai acoustic pianos, but also carrying a surprisingly wide range of Kawai digitals.
It seems to me that the VPC ought to be sold at a music store like Sam Ash where it is their habit to have things "plugged in" for demo, rather than at a piano dealer where a power cord is the limit of plugging in.

When I tested the VPC1, it was not at a Sam Ash. To make it do something, I brought an iPad w/ Ravencroft 275 on it, a cable and headphones. I know that is more than 99% of people who would have seen it muted and unplayable.

BTW, the store had to go hunt for the pedal in the back since they hadn't bothered having it on display given that no one ever got to the point of needing the pedals!
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 06:30 AM

Every time I’ve seen a VPC1 it was not connected either frown And the keyboard is nothing to rave about, it feels exactly like my CA63 which was underwhelming but it seems there are some under the hood changes that should make it more playable such as triple sensors.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
Every time I’ve seen a VPC1 it was not connected either frown And the keyboard is nothing to rave about, it feels exactly like my CA63 which was underwhelming but it seems there are some under the hood changes that should make it more playable such as triple sensors.

I went to the trouble of trying it out in the store, and might have set a store record doing it laugh but I needn't have bothered. The keyboard felt too heavy for me.
Posted By: Chopin is up there

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Jethro
Originally Posted by Chopin is up there
Again, thank you all for your inputs on the VPC1 and suitable alternatives, it's great to be reassured by so many positive experiences.

I'll share my setup once I have the keyboard delivered. The plan is to sit it on an IKEA Bekant desk base of 140x60 and use the extra real estate in the back for cable management and aesthetic value.

I think you are going to really like it. Have you chosen a software package yet?


I have a few libraries already from my previous MIDI keyboard (a Studiologic SL990 Pro that despite its wonky MIDI implementation, felt pretty good and was reliable as a tank) such as The Giant and Grandeur, as well as some others that I don't recall since it was some years back, and have added two since in preparation: Keyscape and Noire (this last one is my favorite).

What about you?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Chopin is up there
Originally Posted by Jethro
Originally Posted by Chopin is up there
Again, thank you all for your inputs on the VPC1 and suitable alternatives, it's great to be reassured by so many positive experiences.

I'll share my setup once I have the keyboard delivered. The plan is to sit it on an IKEA Bekant desk base of 140x60 and use the extra real estate in the back for cable management and aesthetic value.

I think you are going to really like it. Have you chosen a software package yet?


I have a few libraries already from my previous MIDI keyboard (a Studiologic SL990 Pro that despite its wonky MIDI implementation, felt pretty good and was reliable as a tank) such as The Giant and Grandeur, as well as some others that I don't recall since it was some years back, and have added two since in preparation: Keyscape and Noire (this last one is my favorite).

What about you?

For pure responsiveness/expressiveness (and when you are working on something new or just practicing), you might consider Pianoteq with one VI. Then you could switch to one of the sampled pianos for performances and recordings. This is assuming you can handle Pianoteq for practicing at least.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 08:59 AM

Could you please elaborate? I’ve never seen one in the flesh, but it always looks beautiful to me in photos.

Originally Posted by MacMacMac
VPC opinions:
1. Great idea.
2. Ugly finish. Nice enclosure, but ugly finish.
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 10:27 AM

I thought mine looked great - way nicer than the usual look of DP's with buttons, sliders etc spread around.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Simons
Could you please elaborate? I’ve never seen one in the flesh, but it always looks beautiful to me in photos.
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
VPC opinions: 2. Ugly finish. Nice enclosure, but ugly finish.
Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
I thought mine looked great - way nicer than the usual look of DP's with buttons, sliders etc spread around.

Look is so personal. Some people still like the look of tail fins on cars.

[Linked Image]

Must we try to normalize taste?
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 11:07 AM

I don't think we are - trying to "normalise taste" that is - but merely expressing our subjective opinions on the looks of an instrument.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 11:10 AM

Unless I misread it, he thinks it looks fine - with a bad paint job? confused
Posted By: magicpiano

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 11:12 AM

I think it's good looking. To me it lacks only a sliding key cover.
Posted By: johnstaf

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
And the keyboard is nothing to rave about, it feels exactly like my CA63 which was underwhelming but it seems there are some under the hood changes that should make it more playable such as triple sensors.


