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Posted By: iPractiseEveryday

Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 04:12 PM

Hi guys,

I was about to buy the Nord Piano 4...
But then I realized the Fatar keybed is producing noise that is too distracting...
I know mechanical noise is completely normal when playing on digital keyboards, but the thumping sounds on these particular units are just unbearable.
I will be playing the keyboard in a quiet environment i.e. my bedroom most of the time. If it's already annoying to me in the store, I guess I will just pass playing it at home.

Therefore, I am on search for other keyboards that delivers similar functionalities / sounds but offers a much quieter keybed...

At the similar price range, there are the Roland RD2000 / Yamaha CP88.

Does anyone have experience with the them?
Do these units sound significantly quieter?
Or would you recommend other keyboard in the market?

I found this video demonstrating the noisiness of a Fatar keybed on a Nord unit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3LeMPHKRrE

This is just as what I experienced at the store. This might be okay on stage, but it surely gets distracting when playing at home frown

Posted By: dmd

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by iPractiseEveryday
...I am on search for other keyboards that delivers similar functionalities / sounds but offers a much quieter keybed...



"Similar" functionalities is a very vague term.

You may wish to describe which functionalities within the Nord Piano4 that you need or want.
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by iPractiseEveryday
Hi guys,

I was about to buy the Nord Piano 4...
But then I realized the Fatar keybed is producing noise that is too distracting...
I know mechanical noise is completely normal when playing on digital keyboards, but the thumping sounds on these particular units are just unbearable.
I will be playing the keyboard in a quiet environment i.e. my bedroom most of the time. If it's already annoying to me in the store, I guess I will just pass playing it at home.

Therefore, I am on search for other keyboards that delivers similar functionalities / sounds but offers a much quieter keybed...

At the similar price range, there are the Roland RD2000 / Yamaha CP88.

Does anyone have experience with the them?
Do these units sound significantly quieter?
Or would you recommend other keyboard in the market?

I found this video demonstrating the noisiness of a Fatar keybed on a Nord unit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3LeMPHKRrE

This is just as what I experienced at the store. This might be okay on stage, but it surely gets distracting when playing at home frown



Against everyone elses knowledge, I would ask you to try the Lachnit MK23. It's expensive, but regulated.
It's regulated and completely handcrafted. It uses a TP40W Fatar Keybed. I have not tried myself, but, it's very special and might fulfill your wishes.
You can't compare the keybed to the implementation Nord has done. It's completely different.
If someone does say per se again (when it's not first hand knowledge), that all Fatar Keybeds are not good, I won't listen anymore.
Because often, it doesn't matter what you use. If your implementation is bad, it won't make the difference.
What also is, mass-produced products might not have the precision, handcrafted products have. They have a higher tolerance for errors.

I will buy this instrument soon, and once I have it, I will give you some of my observations.
I have to wait till I have saved up.

Best
Posted By: Snail

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 04:29 PM

Korgs rh3 is pretty silent according to my experience
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Snail
Korgs rh3 is pretty silent according to my experience


If you go for Korg RH3, make sure to not pick the Korg D1. I had it for a while and the keys feel 'stuck'. Unlike in the old Korg Kronos 88 where it's definitively different.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 04:35 PM

The GF action in the MP11/MP11S# is *by far* the quietest mechanism you will encounter in a slab format. Everything else is just fighting for second place.
Posted By: iPractiseEveryday

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by iPractiseEveryday
...I am on search for other keyboards that delivers similar functionalities / sounds but offers a much quieter keybed...



"Similar" functionalities is a very vague term.

You may wish to describe which functionalities within the Nord Piano4 that you need or want.



I think the attribute I value most right now is the quietness of key action... That's the main reason why I'm getting rid of my old digital piano.

Other than that, what I like about the Nord Piano 4, is the on-the-fly tweaking options and the great sound library.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by iPractiseEveryday
Therefore, I am on search for other keyboards that delivers similar functionalities / sounds but offers a much quieter keybed...

At the similar price range, there are the Roland RD2000 / Yamaha CP88.

Kawai MP11/MP11SE have functionality that is pretty close to the CP88 (even with similar operational design, except effects are controlled by definable rather than dedicated knobs), but should have a quiet keyboard, similar to the Kawai in the video you posted. (I don't know how loud or quiet the CP88 is.)
Posted By: Melving

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 08:03 PM

I'm also thinking about upgrading. Similar considerations. For me at least, I think it's limited to Roland or Kawai, because of noisy keybeds from other brands. The RD2000 and Fa-08 felt pretty similar when I played them. Don't know about midi functionality, but RD2000 has full release velocity. I haven't had the opportunity to play a newer korg RH3, but when I tried one a year or two ago, the action was pretty stiff. There are rumors that the newer RH3s are less stiff. I wonder if anyone has experience with the Kronos SE?
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
The GF action in the MP11/MP11S# is *by far* the quietest mechanism you will encounter in a slab format. Everything else is just fighting for second place.

+1
Posted By: peterws

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
The GF action in the MP11/MP11S# is *by far* the quietest mechanism you will encounter in a slab format. Everything else is just fighting for second place.


It may be the quietest, but there's not much in it. Roland's cheapest action PHa40, I think that's what it's called, is very quiet indeed. You'll find that out if you you try it. I suspect you may not have. It's solid, bottoms out nicely and quiet at the same time.
And the Kawai compact grand found on the CA48, and 58 is pleasantly quiet too.
So you don't have to spend that much!
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by Gombessa
The GF action in the MP11/MP11S# is *by far* the quietest mechanism you will encounter in a slab format. Everything else is just fighting for second place.

It may be the quietest, but there's not much in it. Roland's cheapest action PHa40, I think that's what it's called, is very quiet indeed. You'll find that out if you you try it. I suspect you may not have. It's solid, bottoms out nicely and quiet at the same time.

What do you mean "there not much in it"? The GF (II) action is a wooden key action and Kawai's best DP action. The PHA-40 is an entry-level plastic folded action from Roland...
Quote

And the Kawai compact grand found on the CA48, and 58 is pleasantly quiet too.
So you don't have to spend that much!

The CAx8 are cabinet DPs and not in the same product category as the Nord Piano 4, Roland RD2000 or Yamaha CP88. Kawai's stage pianos are the MP8 and MP11. Only the MP11 features the GF action.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/20/19 09:52 PM

I've tried most of the Roland actions. They're not particularly quiet, even by plastic action standards. Ivory feel G, PHA-III, PHA-IV Concert, PHA-IV Standard, PHA-50.... Particularly, they develop a fairly loud key return thump as the top foam strip wears down, and they rattle audibly on glissandos.

Yamaha's GH based actions are probably the next quietest after the Kawai wooden key actions, IMO.
Posted By: iPractiseEveryday

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/21/19 12:54 AM

What about the newly announced Nord Grand?
Posted By: Melving

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/21/19 11:50 PM

So... MP11se best, then VPC1 then MP7se/ES8 for mechanical noise? MP7/ES acceptable, or would be of concern for those easily annoyed by noise?
Posted By: peterws

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/22/19 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
I've tried most of the Roland actions. They're not particularly quiet, even by plastic action standards. Ivory feel G, PHA-III, PHA-IV Concert, PHA-IV Standard, PHA-50.... Particularly, they develop a fairly loud key return thump as the top foam strip wears down, and they rattle audibly on glissandos.

Yamaha's GH based actions are probably the next quietest after the Kawai wooden key actions, IMO.


You're wrong. But don't worry about it . . . try the newer ones and see. I've had mine 4 years and it's still quiet. The wife won't let me change for that reason. And I won't either until something better comes along.
Posted By: peterws

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/22/19 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Melving
So... MP11se best, then VPC1 then MP7se/ES8 for mechanical noise? MP7/ES acceptable, or would be of concern for those easily annoyed by noise?


Somehow, you're going to have to try these yourself!
Posted By: Cheshire Chris

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/22/19 06:41 AM

My Yamaha P-515 has a very quiet keyboard.
Posted By: iPractiseEveryday

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/22/19 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
My Yamaha P-515 has a very quiet keyboard.

Does that mean the CP88 has a quiet keybed too? Heard that they share the same action
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/22/19 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by iPractiseEveryday
Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
My Yamaha P-515 has a very quiet keyboard.

Does that mean the CP88 has a quiet keybed too? Heard that they share the same action

Not exactly the same... specs say
P-515: NWX action
CP88: NW-GH action (same as CP4)
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/22/19 02:58 PM

The CP88 feels way heavier in touch than the P-515
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/22/19 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by Gombessa
I've tried most of the Roland actions. They're not particularly quiet, even by plastic action standards. Ivory feel G, PHA-III, PHA-IV Concert, PHA-IV Standard, PHA-50.... Particularly, they develop a fairly loud key return thump as the top foam strip wears down, and they rattle audibly on glissandos.

Yamaha's GH based actions are probably the next quietest after the Kawai wooden key actions, IMO.


You're wrong. But don't worry about it . . . try the newer ones and see. I've had mine 4 years and it's still quiet. The wife won't let me change for that reason. And I won't either until something better comes along.