Agreed. I have an MP10, which feels almost the same, but the VPC-1 is better for fast repetitions and trills.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 12:49 PM

Well, I'll be holding out for the Ravenworks Studio Model II VPC-1. Just waiting for money to be no object... which should be any day now. I got me some lottery tickets.
Posted By: peterws

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Bobby Simons
Could you please elaborate? I’ve never seen one in the flesh, but it always looks beautiful to me in photos.
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
VPC opinions: 2. Ugly finish. Nice enclosure, but ugly finish.
Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
I thought mine looked great - way nicer than the usual look of DP's with buttons, sliders etc spread around.

Look is so personal. Some people still like the look of tail fins on cars.

[Linked Image]

Must we try to normalize taste?


Just GIMMEE THAT CAR! You can then normalise anything you want . . . .
Posted By: MacMacMac

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/22/19 03:56 PM

How many of you were conceived in the back seat of one of those cars? smile
Posted By: Chopin is up there

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/27/19 12:29 PM

Hello everyone!

My VPC1 is finally arriving this Thursday. So you can expect a Thursday evening setup picture and quick review as soon as I prod it off my neighbor's hands and get it up to the 2nd floor. smile
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/27/19 01:00 PM

Hope you have someone to help carry the thing - it’s no light weight wink
Posted By: Chopin is up there

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/29/19 07:38 PM

And here it is, finally!

Setup picture:

[Linked Image]

First impressions: beautiful instrument. Substantial weight to the keys, but a lot of expressiveness and somewhat of a beauty in its simplicity. Plug and play via USB. The pedal unit is not as bad as advertised, in my opinion, but to be seen!
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/29/19 08:59 PM

Looks very inviting - congrats smile
Posted By: Chopin Acolyte

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/29/19 09:32 PM

Oh amazing ^_^

I'm glad people are getting these VPC's, it's a very good DP ^^

BTW how do you deal with the pedals sliding back when being pressed during a piece? I placed a cardboard box behind it, so it's leaning against the wall.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/30/19 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Chopin is up there
And here it is, finally!

[Linked Image]


Very clean setup, congrats!

James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/30/19 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
BTW how do you deal with the pedals sliding back when being pressed during a piece?


I believe some owners have applied extra rubberised non-slip material to the underside of the pedal unit.

This would be effective on a wooden floor, as in Chopin is up there's setup above, however I'm not sure about carpeted flooring.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Deltajockey

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/30/19 01:13 AM

I have an MP11SE on an Omega stand also. To stop the pedals moving back, I do one of two things. I string a piece of cable or string attached to the legs and running behind the pedal unit. A bit like a sling. Works if you have this type of stand, as the legs put the pedal about the right distance from the keybed.
Alternatively, I sometime use a sub woofer with my speakers, so I place it in the middle behind the pedal unit. The pedals have a lip on the base plate allowing the cable to not be jammed between the pedal unit and the sub. Works for me!
Posted By: Chopin is up there

Re: VPC1 opinions - 08/30/19 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
Looks very inviting - congrats smile


Thank you smile

Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
Oh amazing ^_^

I'm glad people are getting these VPC's, it's a very good DP ^^

BTW how do you deal with the pedals sliding back when being pressed during a piece? I placed a cardboard box behind it, so it's leaning against the wall.


It's really fantastic and I hope it encourages Kawai and the market to make more no-frills controllers in the next years.

I have no such issue on my wooden floor -- it takes a lot of strength to move it. The pedal unit has rubber pads on the bottom which hold strong. My floor is even varnished!

I'm a toe pedaller so I use my ankle to leverage which means I don't do much horizontal force but I still did the test. What I would do is buy a cheap rubber mat and put it under, to add grip. Alternatively, a wooden box or something solid that doesn't clash with the setup. It's even a bonus -- you can rest your legs when you're not pedalling.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Chopin is up there
And here it is, finally!



Very clean setup, congrats!

James
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Thank you, James! The IKEA Bekant 140 cm x 60 cm desk base works beautifully and even comes with a cable management net -- the rubber feet on the VPC1 are slightly thinner than the support bars and they grip amazingly well to the metal with the considerable weight of the instrument.

It plays amazingly well, there's an unmatched degree of control compared to any other keyboards I've had. It's really a tactile joy and I was just noodling around mindlessly for about 2 hours yesterday. smile
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