I've just played an LX-708, GP-609 and DP-603 yesterday. Both the PHA-50 and Hybrid Grand actions are absolutely fine, but none of the actions are particularly quiet IMO, especially when compared to the Kawai wooden key or Yamaha actions. Sorry to report that, and this isn't meant to disparage your own choice/purchase. It's just what I feel from firsthand experience.
Posted By: iPractiseEveryday

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by iPractiseEveryday
Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
My Yamaha P-515 has a very quiet keyboard.

Does that mean the CP88 has a quiet keybed too? Heard that they share the same action

Not exactly the same... specs say
P-515: NWX action
CP88: NW-GH action (same as CP4)


So how does the NW-GH action perform? Is it on the heavy side? And how does it compare in terms of quietness with the other contenders?(mp11se, rd2000, nord piano4 etc)
Posted By: peterws

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by Gombessa
I've tried most of the Roland actions. They're not particularly quiet, even by plastic action standards. Ivory feel G, PHA-III, PHA-IV Concert, PHA-IV Standard, PHA-50.... Particularly, they develop a fairly loud key return thump as the top foam strip wears down, and they rattle audibly on glissandos.

Yamaha's GH based actions are probably the next quietest after the Kawai wooden key actions, IMO.


You're wrong. But don't worry about it . . . try the newer ones and see. I've had mine 4 years and it's still quiet. The wife won't let me change for that reason. And I won't either until something better comes along.


I've just played an LX-708, GP-609 and DP-603 yesterday. Both the PHA-50 and Hybrid Grand actions are absolutely fine, but none of the actions are particularly quiet IMO, especially when compared to the Kawai wooden key or Yamaha actions. Sorry to report that, and this isn't meant to disparage your own choice/purchase. It's just what I feel from firsthand experience.


No worries. But I did buy mine mainly because of it's lack of sound compared to that on the FP80 which was so clattery. The later PHA50s aren't bad at all, but the cheaper action is still the quieter, by some margin, my old ears tell me. And this is what the OP wanted to know.
Posted By: Alex C

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 08:35 AM

Try playing with a pair of noise cancelling headphones. I can't live without them anymore.
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Alex C
Try playing with a pair of noise cancelling headphones. I can't live without them anymore.


You should know the way they work isn't benefitting the audio quality.
What is even better is a pair of good isolated headphones or in ears.
For over-ear, the Beyerdynamic DT 880 pro is superior to any noise-canceling headphone there is.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by Alex C
Try playing with a pair of noise cancelling headphones. I can't live without them anymore.


You should know the way they work isn't benefitting the audio quality.
What is even better is a pair of good isolated headphones or in ears.
For over-ear, the Beyerdynamic DT 880 pro is superior to any noise-canceling headphone there is.


I have never joined the noise canceling headphone party because I know it is impossible to produce the perfect canceling wave so therefore those headphones must be introducing artifacts into the ear. The technology was originally developed so that pilots in a noisy airplane could better hear voices over their headphones, not for listening to music.

I use Etymotic ER4SR in ear phones with the big yellow foam tips. Those tips give me 30dB of noise attenuation which makes a huge difference in terms of the noise floor and allows me to use a lower volume. I live in noisy New York City. These ear phones make riding the train much more pleasant. The down side is that they’re so quiet, you’ll get microphonic noise if you move a lot, I don’t wear any headphones on the street, I want to hear any potentially dangerous situations.

On the piano, I use Denon AH-D7200s. They sound great and do a pretty good job of isolating any action noise. They’re a closed back design, which helps.
Posted By: Alex C

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by Alex C
Try playing with a pair of noise cancelling headphones. I can't live without them anymore.


You should know the way they work isn't benefitting the audio quality.
What is even better is a pair of good isolated headphones or in ears.
For over-ear, the Beyerdynamic DT 880 pro is superior to any noise-canceling headphone there is.


There are always better headphones but it's definitely good enough for me. And the great benefit is that they actually do cancel out keyboard and computer noises (and even the noise from heavy construction work in the street) like no other (certainly more than the DT-880 which is a semi-open design and doesn't do a good job blocking ambient noises). And they are probably more comfy to wear too. It's a welcome solution for people like me who are really allergic to keybed noises.
Posted By: Alex C

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK


I have never joined the noise canceling headphone party because I know it is impossible to produce the perfect canceling wave so therefore those headphones must be introducing artifacts into the ear. The technology was originally developed so that pilots in a noisy airplane could better hear voices over their headphones, not for listening to music.



They really sound surprisingly good. What artifacts are you talking about?
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Alex C
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by Alex C
Try playing with a pair of noise cancelling headphones. I can't live without them anymore.


You should know the way they work isn't benefitting the audio quality.
What is even better is a pair of good isolated headphones or in ears.
For over-ear, the Beyerdynamic DT 880 pro is superior to any noise-canceling headphone there is.


There are always better headphones but it's definitely good enough for me. And the great benefit is that they actually do cancel out keyboard and computer noises (and even the noise from heavy construction work in the street) like no other (certainly more than the DT-880 which is a semi-open design and doesn't do a good job blocking ambient noises). And they are probably more comfy to wear too. It's a welcome solution for people like me who are really allergic to keybed noises.


Hmm, I thought it was closed. But you are actually right. It's semi-open. Wheres the difference between that and closed?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by Alex C
There are always better headphones but it's definitely good enough for me. And the great benefit is that they actually do cancel out keyboard and computer noises (and even the noise from heavy construction work in the street) like no other (certainly more than the DT-880 which is a semi-open design and doesn't do a good job blocking ambient noises). And they are probably more comfy to wear too. It's a welcome solution for people like me who are really allergic to keybed noises.


Hmm, I thought it was closed. But you are actually right. It's semi-open. Wheres the difference between that and closed?

See this.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Alex C
Originally Posted by LarryK


I have never joined the noise canceling headphone party because I know it is impossible to produce the perfect canceling wave so therefore those headphones must be introducing artifacts into the ear. The technology was originally developed so that pilots in a noisy airplane could better hear voices over their headphones, not for listening to music.



They really sound surprisingly good. What artifacts are you talking about?


Noise canceling headphones operate by using a microphone to pick up ambient noise and then they generate a negative waveform to cancel that noise. I don’t believe this process can ever work perfectly so they must me injecting audio artifacts into the ear.

I’m not willing to take a chance on exposing my ear to whatever is being generated and have always been happy with passive attenuation and never felt the need for more.

Etymotic claims 35-42dB of noise attenuation here:

https://www.etymotic.com/consumer/earphones/er3-new.html
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by Alex C
There are always better headphones but it's definitely good enough for me. And the great benefit is that they actually do cancel out keyboard and computer noises (and even the noise from heavy construction work in the street) like no other (certainly more than the DT-880 which is a semi-open design and doesn't do a good job blocking ambient noises). And they are probably more comfy to wear too. It's a welcome solution for people like me who are really allergic to keybed noises.


Hmm, I thought it was closed. But you are actually right. It's semi-open. Wheres the difference between that and closed?

See this.


Oh right, looking back at my model I have the DT 770 Pro at work and the DT 990 pro at home.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 02:22 PM

One other point, just because you don’t hear the artifacts does not mean they’re not causing damage.

I knew guys who worked in top secret government labs where they blasted white noise all day so that you could not hear a conversation that was taking place six feet from you. They told me that the first day they worked there, the noise was unbearable. After a couple of days, you don’t hear the noise, the ear becomes fatigued and filters it out. But, you’re still being exposed to the noise.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
One other point, just because you don’t hear the artifacts does not mean they’re not causing damage.

I knew guys who worked in top secret government labs where they blasted white noise all day so that you could not hear a conversation that was taking place six feet from you. They told me that the first day they worked there, the noise was unbearable. After a couple of days, you don’t hear the noise, the ear becomes fatigued and filters it out. But, you’re still being exposed to the noise.

Well in reality, it might have been annoying, but it couldn't have been that loud from the perspective of absolute sound pressure level. OSHA sets legal limits on noise exposure in the workplace such as allowing 8 hours of exposure to 90 dBA but only 2 hours of exposure to 100 dBA sound levels.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
One other point, just because you don’t hear the artifacts does not mean they’re not causing damage.

I knew guys who worked in top secret government labs where they blasted white noise all day so that you could not hear a conversation that was taking place six feet from you. They told me that the first day they worked there, the noise was unbearable. After a couple of days, you don’t hear the noise, the ear becomes fatigued and filters it out. But, you’re still being exposed to the noise.

Well in reality, it might have been annoying, but it couldn't have been that loud from the perspective of absolute sound pressure level. OSHA sets legal limits on noise exposure in the workplace such as allowing 8 hours of exposure to 90 dBA but only 2 hours of exposure to 100 dBA sound levels.


Like I trust OSHA, lol.

The long term effects of exposure to white noise are unknown, and may be harmful.

https://www.sciencealert.com/white-...-tinnitus-hearing-loss-plasticity-neural

I see no need to take the chance. Active noise cancellation did not sound good to me the one time I tried it, and passive means have always been enough.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
One other point, just because you don’t hear the artifacts does not mean they’re not causing damage.

I knew guys who worked in top secret government labs where they blasted white noise all day so that you could not hear a conversation that was taking place six feet from you. They told me that the first day they worked there, the noise was unbearable. After a couple of days, you don’t hear the noise, the ear becomes fatigued and filters it out. But, you’re still being exposed to the noise.

Well in reality, it might have been annoying, but it couldn't have been that loud from the perspective of absolute sound pressure level. OSHA sets legal limits on noise exposure in the workplace such as allowing 8 hours of exposure to 90 dBA but only 2 hours of exposure to 100 dBA sound levels.


Like I trust OSHA, lol.

The long term effects of exposure to white noise are unknown, and may be harmful.

https://www.sciencealert.com/white-...-tinnitus-hearing-loss-plasticity-neural

I see no need to take the chance. Active noise cancellation did not sound good to me the one time I tried it, and passive means have always been enough.

Oh, I wasn't talking about the noise cancellation. I was referring to the white noise in the lab. I was saying that such white noise couldn't actually have been that loud even if annoying because of OSHA workplace regulations.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
One other point, just because you don’t hear the artifacts does not mean they’re not causing damage.

I knew guys who worked in top secret government labs where they blasted white noise all day so that you could not hear a conversation that was taking place six feet from you. They told me that the first day they worked there, the noise was unbearable. After a couple of days, you don’t hear the noise, the ear becomes fatigued and filters it out. But, you’re still being exposed to the noise.

Well in reality, it might have been annoying, but it couldn't have been that loud from the perspective of absolute sound pressure level. OSHA sets legal limits on noise exposure in the workplace such as allowing 8 hours of exposure to 90 dBA but only 2 hours of exposure to 100 dBA sound levels.


Like I trust OSHA, lol.

The long term effects of exposure to white noise are unknown, and may be harmful.

https://www.sciencealert.com/white-...-tinnitus-hearing-loss-plasticity-neural

I see no need to take the chance. Active noise cancellation did not sound good to me the one time I tried it, and passive means have always been enough.

Oh, I wasn't talking about the noise cancellation. I was referring to the white noise in the lab. I was saying that such white noise couldn't actually have been that loud even if annoying because of OSHA workplace regulations.


I know, my point is that the long term effects of working in that environment are unknown. My friends perceived the noise as loud. I don’t know the level of the noise, I never went there. I just wouldn’t expose myself to that noise day after day, year after year, even if it met OSHA requirements.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
I know, my point is that the long term effects of working in that environment are unknown. My friends perceived the noise as loud. I don’t know the level of the noise, I never went there. I just wouldn’t expose myself to that noise day after day, year after year, even if it met OSHA requirements.

Yes, of course. That's why the more modern way of not overhearing top secret conversations in a government facility is to use a SCIF instead. SCIFs can cost less than $100K each and won't tax ones ears the way you described at that lab. SCIFs are the modern-day "cone of silence." Even small private companies undertaking highly classified government work have their own SCIFs these days.
Posted By: MacMacMac

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 04:50 PM

Try this. It's noise-cancelling.
It's a SCIF.
It's ideal !
[Linked Image]
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/23/19 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Try this. It's noise-cancelling.
It's a SCIF.
It's ideal !
[Linked Image]


LOL.

By the way, during the few times I have been in a courtroom and have heard the judge use the cone of silence, I wanted to run for the door.
Posted By: iPractiseEveryday

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/25/19 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
The CP88 feels way heavier in touch than the P-515

Really? I thought the touch on the P515 is quite heavy already.
Posted By: AnthonyPaulO

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/25/19 02:25 AM

Someone was asking about the black key *thunk* on the MP11SE so I posted a video here
Posted By: Cheshire Chris

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/25/19 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by iPractiseEveryday
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
The CP88 feels way heavier in touch than the P-515

Really? I thought the touch on the P515 is quite heavy already.


No, it's definitely on the lighter end of the scale when it comes to DPs with "realistic" keyboard actions. It's much lighter than the CLP-675 or 685, for example.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Finding The Keyboard With Least Mechanical Noise... - 04/25/19 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris

No, it's definitely on the lighter end of the scale when it comes to DPs with "realistic" keyboard actions. It's much lighter than the CLP-675 or 685, for example.

Well, TBF the GrandTouch action is generally regarded to be *unnaturally* heavy. So nearly everything is on the lighter end in comparison!
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